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Postby Aelex » Wed Dec 16, 2015 2:31 pm

New Giliberafta wrote:May the people who support this man tell me what about the story is so convincing?

His money.
Mainly.

A rich man can never do wrong. Especially if he is ready to share some of his wealth... :p
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Postby DrWinner » Wed Dec 16, 2015 2:34 pm

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Kar-Esseria wrote:What the fuck? Is the OP satirical? If not, they have a really twisted interpretation of "innocent". It's a crock, every bit of it is a complete crock, how can you even read that article and say "He's clearly innocent"? The fuck is wrong with you people?


Okay so apparently the OP was actually sarcastic and I only read the first sentence of their opinion, leading to this.

My bad.

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Yes, this is obviously meant to be a sarcastic take on the insanity of the case. Please, calm down.


I doubt that.


Contradicting oneself now, are we Kar-Esseria?

1. You said you read it and saw how it was obviously sarcastic satire.

2. You turned around, read my post acknowledging that this whole thing is sarcasm and returned the opposite response.

Contradiction spotted.
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Postby Kar-Esseria » Wed Dec 16, 2015 2:34 pm

Storeholmen wrote:It is very difficult to actually know what happened. Every rape case is essentially words against words. No matter how much physical evidence exists, one can (usually) never be certain that a party is telling the truth regarding his or her intentions.

Relying on news reports is very bad. They might give good insight, but in a case like this, there is probably going to be some bias, whether the news outlet takes the view in support of feminist movements, or just the view that rape trials have evolved to a point where there is an unfair advantage for the accused. Likely, there is also much information that is omitted by the news outlet for the sake of simplicity, sensationalism or due to a sheer lack of understanding.

The stories given by the individuals involved are said in a certain context, which can be hard to translate and include when summarizing thousands of words into a single sentence or two.

I just wanted to say that one should always be wary when playing lawyer online without actually knowing all the facts of the case at hand, especially when provided by commercial news outlets.

If you have access to a law database, or if the case digests are published online, I suggest looking up the statements made by the judges. Usually, they give a much more balanced, comprehensive and unbiased consideration of the facts.


No, I think it's pretty plainly clear that he's guilty.

What more do you want? Video evidence?
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Postby Kar-Esseria » Wed Dec 16, 2015 2:35 pm

DrWinner wrote:
Kar-Esseria wrote:
Okay so apparently the OP was actually sarcastic and I only read the first sentence of their opinion, leading to this.

My bad.



I doubt that.


Contradicting oneself now, are we Kar-Esseria?

1. You said you read it and saw how it was obviously sarcastic satire.

2. You turned around, read my post acknowledging that this whole thing is sarcasm and returned the opposite response.

Contradiction spotted.


No, not a contradiction. I was talking about the OP and the user quoted respectively.
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Postby The Wolven League » Wed Dec 16, 2015 2:38 pm

OP, are you being sarcastic? Because this seriously sounds like he raped her...
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Postby Mefpan » Wed Dec 16, 2015 2:40 pm

The Wolven League wrote:OP, are you being sarcastic? Because this seriously sounds like he raped her...

Read the post to the end before descending into righteous fury; our poor OP couldn't keep up the charade until the end and cracked.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Dec 16, 2015 2:40 pm

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Postby Aelex » Wed Dec 16, 2015 2:41 pm

The Wolven League wrote:OP, are you being sarcastic? Because this seriously sounds like he raped her...

Naaaaaaa... This poor man was just very, very, VERY unlucky. Thankfully, the court heard his very persuasive arguments and can't do anything but to see how innocent he is.
I mean, it's SO obvious he did nothing wrong and that everything is a plot from the girl to steal his money!
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Postby The Confederacy of Nationalism » Wed Dec 16, 2015 2:41 pm

well I'm guessing that there are some details of the case that were left out
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Postby The Wolven League » Wed Dec 16, 2015 2:41 pm

Mefpan wrote:
The Wolven League wrote:OP, are you being sarcastic? Because this seriously sounds like he raped her...

Read the post to the end before descending into righteous fury; our poor OP couldn't keep up the charade until the end and cracked.

I did read it to the end, but I found the last line sort of... jumbled.
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Postby Alyakia » Wed Dec 16, 2015 2:44 pm

The Wolven League wrote:
Mefpan wrote:Read the post to the end before descending into righteous fury; our poor OP couldn't keep up the charade until the end and cracked.

I did read it to the end, but I found the last line sort of... jumbled.


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Postby The Wolven League » Wed Dec 16, 2015 2:45 pm

Alyakia wrote:
The Wolven League wrote:I did read it to the end, but I found the last line sort of... jumbled.


i had a mental breakdown, destroying my ability to use proper grammar and construct coherent sentences forever. this it. this is the future, forever.

Oh, don't overreact. It's hardly a unique case. There's never been a nation with law courts entirely free from corruption.
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Postby Zaldakki » Wed Dec 16, 2015 2:51 pm

in his Maida Vale flat

Isn't a "flat" British English for an apartment? Why do y'all keep saying he's rich?
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Postby The Wolven League » Wed Dec 16, 2015 2:51 pm

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in his M'aidait Vale flat

Isn't a "flat" British English for an apartment? Why do y'all keep saying he's rich?

Did you not see the "millionaire" description of him in the article?
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Postby Zaldakki » Wed Dec 16, 2015 2:53 pm

The Wolven League wrote:
Zaldakki wrote:Isn't a "flat" British English for an apartment? Why do y'all keep saying he's rich?

Did you not see the "millionaire" description of him in the article?

Somehow I missed that :meh:
But why would a millionaire be living in a flat?

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Postby Mefpan » Wed Dec 16, 2015 2:54 pm

Zaldakki wrote:
in his Maida Vale flat

Isn't a "flat" British English for an apartment? Why do y'all keep saying he's rich?

A flat can be a dingy two-room apartment, but there's nothing preventing a flat from being a whole penthouse floor with diamond encrusted toilet seats in all of the fifty-two bathrooms. Hyperbole, of course, but just because something is an apartment it's not automatically cheap and lower-class.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Dec 16, 2015 2:56 pm

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The Wolven League wrote:I did read it to the end, but I found the last line sort of... jumbled.


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Postby Old Tyrannia » Wed Dec 16, 2015 3:07 pm

Yeah, and I didn't kill that man. He ran into my knife. Twice. Backwards. Honestly, officer, I'm innocent!
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The Wolven League wrote:Did you not see the "millionaire" description of him in the article?

Somehow I missed that :meh:
But why would a millionaire be living in a flat?

If this happened in London, I would not be surprised in the slightest if he was a millionaire and still lived in a flat. Property prices in London are insane. It was probably still a nice flat, though.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Dec 16, 2015 3:12 pm

Old Tyrannia wrote:Yeah, and I didn't kill that man. He ran into my knife. Twice. Backwards. Honestly, officer, I'm innocent!

And I just happened to have semen on my hands because...oh, you weren't asking about that.

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Postby Pope Joan » Wed Dec 16, 2015 3:14 pm

I have represented clients in cases where everybody was drunk and stoned. It is difficult to sort out whatever might amount to informed consent under those circumstances, and difficult to establish how anyone could have any specific rational intent to do anything at all. It's a miasma.

I am sure that date rape is a real thing. But so are situations where no party has enough active grey cells to form any kind of mental state whatsoever.
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Postby Platypus Reborn » Wed Dec 16, 2015 3:16 pm

Damn, he is cruel and dumb as hell. He obviously contradicts himself. It's times like these that make me ashamed of being an American.
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Postby Old Tyrannia » Wed Dec 16, 2015 3:22 pm

Platypus Reborn wrote:Damn, he is cruel and dumb as hell. He obviously contradicts himself. It's times like these that make me ashamed of being an American.

Don't worry. For once it's us Brits being embarassed by the lack of common sense in our justice system.
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Postby Platypus Reborn » Wed Dec 16, 2015 3:23 pm

Old Tyrannia wrote:
Platypus Reborn wrote:Damn, he is cruel and dumb as hell. He obviously contradicts himself. It's times like these that make me ashamed of being an American.

Don't worry. For once it's us Brits being embarassed by the lack of common sense in our justice system.


I thought this was in the US.

Oh, never mind then.

*Pats Tyrannia* Don't worry, your american buddies have to deal with this daily.
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Postby Krazakistan » Wed Dec 16, 2015 3:28 pm

Since this happened in the UK I think that the reason why he was found not-guilty when he so obviously was had to do with his ethnic and religious background. The jury most likely found him innocent in fear of being called Islamophobes or whatever. I would like to think that this is unlikely, but since the whole fiasco with the Muslim rape gang last year I can't help but see it as this way.
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Postby Dejanic » Wed Dec 16, 2015 3:39 pm

LOL when I first read the OP I assumed this story took place in some corrupt rogue Banana state, turns out it happened here in the UK.

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