GOP Primary Megathread II—Electoral Boogaloo

[Kelinfort]

Yup. It's funny that he says he will fight Sharia law when he wants exactly that, except in the Christian flavor.

Well, at least Christian flavor tastes better. No burqa aftertaste.

I'd prefer that to coat hanger aftertaste.

[Khadgar]

Well, at least Christian flavor tastes better. No burqa aftertaste.

I'd prefer that to coat hanger aftertaste.

Well after they outlaw abortion there'll be fewer coat hangers. The wire ones having been used already.

[Kelinfort]

I'd prefer that to coat hanger aftertaste.

Well after they outlaw abortion there'll be fewer coat hangers. The wire ones having been used already.

Stairs will go next.

[Alien Space Bats]

That is not what it would do. Those born of 1 or two US parents would still be citizens, it is just that being born on US soil would not automatically make one a US citizen. At which point anchor babies would not be possible. DREAMERS would still be an issue, but I think it would solve one problem.

Wouldn't repealing the 14th Amendment make the ruling of the U.S. Supreme Court in Dred Scott v. Sandford, 60 U.S. 393 (1857) controlling law again (i.e., persons descended from African ancestors can't be U.S. citizens, don't have recourse to the law, and have no rights whatsoever under the Federal Constitution)?

[The Lone Alliance]

Figures Trump would have pulled two wins, Hawaii was a surprise though.

But it's not like people pay attention to Hawaii.

Seeing as the poll has caused more controversy than a love affair between Donald Trump and a beautiful Latina woman would, I might as well give an explanation. I'm more concerned with what Republicans/those who align with the republicans think. Is it really relevant what lefties believe in this poll? We all know who they'll pick, depending on the question. I'd rather they don't vote at all so we can actually see where the conservatives stand on this.

That's stupid.

[Eol Sha]

I'd prefer that to coat hanger aftertaste.

Well after they outlaw abortion there'll be fewer coat hangers. The wire ones having been used already.

Someone should check the lobbying done by the coat hanger industry.

I denounce and reject myself.

[The Kievan People]

I'd prefer that to coat hanger aftertaste.

wow what did babies ever do to you?????

[The United Territories of Providence]

Who on earth would be the better alternative? Rubio is a fantastic second punch for Kasich.

Well the bar was set rather low so just about anybody is a good choice.

Well if he picks Jeb! we can continue the 35 year long, 3 administration unbroken chain of Republican administrations having a Bush in the executive branch.

You know, for the sake of consistency.

[Wallenburg]

That is not what it would do. Those born of 1 or two US parents would still be citizens, it is just that being born on US soil would not automatically make one a US citizen. At which point anchor babies would not be possible. DREAMERS would still be an issue, but I think it would solve one problem.

Wouldn't repealing the 14th Amendment make the ruling of the U.S. Supreme Court in Dred Scott v. Sandford, 60 U.S. 393 (1857) controlling law again (i.e., persons descended from African ancestors can't be U.S. citizens, don't have recourse to the law, and have no rights whatsoever under the Federal Constitution)?

You'd also have to repeal the 13th and 15th Amendments, along with the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

[The United Territories of Providence]

Wouldn't repealing the 14th Amendment make the ruling of the U.S. Supreme Court in Dred Scott v. Sandford, 60 U.S. 393 (1857) controlling law again (i.e., persons descended from African ancestors can't be U.S. citizens, don't have recourse to the law, and have no rights whatsoever under the Federal Constitution)?

You'd also have to repeal the 13th and 15th Amendments, along with the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

Nope.

Here's the text of the 14th

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

You have no 14th, then states can presumably make up any arbitrary standard for citizenship since the definition of citizenship is no longer clearly defined. If your state were to say you aren't a citizen, then what right have you to vote? The 15th amendment and Civil Rights Act protects the rights of citizens. What right have you to constitutional freedoms? You are no longer a citizen.

[Wallenburg]

You'd also have to repeal the 13th and 15th Amendments, along with the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

Nope.

Here's the text of the 14th

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

You have no 14th, then states can presumably make up any arbitrary standard for citizenship since the definition of citizenship is no longer clearly defined. If your state were to say you aren't a citizen, then what right have you to vote? The 15th amendment and Civil Rights Act protects the rights of citizens. What right have you to constitutional freedoms? You are no longer a citizen.

There are many constitutional freedoms that apply to non-citizens. See the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, and 13th Amendments.

[Diopolis]

You'd also have to repeal the 13th and 15th Amendments, along with the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

Nope.

Here's the text of the 14th

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

You have no 14th, then states can presumably make up any arbitrary standard for citizenship since the definition of citizenship is no longer clearly defined. If your state were to say you aren't a citizen, then what right have you to vote? The 15th amendment and Civil Rights Act protects the rights of citizens. What right have you to constitutional freedoms? You are no longer a citizen.

To be considered a citizen, please provide proof of party registration...

[Eol Sha]

TYT is showing b-roll of Trump's speech last night.

This motherfucker is so insecure that it's ridiculous.

[Greed and Death]

That is not what it would do. Those born of 1 or two US parents would still be citizens, it is just that being born on US soil would not automatically make one a US citizen. At which point anchor babies would not be possible. DREAMERS would still be an issue, but I think it would solve one problem.

Wouldn't repealing the 14th Amendment make the ruling of the U.S. Supreme Court in Dred Scott v. Sandford, 60 U.S. 393 (1857) controlling law again (i.e., persons descended from African ancestors can't be U.S. citizens, don't have recourse to the law, and have no rights whatsoever under the Federal Constitution)?

The 15th still gives them the right to vote.

Also most of the originalist view Dread Scott as wrongly decided, caused by the Supreme Court trying to prevent the civil war.

[Geilinor]

Wouldn't repealing the 14th Amendment make the ruling of the U.S. Supreme Court in Dred Scott v. Sandford, 60 U.S. 393 (1857) controlling law again (i.e., persons descended from African ancestors can't be U.S. citizens, don't have recourse to the law, and have no rights whatsoever under the Federal Constitution)?

The 15th still gives them the right to vote.

Also most of the originalist view Dread Scott as wrongly decided, caused by the Supreme Court trying to prevent the civil war.

Then we have a conflict and SCOTUS will have to reargue Dredd Scott.

[Geilinor]

Rubio is starting to sound like Jeb now. http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-gop-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/03/marco-rubio-kids-embarrassed-trump-220520

“This is a guy that’s basically offended everyone for a year,” Rubio said. “That said, yeah, I don’t want to be that. If that’s what it takes to be president of the United States, then I don’t want to be president.”

[Ashmoria]

TYT is showing b-roll of Trump's speech last night.

This motherfucker is so insecure that it's ridiculous.

he is the most unpresidential presidential candidate ever.

he said he was going to revive trump university FROM THE WHITEHOUSE (reading between the lines when he said he was going to restart it as soon as the lawsuit is over).

[Kelinfort]

Wouldn't repealing the 14th Amendment make the ruling of the U.S. Supreme Court in Dred Scott v. Sandford, 60 U.S. 393 (1857) controlling law again (i.e., persons descended from African ancestors can't be U.S. citizens, don't have recourse to the law, and have no rights whatsoever under the Federal Constitution)?

The 15th still gives them the right to vote.

Also most of the originalist view Dread Scott as wrongly decided, caused by the Supreme Court trying to prevent the civil war.

Only most?!

[Saiwania]

Donald Trump has the Republican nomination in the bag, there is just no way any candidate can possibly catch up- except maybe Ted Cruz. He is going to reach 600+ delegates soon. It'll be smooth sailing against Hillary Clinton if the election in November can be bought. Just shower the airwaves and internet with enough ads to overwhelm the Clinton campaign and Trump will become US president and hopefully undo 8 years of Obama.

[Galloism]

Donald Trump has the Republican nomination in the bag, there is just no way any candidate can possibly catch up- except maybe Ted Cruz. He is going to reach 600+ delegates soon. It'll be smooth sailing against Hillary Clinton if the election in November can be bought. Just shower the airwaves with enough ads to overwhelm the Clinton campaign and Trump will become US president and hopefully undo 8 years of Obama.

Got in line twice when they were handing out wishful thinking, did you?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Donald Trump has the Republican nomination in the bag, there is just no way any candidate can possibly catch up- except maybe Ted Cruz. He is going to reach 600+ delegates soon. It'll be smooth sailing against Hillary Clinton if the election in November can be bought. Just shower the airwaves and internet with enough ads to overwhelm the Clinton campaign and Trump will become US president and hopefully undo 8 years of Obama.

In which universe is 458 = ~600?

[Kelinfort]

Donald Trump has the Republican nomination in the bag, there is just no way any candidate can possibly catch up- except maybe Ted Cruz. He is going to reach 600+ delegates soon. It'll be smooth sailing against Hillary Clinton if the election in November can be bought. Just shower the airwaves and internet with enough ads to overwhelm the Clinton campaign and Trump will become US president and hopefully undo 8 years of Obama.

Smooth sailing as his party is literally trying to stop his nomination tooth and nail.

Uh-huh.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Donald Trump has the Republican nomination in the bag, there is just no way any candidate can possibly catch up- except maybe Ted Cruz. He is going to reach 600+ delegates soon. It'll be smooth sailing against Hillary Clinton if the election in November can be bought. Just shower the airwaves and internet with enough ads to overwhelm the Clinton campaign and Trump will become US president and hopefully undo 8 years of Obama.

Smooth sailing as his party is literally trying to stop his nomination tooth and nail.

Uh-huh.

But did he do his math properly? That is a bigger question for the entire thread.

[Ashmoria]

Donald Trump has the Republican nomination in the bag, there is just no way any candidate can possibly catch up- except maybe Ted Cruz. He is going to reach 600+ delegates soon. It'll be smooth sailing against Hillary Clinton if the election in November can be bought. Just shower the airwaves and internet with enough ads to overwhelm the Clinton campaign and Trump will become US president and hopefully undo 8 years of Obama.

that is my fear for a sanders nomination--that sanders wont take the money needed to overcome the opposition flood of ads and whatever else it takes money to generate.

I have no fear on that account with Clinton.

[Galloism]

Donald Trump has the Republican nomination in the bag, there is just no way any candidate can possibly catch up- except maybe Ted Cruz. He is going to reach 600+ delegates soon. It'll be smooth sailing against Hillary Clinton if the election in November can be bought. Just shower the airwaves and internet with enough ads to overwhelm the Clinton campaign and Trump will become US president and hopefully undo 8 years of Obama.

that is my fear for a sanders nomination--that sanders wont take the money needed to overcome the opposition flood of ads and whatever else it takes money to generate.

I have no fear on that account with Clinton.

I think that's a pretty idle fear. SuperPACs operate independently of candidates. If it's sanders v trump, you can bet a lot of SuperPACs will be formed to support him - whether he likes it or not.