The Eternal Thread *nods*

[Hurdegaryp]

I feel like the jihadists would have taken up Afghanistan regardless of if the US intervened or not. The USSR collapsed by 1991 which would have taken the communism out of Afghanistan.

Well, considering the USSR wasn't actually invading Afghanistan. The Mujahideen were islamist rebels, the Afghan government, being Communist at the time, requested USSR assistance in dealing with the Muj. Bin Ladin, who hailed from Saudi Arabia offered the US a deal, the US would covertly train and arm Al Qaeda and the Muj to fight off Russian helicopters, giving them their "own Vietnam". (With the added hope of establishing a US friendly regime to secure oil and a presence in the region)

Russia was defeated, pulled out, with the fall of Afghanistan being a huge blow to the Soviets. The Communist Afghan government collapsed, Taliban took control, and then Al Qaeda and the Taliban wanted to push the West out of their affairs completely. And thus, we have the Middle East conflagration in the making. The region has always been a checker board of allegiances, either to Russia or other US rivals, or to the US. Iraq was a brilliant buffer state between Saudi Arabia and Iran, who have been locked in a Cold War of their own, which is why Saddam was allowed to remain. There wasn't an issue until he invaded Kuwait, and put US Oil imports in jeopardy with fear of an invasion into Saudi oil fields as well. Any notion of a "greater good" is meh.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covert_Un ... ge_actions

And thus history provides an excellent guide to how to make your own enemies.

[The Serbian Empire]

The point to press with them, is that it's not. Plants have sentience, why do you distinguish between them and animals, we all have cell and circulatory systems.

Also, they say plants can't feel pain so it's okay. Help me, comrade Ethel

As a result, to survive as an animal means to inflict pain on other life. One can't live without causing suffering.

[Ethel mermania]

What difference does it make, they feel. How does them not having a cns make it any more moral to inflict suffering?

Without nerves, the plants feel no pain.

Note to self: trying to browse NSG while doing multiplayer tours on Tortimer Island is extremely difficult.

That tortoise has to be Mortimer.

The article I posted argues otherwise.

[Dog Bole]

In the fur.

Fair enough. Haven't seen you around in ages.
I don't suppose you remember me that much do you?

You had a flag rating thread. And weren't mean to me.

[Gallade]

Post the article I posted earlier, and follow the links to the science.

Well, I think I recall reading that that smell you get when you cut grass is akin to an expression of pain from the grass.

Aye, it's a distress signal. And a dastardly counterattack. I propose a no mercy napalm response. This is war, people. Pave paradise.

[The Serbian Empire]

Without nerves, the plants feel no pain.


That tortoise has to be Mortimer.

The article I posted argues otherwise.

Then it means to be a non-plant creature means to cause suffering.

[Lady Scylla]

Well, considering the USSR wasn't actually invading Afghanistan. The Mujahideen were islamist rebels, the Afghan government, being Communist at the time, requested USSR assistance in dealing with the Muj. Bin Ladin, who hailed from Saudi Arabia offered the US a deal, the US would covertly train and arm Al Qaeda and the Muj to fight off Russian helicopters, giving them their "own Vietnam". (With the added hope of establishing a US friendly regime to secure oil and a presence in the region)

Russia was defeated, pulled out, with the fall of Afghanistan being a huge blow to the Soviets. The Communist Afghan government collapsed, Taliban took control, and then Al Qaeda and the Taliban wanted to push the West out of their affairs completely. And thus, we have the Middle East conflagration in the making. The region has always been a checker board of allegiances, either to Russia or other US rivals, or to the US. Iraq was a brilliant buffer state between Saudi Arabia and Iran, who have been locked in a Cold War of their own, which is why Saddam was allowed to remain. There wasn't an issue until he invaded Kuwait, and put US Oil imports in jeopardy with fear of an invasion into Saudi oil fields as well. Any notion of a "greater good" is meh.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covert_Un ... ge_actions

And thus history provides an excellent guide to how to make your own enemies.

Pretty much. Guatemala 1954 is my most often used example of "shady shit". Also, good example of lobbyism and its weight.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Well, I think I recall reading that that smell you get when you cut grass is akin to an expression of pain from the grass.

Aye, it's a distress signal. And a dastardly counterattack. I propose a no mercy napalm response. This is war, people. Pave paradise.

But don't put up a parking lot.

[Lady Scylla]

I think I might go play Elite Dangerous, I have ships to raid and cargo to smuggle!

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

The article I posted argues otherwise.

Then it means to be a non-plant creature means to cause suffering.

Circle of life, yadda yadda. Apex level predators. Strange bed fellows.

[The Serbian Empire]

Well, I think I recall reading that that smell you get when you cut grass is akin to an expression of pain from the grass.

Aye, it's a distress signal. And a dastardly counterattack. I propose a no mercy napalm response. This is war, people. Pave paradise.

Should I open a tree museum and charge people a dollar and a half to see them?

[Eastfield Lodge]

Fair enough. Haven't seen you around in ages.
I don't suppose you remember me that much do you?

You had a flag rating thread. And weren't mean to me.

That's good enough for me.

Wow, those F7 memories...

[Gallade]

Aye, it's a distress signal. And a dastardly counterattack. I propose a no mercy napalm response. This is war, people. Pave paradise.

But don't put up a parking lot.

Day spa and resort, please. I'd love a massage.

[Ethel mermania]

It was a shithole in the 1930's. It was a shithole in the 1960's. It's a shithole now.

I never said it was perfect.

You said "it wasn't to bad off"

William shirer in his biography describes a trip to Afghanistan in the early 1930's. The whole 4 book series is an interesting read, even then, it was not a safe place to be.

[Valyrian Freeholds]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-35167726

SOMALIA JUST PULLED A GRINCH

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

But don't put up a parking lot.

Day spa and resort, please. I'd love a massage.

Keep going, keep going. I like the sound of it.

[Dog Bole]

You had a flag rating thread. And weren't mean to me.

That's good enough for me.

Wow, those F7 memories...

That was a long time ago, in a forum not nearly far enough away.

[The Serbian Empire]

Then it means to be a non-plant creature means to cause suffering.

Circle of life, yadda yadda. Apex level predators. Strange bed fellows.

Technically if dingoes eat human babies, would that make them an apex predator?

[Immoren]

I do remember reading bit where someones convinced that we should genengineer herbivores out of carnivores.

wwwwwhhhhyyyyyyyy

People who try to feed their pet cats and dogs vegan diet are no better.

[The Serbian Empire]

But don't put up a parking lot.

Day spa and resort, please. I'd love a massage.

We all deserve a massage. But you shall go first. It's only right.

[Dog Bole]

But don't put up a parking lot.

Day spa and resort, please. I'd love a massage.

I do massages! I won't charge! Much.

And you have to pass An Erickat check.

[Italios]

Day spa and resort, please. I'd love a massage.

We all deserve a massage. But you shall go first. It's only right.

You have very different ideas of right than I do.

[Ethel mermania]

Also, they say plants can't feel pain so it's okay. Help me, comrade Ethel

As a result, to survive as an animal means to inflict pain on other life. One can't live without causing suffering.

Pretty much yes.

As it was said a long time ago.

The bow is life, the bow is death.

[Ethel mermania]

But don't put up a parking lot.

Day spa and resort, please. I'd love a massage.

Take Mrs mermania, she loves that. It's the easy go to birthday present.

[Eastfield Lodge]

That's good enough for me.

Wow, those F7 memories...

That was a long time ago, in a forum not nearly far enough away.

True enough.

Circle of life, yadda yadda. Apex level predators. Strange bed fellows.

Technically if dingoes eat human babies, would that make them an apex predator?

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