Right-Wing Discussion Thread

[Morr]

All these contributions were made by individuals who wouldn't exist without society.

What caused them to engage in this society in the first place? It was either personal choice or brute force. The former we should respect and honor, the latter should be condemned.

Society wasn't something spontaneous, it was a gradual, and it was built on obligation. You can condemn obligation all you want, but you wouldn't be where you are without it.

[Morr]

Resentment toward duty is the surest mark of the liberal.

I'm not a Liberal. I have a duty to God to live a moral life.

I wager you are a neoliberal.

[The Republic of American Freedom]

I'm not a Liberal. I have a duty to God to live a moral life.

I wager you are a neoliberal.

I support Neoliberal economic policies.

[Morr]

I wager you are a neoliberal.

I support Neoliberal economic policies.

So you are a liberal.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-milb ... 04638.html

[Northern Davincia]

What caused them to engage in this society in the first place? It was either personal choice or brute force. The former we should respect and honor, the latter should be condemned.

Society wasn't something spontaneous, it was a gradual, and it was built on obligation. You can condemn obligation all you want, but you wouldn't be where you are without it.

That obligation started because our ancestors made a choice. It was either anarchy or civilization, chaos or safety.
Those who chose anarchy were left to their fate, but their children were given no such choice.
I am not condemning obligation, I am condemning the use of force to bind an unwilling society.

[Morr]

Society wasn't something spontaneous, it was a gradual, and it was built on obligation. You can condemn obligation all you want, but you wouldn't be where you are without it.

That obligation started because our ancestors made a choice. It was either anarchy or civilization, chaos or safety.
Those who chose anarchy were left to their fate, but their children were given no such choice.
I am not condemning obligation, I am condemning the use of force to bind an unwilling society.

You think familial and tribal obligations were consciously chosen into existence?

[Geilinor]

I support Neoliberal economic policies.

So you are a liberal.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-milb ... 04638.html

The two liberalisms were always in tacit, secret alliance.

Come on, that article is ridiculous and you know it. There's no secret alliance, social liberalism and neoliberalism sometimes come together but not always.

[The Republic of American Freedom]

I support Neoliberal economic policies.

So you are a liberal.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-milb ... 04638.html

I'm a Libertarian. I've studied Milton Friedman and Frederick Hayek. I'm also a Social Conservative.

[The Union of the West]

So you are a liberal.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-milb ... 04638.html

I'm a Libertarian. I've studied Milton Friedman and Frederick Hayek. I'm also a Social Conservative.

Libertarianism and Social Conservatism are mutually exclusive.

[The Republic of American Freedom]

So you are a liberal.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-milb ... 04638.html

The two liberalisms were always in tacit, secret alliance.

Come on, that article is ridiculous and you know it. There's no secret alliance, social liberalism and neoliberalism sometimes come together but not always.

Not to mention Liberal darling Hugo Chavez frequently condemned “Neoliberal policies" for ruining Venezuela's economy and then proceeded to ruin Venezuela's economy with his very own brand of communism, Chavismo.

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[The Republic of American Freedom]

I'm a Libertarian. I've studied Milton Friedman and Frederick Hayek. I'm also a Social Conservative.

Libertarianism and Social Conservatism are mutually exclusive.

Neolibertarianism and Social Conservatism aren't.

[Morr]

So you are a liberal.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-milb ... 04638.html

The two liberalisms were always in tacit, secret alliance.

Come on, that article is ridiculous and you know it. There's no secret alliance, social liberalism and neoliberalism sometimes come together but not always.

They're coming together all the time in both the Labour Party and the Tory Party, that is the whole reason Blue Labour came about. They mutually reinforce each other because neoliberalism wants everything to fall under the market sphere.

[The Union of the West]

Libertarianism and Social Conservatism are mutually exclusive.

Neolibertarianism and Social Conservatism aren't.

Neolibertarianism is literally just libertarianism with a neoconservative position on foreign policy. That has nothing to do with social conservatism.

EDIT: When it comes to social issues, neolibertarians still adhere to the Non-Aggression Principle, which is wholly incompatible with social conservatism.

[Morr]

So you are a liberal.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-milb ... 04638.html

I'm a Libertarian. I've studied Milton Friedman and Frederick Hayek. I'm also a Social Conservative.

I don't think you even know what "libertarian" means. It means someone who is both economically and socially very liberal.

[Morr]

Not to mention Liberal darling Hugo Chavez frequently condemned “Neoliberal policies" for ruining Venezuela's economy and then proceeded to ruin Venezuela's economy with his very own brand of communism, Chavismo.

Huge Chavez was a leftist populist, not a liberal.

[The Union of the West]

Come on, that article is ridiculous and you know it. There's no secret alliance, social liberalism and neoliberalism sometimes come together but not always.

Not to mention Liberal darling Hugo Chavez frequently condemned “Neoliberal policies" for ruining Venezuela's economy and then proceeded to ruin Venezuela's economy with his very own brand of communism, Chavismo.

> Liberal
> Communism

wat...

[Northern Davincia]

I'm a Libertarian. I've studied Milton Friedman and Frederick Hayek. I'm also a Social Conservative.

I don't think you even know what "libertarian" means. It means someone who is both economically and socially very liberal.

Not in the United States, it doesn't. Over here it means fiscally conservative and socially liberal.

[The Union of the West]

I don't think you even know what "libertarian" means. It means someone who is both economically and socially very liberal.

Not in the United States, it doesn't. Over here it means fiscally conservative and socially liberal.

Economic liberalism and fiscal conservatism are very similar. I think you're confusing economic liberalism with fiscal liberalism.

[Morr]

I don't think you even know what "libertarian" means. It means someone who is both economically and socially very liberal.

Not in the United States, it doesn't. Over here it means fiscally conservative and socially liberal.

I don't think you know what economic liberalism is.

[Morr]

Not in the United States, it doesn't. Over here it means fiscally conservative and socially liberal.

Economic liberalism and fiscal conservatism are very similar. I think you're confusing economic liberalism with fiscal liberalism.

He's conflating economic liberalism with social liberalism.

Social liberalism is a political ideology that seeks to find a balance between individual liberty and social justice. Like classical liberalism, social liberalism endorses a market economy and the expansion of civil and political rights and liberties, but differs in that it believes the legitimate role of the government includes addressing economic and social issues such as poverty, health care, and education.[1][2][3]

[Morr]

Not in the United States, it doesn't. Over here it means fiscally conservative and socially liberal.

Economic liberalism and fiscal conservatism are very similar. I think you're confusing economic liberalism with fiscal liberalism.

And no, by the way, they aren't. Economic liberalism has strictly to do with market regulations, which fiscal conservatism has nothing to do with.

[The Union of the West]

Economic liberalism and fiscal conservatism are very similar. I think you're confusing economic liberalism with fiscal liberalism.

And no, by the way, they aren't. Economic liberalism has strictly to do with market regulations, which fiscal conservatism has nothing to do with.

"Free trade, deregulation of the economy, lower taxes, and other conservative policies are also often, but not necessarily, associated with fiscal conservatism."

- Wikipedia

[Morr]

And no, by the way, they aren't. Economic liberalism has strictly to do with market regulations, which fiscal conservatism has nothing to do with.

"Free trade, deregulation of the economy, lower taxes, and other conservative policies are also often, but not necessarily, associated with fiscal conservatism."

- Wikipedia

Associated with, yes. Especially in the 20th Century. That doesn't mean it's similar per se. Social conservatism is also associated with fiscal conservatism.

[The Union of the West]

"Free trade, deregulation of the economy, lower taxes, and other conservative policies are also often, but not necessarily, associated with fiscal conservatism."

- Wikipedia

Associated with, yes. Especially in the 20th Century. That doesn't mean it's similar per se. Social conservatism is also associated with fiscal conservatism.

I suppose that's true.