GOP Primary Megathread II—Electoral Boogaloo

[Ashmoria]

that is my fear for a sanders nomination--that sanders wont take the money needed to overcome the opposition flood of ads and whatever else it takes money to generate.

I have no fear on that account with Clinton.

I think that's a pretty idle fear. SuperPACs operate independently of candidates. If it's sanders v trump, you can bet a lot of SuperPACs will be formed to support him - whether he likes it or not.

with any luck I wont have to worry about it at all. all ill have to worry about its the inexplicable popularity of Donald trump.

[Arkinesia]

The GOP may want to give up this election - both Trump winning the nomination and the nomination of another candidate at a brokered convention may harm the GOP more than it would help to simply choose to win next election.

We're likely to enter another recession within the next four years, after all, based upon previous business cycles, and the Republicans would do better with a Democratic incumbent during a period of high unemployment and low growth.

This is what I'm hoping for, honestly. But I just don't think the RNC will let it happen.

[Liriena]

It'll be smooth sailing against Hillary Clinton if the election in November can be bought.

It's always nice to see a passionate defender of Western civilization and the "white race" hope that their candidate of choice wins the highest office in a Western democracy, with a majority white population to boot, by corrupting the democratic process like the worst pseudo-democratic governments in many "uncivilized" non-white countries.

[Blakk Metal]

Fascism is big government. So no.

And actually
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/mon ... n-decades/

Fascism is the merger of corporate and government power.

No it's not. You nothing about fascism.

That is not what it would do. Those born of 1 or two US parents would still be citizens, it is just that being born on US soil would not automatically make one a US citizen. At which point anchor babies would not be possible. DREAMERS would still be an issue, but I think it would solve one problem.

Wouldn't repealing the 14th Amendment make the ruling of the U.S. Supreme Court in Dred Scott v. Sandford, 60 U.S. 393 (1857) controlling law again (i.e., persons descended from African ancestors can't be U.S. citizens, don't have recourse to the law, and have no rights whatsoever under the Federal Constitution)?

1. No one will have balls to enforce that.
2. The Supreme Court has rarely cared about stare decisis. They'll make up an excuse for disregarding Dred Scott v. Sandford, 60 U.S. 393 (1857).

[Seangoli]

Donald Trump has the Republican nomination in the bag, there is just no way any candidate can possibly catch up- except maybe Ted Cruz. He is going to reach 600+ delegates soon. It'll be smooth sailing against Hillary Clinton if the election in November can be bought. Just shower the airwaves with enough ads to overwhelm the Clinton campaign and Trump will become US president and hopefully undo 8 years of Obama.

Got in line twice when they were handing out wishful thinking, did you?

Frankly, it's looking like we very well might see a brokered convention for the Republicans. If it comes to that, Trump needs to win out-right in the primaries to gain the nomination. If he doesn't, I find it *very* unlikely that he'll be able to pick up delegates in the second round, and I find it far more likely that his delegates will jump ship to whoever else.

[Rio Cana]

Got in line twice when they were handing out wishful thinking, did you?

Frankly, it's looking like we very well might see a brokered convention for the Republicans. If it comes to that, Trump needs to win out-right in the primaries to gain the nomination. If he doesn't, I find it *very* unlikely that he'll be able to pick up delegates in the second round, and I find it far more likely that his delegates will jump ship to whoever else.

A brokered convention with Trump not getting the nomination equals Trump becoming and independent candidate and thus the Republican party is divided and loses big time.

[Camicon]

Fascism is the merger of corporate and government power.

No it's not. You nothing about fascism.

Trumpostan is partially correct.

Fascism is a totalitarian form of government, and is both monistic and socially penetrative. Fascist governments do attempt to eliminate civil society, which would include state control over strategic resources at a bare minimum, because private industry is a part of civil society. Those industries that aren't directly taken over by the state would be forced to follow orders from the state, or risk being taken over in a similar matter; so long as a privately owned business doesn't interfere with the aims of the government, and helps facilitate their revolutionary aims when asked, then they would probably be left alone.

[Myrensis]

Frankly, it's looking like we very well might see a brokered convention for the Republicans. If it comes to that, Trump needs to win out-right in the primaries to gain the nomination. If he doesn't, I find it *very* unlikely that he'll be able to pick up delegates in the second round, and I find it far more likely that his delegates will jump ship to whoever else.

A brokered convention with Trump not getting the nomination equals Trump becoming and independent candidate and thus the Republican party is divided and loses big time.

Republican leadership doesn't believe that Trump will win regardless. So for them the choice is between losing due to party infighting but putting up a candidate who isn't a complete disaster, or losing the election while letting Donald Trump, on the Republican ticket, spend this entire cycle alienating the hell out of everyone the Republicans are going to want to mend fences with for the next cycle.

Ted Cruz is just a less entertaining, more evil Donald, so same issues from the Party leadership perspective, he'll alienate key groups while throwing the party under the bus any time it suits him.

There are no good options for the GOP coming into the convention, it's a matter of trying to decide on the least awful.

[Diopolis]

Got in line twice when they were handing out wishful thinking, did you?

Frankly, it's looking like we very well might see a brokered convention for the Republicans. If it comes to that, Trump needs to win out-right in the primaries to gain the nomination. If he doesn't, I find it *very* unlikely that he'll be able to pick up delegates in the second round, and I find it far more likely that his delegates will jump ship to whoever else.

That would be true, if there weren't another factor. Republican nomination rules require a candidate to win a certain number of states outright to be on the ballot. The only candidates who have any shot at doing that are Ted Cruz and Donald Trump.

[Eol Sha]

Frankly, it's looking like we very well might see a brokered convention for the Republicans. If it comes to that, Trump needs to win out-right in the primaries to gain the nomination. If he doesn't, I find it *very* unlikely that he'll be able to pick up delegates in the second round, and I find it far more likely that his delegates will jump ship to whoever else.

That would be true, if there weren't another factor. Republican nomination rules require a candidate to win a certain number of states outright to be on the ballot. The only candidates who have any shot at doing that are Ted Cruz and Donald Trump.

TYT was talking about that earlier today. Apparently, if the RNC wanted to, they could toss out the rule tomorrow.

[Farnhamia]

That would be true, if there weren't another factor. Republican nomination rules require a candidate to win a certain number of states outright to be on the ballot. The only candidates who have any shot at doing that are Ted Cruz and Donald Trump.

TYT was talking about that earlier today. Apparently, if the RNC wanted to, they could toss out the rule tomorrow.

That would be a huge way to really piss off Trump's supporters.

"Dear Mr. Priebus ..."

[Eol Sha]

TYT was talking about that earlier today. Apparently, if the RNC wanted to, they could toss out the rule tomorrow.

That would be a huge way to really piss off Trump's supporters.

"Dear Mr. Priebus ..."

Assuming they pay attention to a seemingly minor rules change.

[Farnhamia]

That would be a huge way to really piss off Trump's supporters.

"Dear Mr. Priebus ..."

Assuming they pay attention to a seemingly minor rules change.

They'll pay attention when their guy gets blindsided out of the nomination by that rules change.

[Eol Sha]

Assuming they pay attention to a seemingly minor rules change.

They'll pay attention when their guy gets blindsided out of the nomination by that rules change.

Sure, but by then it'll be too late.

[Geilinor]

Islam hates you too, Donald.

[Blakk Metal]

No it's not. You nothing about fascism.

Trumpostan is partially correct.

Fascism is a totalitarian form of government, and is both monistic and socially penetrative. Fascist governments do attempt to eliminate civil society, which would include state control over strategic resources at a bare minimum, because private industry is a part of civil society. Those industries that aren't directly taken over by the state would be forced to follow orders from the state, or risk being taken over in a similar matter; so long as a privately owned business doesn't interfere with the aims of the government, and helps facilitate their revolutionary aims when asked, then they would probably be left alone.

Trumpostan definition is still wrong, because it can't be used to discriminate fascist countries from nonfascist countries. For example, during WWII, the FDR administration extensively used formal and informal means to steer the US' industrial capacity, owned almost completely by corporations, toward military ends, yet if anyone claimed the FDR administration was fascist Trumpostan would be the first to cry bullshit.

[Novus America]

Donald Trump has the Republican nomination in the bag, there is just no way any candidate can possibly catch up- except maybe Ted Cruz. He is going to reach 600+ delegates soon. It'll be smooth sailing against Hillary Clinton if the election in November can be bought. Just shower the airwaves and internet with enough ads to overwhelm the Clinton campaign and Trump will become US president and hopefully undo 8 years of Obama.

600 delegates is less than half of what is needed to win the nomination... Elections are not simply bought with the most ads...
Trump will fix nothing as he is an corrupt self-serving cony capitalist ingnorwmus with zero principles, policies, or any idea what he would be doing...

[Camicon]

Trumpostan is partially correct.

Fascism is a totalitarian form of government, and is both monistic and socially penetrative. Fascist governments do attempt to eliminate civil society, which would include state control over strategic resources at a bare minimum, because private industry is a part of civil society. Those industries that aren't directly taken over by the state would be forced to follow orders from the state, or risk being taken over in a similar matter; so long as a privately owned business doesn't interfere with the aims of the government, and helps facilitate their revolutionary aims when asked, then they would probably be left alone.

Trumpostan definition is still wrong, because it can't be used to discriminate fascist countries from nonfascist countries. For example, during WWII, the FDR administration extensively used formal and informal means to steer the US' industrial capacity, owned almost completely by corporations, toward military ends, yet if anyone claimed the FDR administration was fascist Trumpostan would be the first to cry bullshit.

Well, yeah. That's why I said he was partially correct. Fascist governments do attempt to exert total control over all aspects of civil society, economy included, either directly or indirectly; that doesn't mean governments who try to control the private sector are fascist.

[Wallenburg]

I'm beginning to think that the Republican establishment might actually support Clinton over Trump. You see, they can depend on Clinton to shift to the right in the general election and after she settles into office. Trump, on the other hand, is a wild card that they cannot control.

[Gauthier]

It'll be smooth sailing against Hillary Clinton if the election in November can be bought.

It's always nice to see a passionate defender of Western civilization and the "white race" hope that their candidate of choice wins the highest office in a Western democracy, with a majority white population to boot, by corrupting the democratic process like the worst pseudo-democratic governments in many "uncivilized" non-white countries.

Naturally this will involve numerous means of fraud and/or intimidation to keep the uppity darkies from voting against the Great White Hope that is Donald Trump.

[Roski]

It'll be smooth sailing against Hillary Clinton if the election in November can be bought.

It's always nice to see a passionate defender of Western civilization and the "white race" hope that their candidate of choice wins the highest office in a Western democracy, with a majority white population to boot, by corrupting the democratic process like the worst pseudo-democratic governments in many "uncivilized" non-white countries.

I think he's more stating a fact than supporting it. Its clear that because Trump can just buy his way into office, Clinton won't be able to keep up.

Which is pathetic, and something that needs to be changed, but hopefully Bernie won't be on his death bed by 2020.

[Washington Resistance Army]

I'm beginning to think that the Republican establishment might actually support Clinton over Trump. You see, they can depend on Clinton to shift to the right in the general election and after she settles into office. Trump, on the other hand, is a wild card that they cannot control.

I can't see that happening under any circumstances really.

[Allanea]

The GOP establishment had ... mysteriously failed to provide the needed support for certain GOP candidates in the past, thus ensuring a Democrat win. It's not impossible.

[Wallenburg]

I'm beginning to think that the Republican establishment might actually support Clinton over Trump. You see, they can depend on Clinton to shift to the right in the general election and after she settles into office. Trump, on the other hand, is a wild card that they cannot control.

I can't see that happening under any circumstances really.

You have plenty of influential Republicans denouncing Trump. It's very possible that their establishment will go anti-Trump.

[Roski]

I can't see that happening under any circumstances really.

You have plenty of influential Republicans denouncing Trump. It's very possible that their establishment will go anti-Trump.

anti-trump is a hell of a long way away from pro-clinton

same bullshit different party, really.