GOP Primary Megathread II—Electoral Boogaloo

[Morr]

Russia is not even interested in having Assad retake all Syria. Just prolonging the war forever.

Don't be absurd, Russia wants to control all of Syria, it's the gateway to the Middle East.

And Sunnis should rule the Sunnis. ISIS rose because Iraq and Syria alienated the Sunnis.

More poised off Sunnis means more problems.

If Saudi Arabia and Turkey get their way, the Army of Conquest will rule the Sunnis.

[Novus America]

Russia is not even interested in having Assad retake all Syria. Just prolonging the war forever.

Don't be absurd, Russia wants to control all of Syria, it's the gateway to the Middle East.

And Sunnis should rule the Sunnis. ISIS rose because Iraq and Syria alienated the Sunnis.

More poised off Sunnis means more problems.

If Saudi Arabia and Turkey get their way, the Army of Conquest will rule the Sunnis.

No, Russia is happy with the Western areas. If they want all of Syria, why are they doing nothing about it? Do you really think the want the war torn deserts in the East? Syria is Russia's foothold in the Mediterranean. All they really care about is holding the coast and there bases there.

Again Russia has done little except piss off the Turkmen. They also lack the will, logistics and strength to occupy the whole country. Do you think the Russians want casualties and high costs?

Their military is not that good anyway.

So let the Jordanians rule the Sunni areas. The Saudis and Turks are good friends with them.

[Morr]

Don't be absurd, Russia wants to control all of Syria, it's the gateway to the Middle East.


If Saudi Arabia and Turkey get their way, the Army of Conquest will rule the Sunnis.

No, Russia is happy with the Western areas. If they want all of Syria, why are they doing nothing about it? Do you really think the want the war torn deserts in the East? Syria is Russia's foothold in the Mediterranean. All they really care about is holding the coast and there bases there.

Again Russia has done little except piss off the Turkmen. They also lack the will, logistics and strength to occupy the whole country. Do you think the Russians want casualties and high costs?

Their military is not that good anyway.

So let the Jordanians rule the Sunni areas. The Saudis and Turks are good friends with them.

Russia wants a stable Syria because they have big plans for the Middle East.

I don't think Balkanizing the country makes sense, I think Assad's secular state is preferable. Should the Christians also get their own state?

[Morr]

No, Russia is happy with the Western areas. If they want all of Syria, why are they doing nothing about it?

I also don't know what you mean by this, since SAA territory has increased significantly in the last two months.

[Farnhamia]

No, Russia is happy with the Western areas. If they want all of Syria, why are they doing nothing about it?

I also don't know what you mean by this, since SAA territory has increased significantly in the last two months.

SAA?

[Morr]

So let the Jordanians rule the Sunni areas. The Saudis and Turks are good friends with them.

Also, having Jordan annex the majority of Syria just isn't likely to go down well with most of the international community.

[Geilinor]

I also don't know what you mean by this, since SAA territory has increased significantly in the last two months.

SAA?

Syrian Arab Army.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_Army

[Farnhamia]

SAA?

Syrian Arab Army.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_Army

The middle A must be silent. Thanks.

[Novus America]

No, Russia is happy with the Western areas. If they want all of Syria, why are they doing nothing about it?

I also don't know what you mean by this, since SAA territory has increased significantly in the last two months.

Only in the West and not much. They have strengthened their position in the West, not tried to retake the East. Look at the map. It is not like they are set to retake the whole country.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_Civil_War

[Morr]

I also don't know what you mean by this, since SAA territory has increased significantly in the last two months.

Only in the West and not much. They have strengthened their position in the West, not tried to retake the East. Look at the map. It is not like they are set to retake the whole country.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_Civil_War

Most of the "ISIS" territory isn't theirs, practically speaking. They don't have a presence there, no one does, really, because the area is not strategically important.

This map is more accurate: http://syria.liveuamap.com/

[Novus America]

No, Russia is happy with the Western areas. If they want all of Syria, why are they doing nothing about it? Do you really think the want the war torn deserts in the East? Syria is Russia's foothold in the Mediterranean. All they really care about is holding the coast and there bases there.

Again Russia has done little except piss off the Turkmen. They also lack the will, logistics and strength to occupy the whole country. Do you think the Russians want casualties and high costs?

Their military is not that good anyway.

So let the Jordanians rule the Sunni areas. The Saudis and Turks are good friends with them.

Russia wants a stable Syria because they have big plans for the Middle East.

I don't think Balkanizing the country makes sense, I think Assad's secular state is preferable. Should the Christians also get their own state?

Russia might want a stable Syria but they know they are not going to get one. And no, Russia is reactionary, try to maintain their last major foothold in the region.

And balkanization works. Sure the Christians should be accommodated as best as possible. But this is getting off topic.

Sad thing is nobody in the GOP or Dems has any real plan. Either bomb more or leave it alone. Neither will fix it.

[Novus America]

Only in the West and not much. They have strengthened their position in the West, not tried to retake the East. Look at the map. It is not like they are set to retake the whole country.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_Civil_War

Most of the "ISIS" territory isn't theirs, practically speaking. They don't have a presence there, no one does, really, because the area is not strategically important.

This map is more accurate: http://syria.liveuamap.com/

That is the point. Nobody cares much about the Eastern desert where ISIS lurks. Eastern Syria is not strategically important to Assad or Russia either. So they are not messing with it besides throwing bombs at it. Maybe should be renamed the "Great International Bombing Range".

Which should make Cruz happy as he can carpet bomb sand. Not sure what it accomplishes though. Good for bomb makers I guess.

[Morr]

Russia might want a stable Syria but they know they are not going to get one.

Yes, they will. They're demolishing Turkey-backed Sunnis in Syria, and the Houthis are demolishing Saudi-backed Sunnis in Yemen. Turkey, meanwhile, is going to try to Balkanize Iraq (which is on the verge of kicking the U.S. out for being spineless, which means Iraq will become a Russian client) and make a puppet Kurd state with Barzani as lord, which will then get involved in a war with Iraq, Hezbollah and the PKK, and will probably lose. If Russia plays its cards right, its camp will gain hegemony over the Middle East.

[Morr]

Most of the "ISIS" territory isn't theirs, practically speaking. They don't have a presence there, no one does, really, because the area is not strategically important.

This map is more accurate: http://syria.liveuamap.com/

That is the point. Nobody cares much about the Eastern desert where ISIS lurks. Eastern Syria is not strategically important to Assad or Russia either. So they are not messing with it besides throwing bombs at it. Maybe should be renamed the "Great International Bombing Range".

Which should make Cruz happy as he can carpet bomb sand. Not sure what it accomplishes though. Good for bomb makers I guess.

There are ton of oil pipelines going through Eastern Syria.

[Novus America]

Russia might want a stable Syria but they know they are not going to get one.

Yes, they will. They're demolishing Turkey-backed Sunnis in Syria, and the Houthis are demolishing Saudi-backed Sunnis in Yemen. Turkey, meanwhile, is going to try to Balkanize Iraq (which is on the verge of kicking the U.S. out for being spineless, which means Iraq will become a Russian client) and make a puppet Kurd state with Barzani as lord, which will then get involved in a war with Iraq, Hezbollah and the PKK, and will probably lose. If Russia plays its cards right, its camp will gain hegemony over the Middle East.

No. Not at all. Yemen is a stalemate. Syria is too for the most part. Sunnis make up 80% of Syria, so there will be no stability. At the current rate when do we see a stable Syria, 3015?! The US already left Iraq. Iraq is already de facto Balkanized. And it is an Iranian client state, not Russian.

You are reading way too much propaganda. The sitution is a mess. No victory is forthcoming for anyone.

[Idzequitch]

The Thick Plottens: Cruz may have released classified info in last night's debate.

[Novus America]

That is the point. Nobody cares much about the Eastern desert where ISIS lurks. Eastern Syria is not strategically important to Assad or Russia either. So they are not messing with it besides throwing bombs at it. Maybe should be renamed the "Great International Bombing Range".

Which should make Cruz happy as he can carpet bomb sand. Not sure what it accomplishes though. Good for bomb makers I guess.

There are ton of oil pipelines going through Eastern Syria.

Source? They mostly run through the south or North of Syria. But again this should probably go in another thread.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

The Thick Plottens: Cruz may have released classified info in last night's debate.

I knew he had fucked up when he began detailing the senate's talks.

[The Black Forrest]

Yes which is why we need bribe, threaten, beg, cajole nearby countries to do the work. Easier said than done but what other option do we have?

Carpet bombing, according to that nice Senator Cruz. Maybe he means we should bomb their carpets. They'll be so upset about this interference with their prayers, they'll be unable to resist the troops who are actually there.

That hypocrite is trying to help the Iranian rug market!

[Anakletos]

For a while, I sort of wanted Trump to get the candidacy in the same way I sort of want random things to explode violently: it'd be fun to watch, but is still a bad idea. But at this point, it's too much of a risk.

Pataki's the only one I would be alright with in the White House, but he doesn't really have a chance in hell, so I've kind of given up on the GOP.

[Novus America]

Carpet bombing, according to that nice Senator Cruz. Maybe he means we should bomb their carpets. They'll be so upset about this interference with their prayers, they'll be unable to resist the troops who are actually there.

That hypocrite is trying to help the Iranian rug market!

See, here is the plan. We bomb the with carpets. Not just any carpets. SEAL trained ISIS hunting flying carpets!

It is sure to work! We just need to find some flying carpets...

[Gauthier]

The Thick Plottens: Cruz may have released classified info in last night's debate.

But it's obviously okay because he's not Hillary Clinton.

[Morr]

There are ton of oil pipelines going through Eastern Syria.

Source? They mostly run through the south or North of Syria. But again this should probably go in another thread.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirkuk%E2 ... s_pipeline

[Morr]

For a while, I sort of wanted Trump to get the candidacy in the same way I sort of want random things to explode violently: it'd be fun to watch, but is still a bad idea. But at this point, it's too much of a risk.

Pataki's the only one I would be alright with in the White House, but he doesn't really have a chance in hell, so I've kind of given up on the GOP.

At least Trump doesn't have any trouble standing up to Saudi Arabia.

[Gauthier]

For a while, I sort of wanted Trump to get the candidacy in the same way I sort of want random things to explode violently: it'd be fun to watch, but is still a bad idea. But at this point, it's too much of a risk.

Pataki's the only one I would be alright with in the White House, but he doesn't really have a chance in hell, so I've kind of given up on the GOP.

At least Trump doesn't have any trouble standing up to Saudi Arabia.

If Trump ever went to Saudi Arabia in an official capacity, the first words out of his mouth to Saudi royalty would be "Durka Durka, Mohammed Jihad!"