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Edmund Burke
63
15%
William F. Buckley
39
9%
Dostoevsky
34
8%
Evola
41
10%
De Maistre
15
4%
Disraeli
39
9%
Other
187
45%
 
Total votes : 418

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Northern Davincia
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Postby Northern Davincia » Wed Dec 23, 2015 1:35 pm

Kedri wrote:I am a social conservative but I agree with Rockerfeller Republicans on just about everything except social issues.

Alas, another of my kind!
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Postby Lordareon » Wed Dec 23, 2015 1:38 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Kedri wrote:I am a social conservative but I agree with Rockerfeller Republicans on just about everything except social issues.

Alas, another of my kind!


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Zottistan
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Postby Zottistan » Wed Dec 23, 2015 1:53 pm

I guess I could be said to have some neo-conservative leanings.
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Postby Atelia » Wed Dec 23, 2015 3:10 pm

The Kingdom of Glitter wrote:It is funny really, generally speaking I lean center-right with an emphasis on the center. However, the right generally wants absolutely nothing to do with me considering I'm homosexual. That and I think the government should legalize and tax all recreational drugs, but the homosexual part usually shuts me out before I can even get to that bit.

Well as a traditionalist, Homosexuality is kind of a face for the specter that is the Liberal Weltanschauung (alongside feminism). Legal drugs are also kind of an aspect of the worse possible situation.

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Liberty and Linguistics
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Postby Liberty and Linguistics » Wed Dec 23, 2015 3:48 pm

Zottistan wrote:I guess I could be said to have some neo-conservative leanings.


I'm always skeptical of the term "leanings" in politics. It basically means "I am this, but I don't want to outright proclaim it." Well, that's generally the case, I've seen plenty of exceptions.

For instance, the common neo conservative consensus today is that we should put "boots on the ground" in Iraq and Syria. Would you agree with that?
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Zottistan
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Postby Zottistan » Wed Dec 23, 2015 4:21 pm

Liberty and Linguistics wrote:
Zottistan wrote:I guess I could be said to have some neo-conservative leanings.


I'm always skeptical of the term "leanings" in politics. It basically means "I am this, but I don't want to outright proclaim it." Well, that's generally the case, I've seen plenty of exceptions.

For instance, the common neo conservative consensus today is that we should put "boots on the ground" in Iraq and Syria. Would you agree with that?

Saying "I am this" comes with the implication of agreeing with all or most of the policies associated with those categories. I feel very tied down by strict labels and prefer to operate on an issue by issue basis.

Iraq, no. Syria, yes.
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Shan Yue
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Postby Shan Yue » Wed Dec 23, 2015 4:35 pm

Liberty and Linguistics wrote:
I'm always skeptical of the term "leanings" in politics. It basically means "I am this, but I don't want to outright proclaim it." Well, that's generally the case, I've seen plenty of exceptions.

Welcome to the Wild World of Moderates which is typically twenty percent of the people who actually show up to vote, and a fools gold mine that liberal campaign managers lead their Republican employers into so as to insure base alienation and failure at the polls.
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Postby Geilinor » Wed Dec 23, 2015 4:39 pm

Liberty and Linguistics wrote:
Zottistan wrote:I guess I could be said to have some neo-conservative leanings.


I'm always skeptical of the term "leanings" in politics. It basically means "I am this, but I don't want to outright proclaim it." Well, that's generally the case, I've seen plenty of exceptions.

For instance, the common neo conservative consensus today is that we should put "boots on the ground" in Iraq and Syria. Would you agree with that?

"Leaning" a certain way means that you have sympathies to that side but aren't a member of it. Centrism FTW.
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Duvniask
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Postby Duvniask » Wed Dec 23, 2015 4:51 pm

Zottistan wrote:I guess I could be said to have some neo-conservative leanings.

What prevents you from going full on neo-conservative instead of just having leanings?
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The Hobbesian Metaphysician
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Postby The Hobbesian Metaphysician » Wed Dec 23, 2015 5:54 pm

So I see theocrat in the poll, and so are there any serious theocrats in here, and why exactly?
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Kauthar
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Postby Kauthar » Wed Dec 23, 2015 6:44 pm

The Hobbesian Metaphysician wrote:So I see theocrat in the poll, and so are there any serious theocrats in here, and why exactly?

there's probably a few dominionists, islamic fundamentalists, zionists etc. as 4% of the voters are theocrats after all.

Duvniask wrote:
Zottistan wrote:I guess I could be said to have some neo-conservative leanings.

What prevents you from going full on neo-conservative instead of just having leanings?

no one would take you seriously outside of southern america

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Morr wrote:I don't think you can say you favor gay marriage and then say you obviously favor preserving tradition.

Democrats are economic centrists with progressive tendencies on social issues.

Ugh.



Progressive.

You mean progressing the wrong way.

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Postby Morr » Wed Dec 23, 2015 7:01 pm

Kauthar wrote:progress towards the destruction of western values and culture

Considering libertarianism rejects civic virtue (in fact, rejection of civic virtue is literally the only thing that distinguishes libertarianism from extreme liberalism), a fundamental cornerstone of Western values and culture, I don't think it's your place to complain.
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Postby Morr » Wed Dec 23, 2015 7:02 pm

The Hobbesian Metaphysician wrote:So I see theocrat in the poll, and so are there any serious theocrats in here, and why exactly?

Western Christianity is compatible with theocracy, it would mean rule by the Pope.
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Alyakia
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Postby Alyakia » Wed Dec 23, 2015 7:04 pm

Morr wrote:
The Hobbesian Metaphysician wrote:So I see theocrat in the poll, and so are there any serious theocrats in here, and why exactly?

Western Christianity is compatible with theocracy, it would mean rule by the Pope.


i don't think most people in the anglosphere, especially the ones likely to want a theocracy, are exactly down with the pope
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Postby MERIZoC » Wed Dec 23, 2015 7:09 pm

Kauthar wrote:
Greater Allidron wrote:Ugh.



Progressive.

You mean progressing the wrong way.

progress towards the destruction of western values and culture

Maybe hyperbolist should be an option on the poll.

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Northern Davincia
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Postby Northern Davincia » Wed Dec 23, 2015 7:09 pm

Morr wrote:
Kauthar wrote:progress towards the destruction of western values and culture

Considering libertarianism rejects civic virtue (in fact, rejection of civic virtue is literally the only thing that distinguishes libertarianism from extreme liberalism), a fundamental cornerstone of Western values and culture, I don't think it's your place to complain.

Libertarianism does not reject civic virtue, it simply does not require it. Libertarianism, as it is known in the United States, puts its focus on personal responsibility and independence from big government. Those sound like Western Values™ to me.
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Postby Alyakia » Wed Dec 23, 2015 7:10 pm

can't wait to destroy western values and the traditional family, ha ha ha! -me at the leftist conference last week
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Postby Morr » Wed Dec 23, 2015 7:12 pm

Alyakia wrote:
Morr wrote:Western Christianity is compatible with theocracy, it would mean rule by the Pope.


i don't think most people in the anglosphere, especially the ones likely to want a theocracy, are exactly down with the pope

Well a theocracy of the CoE or the Episcopal Church would be a pretty funny one today, it would probably be more liberal than secular government.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Wed Dec 23, 2015 7:12 pm

Alyakia wrote:can't wait to destroy western values and the traditional family, ha ha ha! -me at the leftist conference last week

You're labeling it wrong! It's not 'western values', it's Western Values™! Only at Walmart/Buy Now!
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Postby Morr » Wed Dec 23, 2015 7:13 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Morr wrote:Considering libertarianism rejects civic virtue (in fact, rejection of civic virtue is literally the only thing that distinguishes libertarianism from extreme liberalism), a fundamental cornerstone of Western values and culture, I don't think it's your place to complain.

Libertarianism does not reject civic virtue, it simply does not require it. Libertarianism, as it is known in the United States, puts its focus on personal responsibility and independence from big government. Those sound like Western Values™ to me.

Making civic virtue something like stamp collecting is effectively rejecting its role in society.
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Postby Morr » Wed Dec 23, 2015 7:13 pm

Alyakia wrote:can't wait to destroy western values and the traditional family, ha ha ha! -me at the leftist conference last week

You don't have to be against traditional values to be a leftist. See Blue Labour.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Wed Dec 23, 2015 7:20 pm

Morr wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Libertarianism does not reject civic virtue, it simply does not require it. Libertarianism, as it is known in the United States, puts its focus on personal responsibility and independence from big government. Those sound like Western Values™ to me.

Making civic virtue something like stamp collecting is effectively rejecting its role in society.

What exactly is civic virtue, in your own words?
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Wed Dec 23, 2015 7:22 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Morr wrote:Making civic virtue something like stamp collecting is effectively rejecting its role in society.

What exactly is civic virtue, in your own words?


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Postby Jumalariik » Wed Dec 23, 2015 7:24 pm

Hurdegaryp wrote:
Diopolis wrote:I'm a supporter of restoring the Hapsburg monarchy, if that's what you mean. As they're not my royals, I do limit my support for them, though.

It is truly amazing what frivolous fads kids go for these days.

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That's funny. lol
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Postby Morr » Wed Dec 23, 2015 7:25 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Morr wrote:Making civic virtue something like stamp collecting is effectively rejecting its role in society.

What exactly is civic virtue, in your own words?

Virtue that identifies with the polis instead of the individual. Aristotlean virtue ethics, instead of Randian.
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