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Ragnarum
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Postby Ragnarum » Wed Dec 16, 2015 4:03 pm

Old Tyrannia wrote:
Ragnarum wrote:This thread man :lol2:

It's like watching a slow motion train crash, isn't it? You can see where it's going from a mile off, but you just... Can't... Look... Away...


Yep. Its almost exquisite.
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Vashtanaraada
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Postby Vashtanaraada » Wed Dec 16, 2015 4:04 pm

Morr wrote:
Vashtanaraada wrote:
That just sounds like you're getting trolled and you're having a bad time handling it now xD

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Postby Val Halla » Wed Dec 16, 2015 4:04 pm

"Traditional values"

Oh boy, I love this reason for justification of bullshit practices like homophobia and sexism
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Postby Hurdegaryp » Wed Dec 16, 2015 4:05 pm

Vashtanaraada wrote:Theocracy isn't necessarily right-wing in theory.

It is something to be avoided like the plague, though.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Wed Dec 16, 2015 4:05 pm

Old Tyrannia wrote:
Ragnarum wrote:This thread man :lol2:

It's like watching a slow motion train crash, isn't it? You can see where it's going from a mile off, but you just... Can't... Look... Away...


You nailed it o/
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Postby Diopolis » Wed Dec 16, 2015 4:05 pm

Hillary Clinton 2016-2024 wrote:
Diopolis wrote:Hillary is at least as bought out as any republican, and considerably more bought out than some.

Because clearly candidates who support anything that benefits corporations aren't bought and candidates who support things that Hold corporations accountable are bought.
Reasoning and Logic are the things conservatives lack.

Oh please. The only candidate that can remotely be said to want to hold corporations accountable is Bernie.
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Hillary Clinton 2016-2024
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Postby Hillary Clinton 2016-2024 » Wed Dec 16, 2015 4:07 pm

Diopolis wrote:
Hillary Clinton 2016-2024 wrote:Because clearly candidates who support anything that benefits corporations aren't bought and candidates who support things that Hold corporations accountable are bought.
Reasoning and Logic are the things conservatives lack.

Oh please. The only candidate that can remotely be said to want to hold corporations accountable is Bernie.

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Arlenton
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Postby Arlenton » Wed Dec 16, 2015 4:07 pm

Diopolis wrote:
Hillary Clinton 2016-2024 wrote:Because clearly candidates who support anything that benefits corporations aren't bought and candidates who support things that Hold corporations accountable are bought.
Reasoning and Logic are the things conservatives lack.

Oh please. The only candidate that can remotely be said to want to hold corporations accountable is Bernie.

Which is another reason Clinton will beat him.

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Jochistan
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Postby Jochistan » Wed Dec 16, 2015 4:08 pm

Val Halla wrote:"Traditional values"

Oh boy, I love this reason for justification of bullshit practices like homophobia and sexism

Traditional values are important to be upheld for the preservation of the culture at hand, I agree that harmful ones should be abandoned, but traditional morality is very important to be held to a certain extent.

I agree, the anti Homosexual and sexist notions are harmful (to traditional values as well as modern ones).
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Internet Freedom Republic
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Postby Internet Freedom Republic » Wed Dec 16, 2015 4:08 pm

Holy Jakelandion Empire wrote:
Kraylandia wrote:
So what's your opinion then, take it you're against both too?


Yes, Obama lit the White House immediately after same-sex marriage was legalized with rainbow colors, but when there was a mass shooting of marines and a sailor by Muslims, he didn't light the White House Red, white, and blue. It's ridiculous and I hate it when people think they are 'cute'. Bruce Jenner is still a man, just with parts removed and some sewn on.

What you're saying is 100% insane.

Military personnel of many, many countries are killed all the time all over the world. I'm not saying shootings and soldiers dying isn't tragic, because it is. I'm not downplaying the incident. What I am saying is that if Obama lit the white house for every damn death of a soldier, sailor, pilot, or Marine, the US would run out of electricity.

Also, I don't know where people calling gay people cute came from. It's completely irrelevant.

Ditto for the part about Jenner.

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Val Halla
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Postby Val Halla » Wed Dec 16, 2015 4:10 pm

Jochistan wrote:
Val Halla wrote:"Traditional values"

Oh boy, I love this reason for justification of bullshit practices like homophobia and sexism

Traditional values are important to be upheld for the preservation of the culture at hand, I agree that harmful ones should be abandoned, but traditional morality is very important to be held to a certain extent.

I agree, the anti Homosexual and sexist notions are harmful (to traditional values as well as modern ones).

I seldom see traditional values used to protect culture. And I don't think that the right wing does care too much about cultural preservation
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Postby Internet Freedom Republic » Wed Dec 16, 2015 4:11 pm

Morr wrote:
Vashtanaraada wrote:
That just sounds like you're getting trolled and you're having a bad time handling it now xD

Image

I think you wasted your time typing out your signature.

EDIT: Never mind, it's obviously just an attempt to pull the wool over our eyes.
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Agritum
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Postby Agritum » Wed Dec 16, 2015 4:12 pm

Kinda saddened to see how most of the right wing here devolved from cheeky, well-spoken capitalists and elegant tweed-jacketed distributist monarchists into the banal, /pol/ack form of near-fascist that we're too much accustomed with nowadays.

Signed, a nostalgic leftie.

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Hillary Clinton 2016-2024
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Hillary Clinton 2016-2024 » Wed Dec 16, 2015 4:12 pm

Jochistan wrote:
Val Halla wrote:"Traditional values"

Oh boy, I love this reason for justification of bullshit practices like homophobia and sexism

Traditional values are important to be upheld for the preservation of the culture at hand, I agree that harmful ones should be abandoned, but traditional morality is very important to be held to a certain extent.

I agree, the anti Homosexual and sexist notions are harmful (to traditional values as well as modern ones).

Slavery and forced conversion were both once cherished traditional values,traditional values is code name for discriminatory practices.
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Jumalariik
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Founded: Sep 14, 2013
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Postby Jumalariik » Wed Dec 16, 2015 4:14 pm

I don't know if I'm actually right wing or not. In terms of economic policy, I am a socialist, far left. In terms of national issues/social opinions, I am hard right, but not far right. All people deserve rights, but diversity of peoples is a good thing and separate nations is good.
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So I don't know if I'm right wing or not. :p
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Old Tyrannia
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Postby Old Tyrannia » Wed Dec 16, 2015 4:17 pm

Agritum wrote:Kinda saddened to see how most of the right wing here devolved from cheeky, well-spoken capitalists and elegant tweed-jacketed distributist monarchists into the banal, /pol/ack form of near-fascist that we're too much accustomed with nowadays.

Signed, a nostalgic leftie.

The tweed lives on.
Jumalariik wrote:I don't know if I'm actually right wing or not. In terms of economic policy, I am a socialist, far left. In terms of national issues/social opinions, I am hard right, but not far right. All people deserve rights, but diversity of peoples is a good thing and separate nations is good.

Do you believe in egalitarianism or do you accept and support the hierarchical organisation of society?
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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Wed Dec 16, 2015 4:19 pm

Old Tyrannia wrote:
Ragnarum wrote:This thread man :lol2:

It's like watching a slow motion train crash, isn't it? You can see where it's going from a mile off, but you just... Can't... Look... Away...


I expect great amusement from this thread. There's a reason that the sane right-wingers on this site don't generally create or contribute to topics like this: they're like throwing chum in the water to attract sharks.

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Postby Jumalariik » Wed Dec 16, 2015 4:19 pm

Old Tyrannia wrote:
Agritum wrote:Kinda saddened to see how most of the right wing here devolved from cheeky, well-spoken capitalists and elegant tweed-jacketed distributist monarchists into the banal, /pol/ack form of near-fascist that we're too much accustomed with nowadays.

Signed, a nostalgic leftie.

The tweed lives on.
Jumalariik wrote:I don't know if I'm actually right wing or not. In terms of economic policy, I am a socialist, far left. In terms of national issues/social opinions, I am hard right, but not far right. All people deserve rights, but diversity of peoples is a good thing and separate nations is good.

Do you believe in egalitarianism or do you accept and support the hierarchical organisation of society?

Well, I support a society where all people are equal under the law and have equal opportunity within a nation-state that they belong to. This would have economics that support producers and opposes laziness, but again, gives opportunity to all people. The formation of elites would be fundamentally opposed because it is not keeping with a unified nation.

So I sort of believe in both.
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Lyras
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Postby Lyras » Wed Dec 16, 2015 4:19 pm

Hillary Clinton 2016-2024 wrote:
Jochistan wrote:Traditional values are important to be upheld for the preservation of the culture at hand, I agree that harmful ones should be abandoned, but traditional morality is very important to be held to a certain extent.

I agree, the anti Homosexual and sexist notions are harmful (to traditional values as well as modern ones).

Slavery and forced conversion were both once cherished traditional values,traditional values is code name for discriminatory practices.


Now THIS is highly disingenuous.
Traditional values acknowledged that, oddly enough, men and women are not the same, and that this is an aspect of reality. Traditional values (in the west) enshrined the rights of humanity. Traditional values prevented Aztecs from killing 50,000 people to pay homage to their god. Traditional values provided the foundational societal structures that enabled western societies to express so many of the freedoms that some folks seem perpetually inclined to take for granted.

Are they flawless? Of course not. Subject to review? Certainly. But 'oh my feelings, you offend me' is rarely a good rationale for anything, and yet that principle forms law in some parts of the west.
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Agritum
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Postby Agritum » Wed Dec 16, 2015 4:20 pm

Old Tyrannia wrote:
Agritum wrote:Kinda saddened to see how most of the right wing here devolved from cheeky, well-spoken capitalists and elegant tweed-jacketed distributist monarchists into the banal, /pol/ack form of near-fascist that we're too much accustomed with nowadays.

Signed, a nostalgic leftie.

The tweed lives on.
Jumalariik wrote:I don't know if I'm actually right wing or not. In terms of economic policy, I am a socialist, far left. In terms of national issues/social opinions, I am hard right, but not far right. All people deserve rights, but diversity of peoples is a good thing and separate nations is good.

Do you believe in egalitarianism or do you accept and support the hierarchical organisation of society?

I don't think socialism leaves much room for hierarchy, at least theoretically.

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Old Tyrannia
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Postby Old Tyrannia » Wed Dec 16, 2015 4:20 pm

Jumalariik wrote:
Old Tyrannia wrote:The tweed lives on.

Do you believe in egalitarianism or do you accept and support the hierarchical organisation of society?

Well, I support a society where all people are equal under the law and have equal opportunity within a nation-state that they belong to. This would have economics that support producers and opposes laziness, but again, gives opportunity to all people. The formation of elites would be fundamentally opposed because it is not keeping with a unified nation.

So I sort of believe in both.

You sound like a Left-winger to me.
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Ragnarum
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Postby Ragnarum » Wed Dec 16, 2015 4:20 pm

Lyras wrote:
Hillary Clinton 2016-2024 wrote:Slavery and forced conversion were both once cherished traditional values,traditional values is code name for discriminatory practices.


Now THIS is highly disingenuous.
Traditional values acknowledged that, oddly enough, men and women are not the same, and that this is an aspect of reality. Traditional values (in the west) enshrined the rights of humanity. Traditional values prevented Aztecs from killing 50,000 people to pay homage to their god. Traditional values provided the foundational societal structures that enabled western societies to express so many of the freedoms that some folks seem perpetually inclined to take for granted.

Are they flawless? Of course not. Subject to review? Certainly. But 'oh my feelings, you offend me' is rarely a good rationale for anything, and yet that principle forms law in some parts of the west.


S'fucking true, that.

Very true indeed.
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Jumalariik
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Postby Jumalariik » Wed Dec 16, 2015 4:21 pm

Old Tyrannia wrote:
Jumalariik wrote:Well, I support a society where all people are equal under the law and have equal opportunity within a nation-state that they belong to. This would have economics that support producers and opposes laziness, but again, gives opportunity to all people. The formation of elites would be fundamentally opposed because it is not keeping with a unified nation.

So I sort of believe in both.

You sound like a Left-winger to me.

Yeah. I suppose, though left wingers call me a right winger.
I mean again, left wing economically, right wing socially, nationalist and populist.

Lol I would fit in here better than I would on any of the left wing NSG threads. :/
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Postby Jumalariik » Wed Dec 16, 2015 4:22 pm

What do you folks think about Trump?
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Val Halla
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Postby Val Halla » Wed Dec 16, 2015 4:24 pm

Jumalariik wrote:What do you folks think about Trump?

I'm pretty sure that even right wingers don't like Trump. Just racists with otherwise no interest in politics
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