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As a Conservative voter, who should be the next president of the United States?

Donald Trump
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24%
Ted Cruz
19
10%
Marco Rubio
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4%
John Kasich
37
19%
I'm not a Republican supporter
82
43%
 
Total votes : 192

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Postby Trumpostan » Thu Dec 17, 2015 1:12 am

Northern Davincia wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Which part of the activist base? They have several groups which is part of their problem.

In some ways the RNC probably was happy for the tragedy to happen (not saying they are dancing about dead) as it gave they the fear option to talk about rather then ideas for the economy and the future.

Repubs at the moment don't have any "real" plans which is a shame. It will still be the concept of negotation where they have a list and the demos are supposed to agree with all of it.

Not much will be done in the next 4 years. Well that is unless one actually wins. I see many many foreclosures after they tank the economy again.

Why exactly is the economy bound to implode in the next Republican presidency?


Tax cuts for the rich and deregulation destroyed it on the GOP watch last time, no reason to assume it will be different next time. The GOP needs to realize that tax cuts =/= economic growth.

In the long run only population growth drives economic growth. And with present proposed GOP deportation plans and immigration bans the economy is screwed. Plus, handing tons of cash to the rich leads to the rich hoarding it, not spending. The GOP needs to cut loose from the idiotic policy proposals of ALEC and AFP (Koch sociopath organization).
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Postby Alien Space Bats » Thu Dec 17, 2015 2:46 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
Merizoc wrote:"I think we were using the wrong algorithms"

Care to explain? Nah.


Oh but that would have been an excellent follow up!

"Which algorithms should we have used?"

The blank look would have made it worth it.

Then there would be the "gotcha" complaints.....

"The right ones, of course."

Smugly hubristic stupidity knows no bounds.
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Postby Alien Space Bats » Thu Dec 17, 2015 2:48 am

Kraylandia wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:Trump, you are only going to create a safer net, you still have the problem of the darknet.


He probably doesn't know what that is.

I like how he clearly had no idea what the nuclear Triad was.

"The Triad? I'd send the FBI in to arrest them. Those Chinese can't be trusted!"
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Postby Saiwania » Thu Dec 17, 2015 2:57 am

Alien Space Bats wrote:I like how he clearly had no idea what the nuclear Triad was.
"The Triad? I'd send the FBI in to arrest them. Those Chinese can't be trusted!"


I'm disappointed as well, even I'll have to admit that something wasn't right. Usually a president will have a team of people to do things for them anyways, so the president doesn't necessarily have to know if they can be told later, but it isn't a good sign. The next person down I could support is Ted Cruz. What if Trump were to become a VP candidate? I reckon he could bring out the base while not having to do anything major on the campaign trail.
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Postby Alien Space Bats » Thu Dec 17, 2015 3:06 am

Zeinbrad wrote:
The Ben Boys wrote:Rubio is so stupid. The B-52s are considered the finest bombers in history. We have tried to replace them at least three times... and they still can't beat it.

And the Ohio class? There are more Ohios in service than all of the rest of the worlds SSBNs combined. Plus, a replacement project is scheduled to start construction in 2021. Stop.

Two legs of your "triad" are gone. Wait while I dismantle the last.

I feel these people don't know how the military works.

Sure they do. It's all point-and-shoot: You point, they shoot.

Remember, this is the GOP. Only simple solutions are imaginable, and truthiness guides everything. Facts and subtlety are for wusses.
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Postby Autumn Wind » Thu Dec 17, 2015 3:55 am

Saiwania wrote:What if Trump were to become a VP candidate? I reckon he could bring out the base while not having to do anything major on the campaign trail.


I don't think Trump is willing to be a VP. It's not in his MO to play second fiddle to anyone. I suspect that if he can't be the center of attention he will take his ball and go home.
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Postby Adab » Thu Dec 17, 2015 3:56 am

Alien Space Bats wrote:
Kraylandia wrote:
He probably doesn't know what that is.

I like how he clearly had no idea what the nuclear Triad was.

"The Triad? I'd send the FBI in to arrest them. Those Chinese can't be trusted!"


Thank God he's just a candidate at this point. If the incumbent president says something like that, the U.S. will be the laughing stock of the world.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Thu Dec 17, 2015 3:57 am

Autumn Wind wrote:
Saiwania wrote:What if Trump were to become a VP candidate? I reckon he could bring out the base while not having to do anything major on the campaign trail.


I don't think Trump is willing to be a VP. It's not in his MO to play second fiddle to anyone. I suspect that if he can't be the center of attention he will take his ball and go home.


Or run as an Independent.

Despite his vowing not to split into an Independent run, I am highly skeptical of it.
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Postby Autumn Wind » Thu Dec 17, 2015 4:03 am

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Autumn Wind wrote:
I don't think Trump is willing to be a VP. It's not in his MO to play second fiddle to anyone. I suspect that if he can't be the center of attention he will take his ball and go home.


Or run as an Independent.

Despite his vowing not to split into an Independent run, I am highly skeptical of it.


I can easily see him accusing the RNC "establishment" of not dealing "in good faith" in order to justify an independent run out of spite if he feels that they "stabbed him in the back" in order to run an "establishment" candidate.
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Postby Khadgar » Thu Dec 17, 2015 6:30 am

Adab wrote:
Alien Space Bats wrote:I like how he clearly had no idea what the nuclear Triad was.

"The Triad? I'd send the FBI in to arrest them. Those Chinese can't be trusted!"


Thank God he's just a candidate at this point. If the incumbent president says something like that, the U.S. will be the laughing stock of the world.


Problem is he's dragging all the other candidates toward the lunatic fringe. Also he's getting international attention for being a fucking buffoon who's leading the pack on the Republican side. If I was a Republican I'd cringe every time Donald opens his stupid gob. He's destroying the Republican party.

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Postby Ashmoria » Thu Dec 17, 2015 6:37 am

Geilinor wrote:Seriously, Donald? How can you be claiming victory after Jeb whupped you? And CNN? Trump "Emerged without a scratch"?
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/jeb-bush-donald-trump-claim-victory-gop-2016-debate-article-1.2467481

its only a scratch if it hurts trump.
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Postby Geilinor » Thu Dec 17, 2015 12:12 pm

Putin praised Trump, calling him a "very bright and talented man". http://www.politico.com/story/2015/12/trump-vladimir-putin-praise-216892
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Postby Romalae » Thu Dec 17, 2015 12:35 pm

Geilinor wrote:Putin praised Trump, calling him a "very bright and talented man". http://www.politico.com/story/2015/12/trump-vladimir-putin-praise-216892

I feel like Christie and some of the other interventionist GOP candidates are going to attempt to use this against Trump. Not that that will make any difference, of course.
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Postby Trumpostan » Thu Dec 17, 2015 12:43 pm

Geilinor wrote:Putin praised Trump, calling him a "very bright and talented man". http://www.politico.com/story/2015/12/trump-vladimir-putin-praise-216892


Not sure if that is real praise or just expressing the hope for another US president who can't stand up to Putin. W loved Putin and looked into his soul and saw a good man... but against Obama all Putin got was sanctions... bet he's hoping for another idiot republican and Trump fits the bill perfectly.
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Postby Atomic Utopia » Thu Dec 17, 2015 12:54 pm

I support trump for a better America... with Hilliary Clinton as president.
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Postby Khadgar » Thu Dec 17, 2015 12:56 pm

Trumpostan wrote:
Geilinor wrote:Putin praised Trump, calling him a "very bright and talented man". http://www.politico.com/story/2015/12/trump-vladimir-putin-praise-216892


Not sure if that is real praise or just expressing the hope for another US president who can't stand up to Putin. W loved Putin and looked into his soul and saw a good man... but against Obama all Putin got was sanctions... bet he's hoping for another idiot republican and Trump fits the bill perfectly.


Republicans seem to love Putin for some reason. I can't really fathom why.

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Postby Geilinor » Thu Dec 17, 2015 12:58 pm

Khadgar wrote:
Trumpostan wrote:
Not sure if that is real praise or just expressing the hope for another US president who can't stand up to Putin. W loved Putin and looked into his soul and saw a good man... but against Obama all Putin got was sanctions... bet he's hoping for another idiot republican and Trump fits the bill perfectly.


Republicans seem to love Putin for some reason. I can't really fathom why.

It honestly isn't very hard to see why. Putin can do what some of them can only dream of.
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Postby Teemant » Thu Dec 17, 2015 1:12 pm

Khadgar wrote:
Trumpostan wrote:
Not sure if that is real praise or just expressing the hope for another US president who can't stand up to Putin. W loved Putin and looked into his soul and saw a good man... but against Obama all Putin got was sanctions... bet he's hoping for another idiot republican and Trump fits the bill perfectly.


Republicans seem to love Putin for some reason. I can't really fathom why.


If you would've listened to debates then you'd know that's not true.
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Postby Romalae » Thu Dec 17, 2015 1:15 pm

Teemant wrote:
Khadgar wrote:
Republicans seem to love Putin for some reason. I can't really fathom why.


If you would've listened to debates then you'd know that's not true.

I think he's talking about some aspects of the Republican base, not the candidates.
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Postby Gauthier » Thu Dec 17, 2015 1:16 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Khadgar wrote:
Republicans seem to love Putin for some reason. I can't really fathom why.

It honestly isn't very hard to see why. Putin can do what some of them can only dream of.


Plus suppressed homoeroticism that gets excited when Putin goes topless.
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Postby Romalae » Thu Dec 17, 2015 1:19 pm


I felt like a nerd for knowing that was wrong instantly when I heard it.
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Postby Collatis » Thu Dec 17, 2015 5:43 pm


That's a Trump/Carson level gaffe, right there.

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Postby Ashmoria » Thu Dec 17, 2015 5:51 pm


which I excuse myself for not realizing when he said it but surely he did homework before the debate whereas *I* only opened a bottle of wine.

so whats up with that?
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