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Innocent man almost found guilty?

Postby Alyakia » Wed Dec 16, 2015 2:04 pm

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/cr ... 74946.html
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/mi ... er-7018414

A millionaire property developer has been cleared of raping a teenager after claiming he accidently tripped and fell on her.

Ehsan Abdulaziz, 46, was accused of forcing himself on an 18 year-old-girl who had slept on his sofa in his Maida Vale flat after a night out drinking.

The businessman had already had sex with the teenager’s 24-year-old friend, whom he already knew, in the bedroom and said his penis might have been poking out of his underwear when he fell on the teen.

The young woman said she had woken up in the early hours of the morning, with Mr Abdulaziz on top of her, forcing himself inside her.

He claimed he had gone to see if the young woman wanted a t-shirt to sleep in, or a taxi home. But he said she pulled him on top of her and placed his hand between her legs.

His semen and DNA was found inside the young woman, but he said it was possible he had semen on his hands from having sex with the 24-year-old earlier.

In the evidence, Mr Abdulaziz showed how the girl had put her hand behind his head to pull him towards her, which is how he says he fell.

He said: “I’m fragile, I fell down but nothing ever happened, between me and this girl nothing ever happened.”

The jury acquitted him in just 30 minutes of deliberations.

Mail Online also reported that Judge Martin Griffiths had allowed Mr Abdulaziz to give evidence in private.


Personally, I think this is outrageous. This man was a victim of nothing but a mere accident yet was trialed for one of the most heinous crimes on the books. Much like countless of people every day slip and fall in the bathroom, causing them to land directly on top of a suspiciously phallic object which then by mere coincidence becomes lodged in their anal passage, this is guilty of nothing more than trying to help this young woman when he slipped and fell and his penis, which just so happened to bw hanging out of his underwear after a previous sexual encounter, just so happened to end up on a trajectory at the proper angle and degree of erection to become lodged into this young woman's vagina. it may seem suspicious that his sperm ended up on her and inside her, but I can assure you this is just yet another act of mere coincidence resulting from her own actions in trying to seduce him and his at the time sufficiently spermy hands.

I for one am glad this man was spared the cell and find it a damning condemnation of our court system. Luckily, he was spared further embarrassment by being allowed to give some of his evidence in private.

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Postby Senkaku » Wed Dec 16, 2015 2:08 pm

He's actually using the excuse of "I just tripped and fell and happened to land in her vagina"?
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Postby Russo-Byzantine Empire » Wed Dec 16, 2015 2:11 pm

He doesn't have to prove his innocence. There is no proof he raped her, evidentially. If there is I stand corrected.
Edit: I stand corrected. Still, the article doesn't tell us the arguments of the Prosecution.
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Postby Zaldakki » Wed Dec 16, 2015 2:11 pm

Suspicious :eyebrow:

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Postby Napkiraly » Wed Dec 16, 2015 2:12 pm

Senkaku wrote:He's actually using the excuse of "I just tripped and fell and happened to land in her vagina"?

He didn't just use it. He got away with using it.

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Postby Dejanic » Wed Dec 16, 2015 2:12 pm

He blatantly raped her.
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Postby New Giliberafta » Wed Dec 16, 2015 2:12 pm

.....

okk... :eyebrow:
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Postby DrWinner » Wed Dec 16, 2015 2:15 pm

If I were on the jury, I would have certainly landed on the GUILTY side. Possibly the rich guy slipped some money their way, to ensure his "innocence." I could see that.
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Postby Kar-Esseria » Wed Dec 16, 2015 2:17 pm

What the fuck? Is the OP satirical? If not, they have a really twisted interpretation of "innocent". It's a crock, every bit of it is a complete crock, how can you even read that article and say "He's clearly innocent"? The fuck is wrong with you people?
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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Wed Dec 16, 2015 2:17 pm

The balls on that guy to actually use that fucking excuse.
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Postby Russo-Byzantine Empire » Wed Dec 16, 2015 2:18 pm

Kar-Esseria wrote:What the fuck? Is the OP satirical? If not, they have a really twisted interpretation of "innocent". It's a crock, every bit of it is a complete crock, how can you even read that article and say "He's clearly innocent"? The fuck is wrong with you people?

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Postby New Giliberafta » Wed Dec 16, 2015 2:18 pm

His semen and DNA was found inside the young woman, but he said it was possible he had semen on his hands from having sex with the 24-year-old earlier.

So his hands found his way inside the young woman?

hmm...
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Postby Herrebrugh » Wed Dec 16, 2015 2:19 pm

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Postby Qanchia » Wed Dec 16, 2015 2:21 pm

It seems like a strange verdict, considering the evidence given in the paper.

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Postby Kraylandia » Wed Dec 16, 2015 2:21 pm

He totally didn't rape her. :roll:
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Wed Dec 16, 2015 2:22 pm

I'll give him benefit of the doubt but...
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Postby Kar-Esseria » Wed Dec 16, 2015 2:24 pm

Deian salazar wrote:
Kar-Esseria wrote:What the fuck? Is the OP satirical? If not, they have a really twisted interpretation of "innocent". It's a crock, every bit of it is a complete crock, how can you even read that article and say "He's clearly innocent"? The fuck is wrong with you people?

Now now, stop with the flaming.
I don't see it either way.
I won't jump to conclusions, and actually give the man a chance.
Still, I am weirded out by this....


1. I'm not flaming.

2. Maybe you should actually read the article. The guilt on this guy is overwhelming.
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Postby DrWinner » Wed Dec 16, 2015 2:25 pm

Kar-Esseria wrote:
Deian salazar wrote:Now now, stop with the flaming.
I don't see it either way.
I won't jump to conclusions, and actually give the man a chance.
Still, I am weirded out by this....


1. I'm not flaming.

2. Maybe you should actually read the article. The guilt on this guy is overwhelming.


Yes, this is obviously meant to be a sarcastic take on the insanity of the case. Please, calm down.
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Postby Meryuma » Wed Dec 16, 2015 2:27 pm

Using that defense is evidence of his guilt on its own.
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Postby Kar-Esseria » Wed Dec 16, 2015 2:28 pm

Kar-Esseria wrote:What the fuck? Is the OP satirical? If not, they have a really twisted interpretation of "innocent". It's a crock, every bit of it is a complete crock, how can you even read that article and say "He's clearly innocent"? The fuck is wrong with you people?


Okay so apparently the OP was actually sarcastic and I only read the first sentence of their opinion, leading to this.

My bad.

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Kar-Esseria wrote:
1. I'm not flaming.

2. Maybe you should actually read the article. The guilt on this guy is overwhelming.


Yes, this is obviously meant to be a sarcastic take on the insanity of the case. Please, calm down.


I doubt that.
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Postby New Giliberafta » Wed Dec 16, 2015 2:28 pm

May the people who support this man tell me what about the story is so convincing?
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Postby Storeholmen » Wed Dec 16, 2015 2:29 pm

It is very difficult to actually know what happened. Every rape case is essentially words against words. No matter how much physical evidence exists, one can (usually) never be certain that a party is telling the truth regarding his or her intentions.

Relying on news reports is very bad. They might give good insight, but in a case like this, there is probably going to be some bias, whether the news outlet takes the view in support of feminist movements, or just the view that rape trials have evolved to a point where there is an unfair advantage for the accused. Likely, there is also much information that is omitted by the news outlet for the sake of simplicity, sensationalism or due to a sheer lack of understanding.

The stories given by the individuals involved are said in a certain context, which can be hard to translate and include when summarizing thousands of words into a single sentence or two.

I just wanted to say that one should always be wary when playing lawyer online without actually knowing all the facts of the case at hand, especially when provided by commercial news outlets.

If you have access to a law database, or if the case digests are published online, I suggest looking up the statements made by the judges. Usually, they give a much more balanced, comprehensive and unbiased consideration of the facts.

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Postby Aelex » Wed Dec 16, 2015 2:30 pm

Hum.
Seems legit. :p
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Postby Mefpan » Wed Dec 16, 2015 2:31 pm

Look, when your contrived and silly explanation sounds so incredibly far-fetched and implausible that you wouldn't even see it in a bloody hentai then you really need to rethink it.

No, seriously. That kind of chain of coincidences aligning seems beyond implausible.
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