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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Dec 23, 2015 12:31 pm

Hurdegaryp wrote:
Lady Scylla wrote:It's a bit more refined than it was when I was last here. :p

I'm just a weird person, I get a sort of high from a good debate, and right now I'm just uggggh.

When it ain't ugh, it ain't NationStates General. Maybe I should start a thread called "Sarcasm Should Be Banned" in order to see who decides to jump on that instant trainwreck in progress.


I think a general toilet thread would be better
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Postby Hurdegaryp » Wed Dec 23, 2015 12:32 pm

Italios wrote:
Hurdegaryp wrote:When it ain't ugh, it ain't NationStates General. Maybe I should start a thread called "Sarcasm Should Be Banned" in order to see who decides to jump on that instant trainwreck in progress.

Good try, Hurde. We know youre just jealous of other people's talent at making wisecracks.

No, I'm not green with envy, that's just a trick of the light.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Wed Dec 23, 2015 12:34 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Hurdegaryp wrote:When it ain't ugh, it ain't NationStates General. Maybe I should start a thread called "Sarcasm Should Be Banned" in order to see who decides to jump on that instant trainwreck in progress.


I think a general toilet thread would be better


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Postby Immoren » Wed Dec 23, 2015 12:34 pm

Jochistan wrote:
Immoren wrote:Why I am reminded about that group of hippies in Futurama who taught lion to eat tofu.
..
Sad thing that apparently that joke has basis in real life.

Where are these Vegans? I haven't seen any of them here.


I do remember reading bit where someones convinced that we should genengineer herbivores out of carnivores.
Which is silly, because even herbivores can be carnivores of opportunity.
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Wed Dec 23, 2015 12:34 pm

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The Serbian Empire wrote:Yeah, you've got to be crazy to do this tonight.


Give Hath some LSD... hippies love LSD.

No. BAD idea.

But Galla says you're a hippy. What is a hippy without LSD? Not as fun.

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Postby Hurdegaryp » Wed Dec 23, 2015 12:35 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Hurdegaryp wrote:When it ain't ugh, it ain't NationStates General. Maybe I should start a thread called "Sarcasm Should Be Banned" in order to see who decides to jump on that instant trainwreck in progress.

I think a general toilet thread would be better

An idea I've been playing with myself. It would indeed be better to keep the subject broader than in the first attempt, because we don't want to give Blaat an excuse to flush the thread.
CVT Temp wrote:I mean, we can actually create a mathematical definition for evolution in terms of the evolutionary algorithm and then write code to deal with abstract instances of evolution, which basically equates to mathematical proof that evolution works. All that remains is to show that biological systems replicate in such a way as to satisfy the minimal criteria required for evolution to apply to them, something which has already been adequately shown time and again. At this point, we've pretty much proven that not only can evolution happen, it pretty much must happen since it's basically impossible to prevent it from happening.

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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Dec 23, 2015 12:35 pm

The Serbian Empire wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:The point to press with them, is that it's not. Plants have sentience, why do you distinguish between them and animals, we all have cell and circulatory systems.

But do plants have a central nervous system?

What difference does it make, they feel. How does them not having a cns make it any more moral to inflict suffering?
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Postby Italios » Wed Dec 23, 2015 12:35 pm

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Postby The Serbian Empire » Wed Dec 23, 2015 12:36 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
The Serbian Empire wrote:But do plants have a central nervous system?

What difference does it make, they feel. How does them not having a cns make it any more moral to inflict suffering?

Without nerves, the plants feel no pain.

Italios wrote:Note to self: trying to browse NSG while doing multiplayer tours on Tortimer Island is extremely difficult.

That tortoise has to be Mortimer.
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Postby Lady Scylla » Wed Dec 23, 2015 12:36 pm

The Serbian Empire wrote:
Lady Scylla wrote:
Well, considering Afghanistan wasn't too bad off before the US intervention. But, countries do shady shit all the time.

I feel like the jihadists would have taken up Afghanistan regardless of if the US intervened or not. The USSR collapsed by 1991 which would have taken the communism out of Afghanistan.


Well, considering the USSR wasn't actually invading Afghanistan. The Mujahideen were islamist rebels, the Afghan government, being Communist at the time, requested USSR assistance in dealing with the Muj. Bin Ladin, who hailed from Saudi Arabia offered the US a deal, the US would covertly train and arm Al Qaeda and the Muj to fight off Russian helicopters, giving them their "own Vietnam". (With the added hope of establishing a US friendly regime to secure oil and a presence in the region)

Russia was defeated, pulled out, with the fall of Afghanistan being a huge blow to the Soviets. The Communist Afghan government collapsed, Taliban took control, and then Al Qaeda and the Taliban wanted to push the West out of their affairs completely. And thus, we have the Middle East conflagration in the making. The region has always been a checker board of allegiances, either to Russia or other US rivals, or to the US. Iraq was a brilliant buffer state between Saudi Arabia and Iran, who have been locked in a Cold War of their own, which is why Saddam was allowed to remain. There wasn't an issue until he invaded Kuwait, and put US Oil imports in jeopardy with fear of an invasion into Saudi oil fields as well. Any notion of a "greater good" is meh.

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Postby Eastfield Lodge » Wed Dec 23, 2015 12:36 pm

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:D I'm insulted. Hath is no pot smoking hippie!

Eh...okay. Maybe. But I bathe!

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Postby Valyrian Freeholds » Wed Dec 23, 2015 12:36 pm

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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Dec 23, 2015 12:37 pm

Hurdegaryp wrote:
Dog Bole wrote:Trust me, it's somehow different. Like how it's different to insult Western countries, but heaven forbid you call Afghanistan backwater.

Things didn't get any better in Afghanistan when good old Ronald Reagan decided to support the goddamn Mujahideen, who happened to be dedicated jihadists, in their fight against the Red Army. And that's how the USA made the Taliban possible.


While uncle Ron certainly picked up and ran with the ball. Making Afghanistan the ussr's vietnam was Zbigniew brezchinski's. Idea. (Carter's national security adviser )
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Postby Immoren » Wed Dec 23, 2015 12:37 pm

Three blokes vs Canadian goose.
Goose won.
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discoursedrome wrote:everyone knows that quote, "I know not what weapons World War Three will be fought, but World War Four will be fought with sticks and stones," but in a way it's optimistic and inspiring because it suggests that even after destroying civilization and returning to the stone age we'll still be sufficiently globalized and bellicose to have another world war right then and there

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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Wed Dec 23, 2015 12:38 pm

Immoren wrote:Three blokes vs Canadian goose.
Goose won.


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Postby Dog Bole » Wed Dec 23, 2015 12:38 pm

Eastfield Lodge wrote:
Dog Bole wrote::D I'm insulted. Hath is no pot smoking hippie!

Eh...okay. Maybe. But I bathe!

You're Hathradic States?

In the fur. ;)
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Postby Italios » Wed Dec 23, 2015 12:38 pm

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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Dec 23, 2015 12:38 pm

Dog Bole wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:The point to press with them, is that it's not. Plants have sentience, why do you distinguish between them and animals, we all have cell and circulatory systems.

Also, they say plants can't feel pain so it's okay. Help me, comrade Ethel

Post the article I posted earlier, and follow the links to the science.
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Postby Dog Bole » Wed Dec 23, 2015 12:39 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Dog Bole wrote:Also, they say plants can't feel pain so it's okay. Help me, comrade Ethel

Post the article I posted earlier, and follow the links to the science.

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Postby The Serbian Empire » Wed Dec 23, 2015 12:39 pm

Eastfield Lodge wrote:
Dog Bole wrote::D I'm insulted. Hath is no pot smoking hippie!

Eh...okay. Maybe. But I bathe!

You're Hathradic States?

Yes, that's Hath. Ericka's still somewhere else.

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The Serbian Empire wrote:I feel like the jihadists would have taken up Afghanistan regardless of if the US intervened or not. The USSR collapsed by 1991 which would have taken the communism out of Afghanistan.


Well, considering the USSR wasn't actually invading Afghanistan. The Mujahideen were islamist rebels, the Afghan government, being Communist at the time, requested USSR assistance in dealing with the Muj. Bin Ladin, who hailed from Saudi Arabia offered the US a deal, the US would covertly train and arm Al Qaeda and the Muj to fight off Russian helicopters, giving them their "own Vietnam". (With the added hope of establishing a US friendly regime to secure oil and a presence in the region)

Russia was defeated, pulled out, with the fall of Afghanistan being a huge blow to the Soviets. The Communist Afghan government collapsed, Taliban took control, and then Al Qaeda and the Taliban wanted to push the West out of their affairs completely. And thus, we have the Middle East conflagration in the making. The region has always been a checker board of allegiances, either to Russia or other US rivals, or to the US. Iraq was a brilliant buffer state between Saudi Arabia and Iran, who have been locked in a Cold War of their own, which is why Saddam was allowed to remain. There wasn't an issue until he invaded Kuwait, and put US Oil imports in jeopardy with fear of an invasion into Saudi oil fields as well. Any notion of a "greater good" is meh.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covert_Un ... ge_actions

The entire thing was a mess.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Wed Dec 23, 2015 12:40 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Dog Bole wrote:Also, they say plants can't feel pain so it's okay. Help me, comrade Ethel

Post the article I posted earlier, and follow the links to the science.


Well, I think I recall reading that that smell you get when you cut grass is akin to an expression of pain from the grass.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Dec 23, 2015 12:40 pm

Lady Scylla wrote:
Hurdegaryp wrote:Things didn't get any better in Afghanistan when good old Ronald Reagan decided to support the goddamn Mujahideen, who happened to be dedicated jihadists, in their fight against the Red Army. And that's how the USA made the Taliban possible.


Well, considering Afghanistan wasn't too bad off before the US intervention. But, countries do shady shit all the time.

It was a shithole in the 1930's. It was a shithole in the 1960's. It's a shithole now.
The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion … but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact; non-Westerners never do.

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Postby Eastfield Lodge » Wed Dec 23, 2015 12:41 pm

Dog Bole wrote:
Eastfield Lodge wrote:You're Hathradic States?

In the fur. ;)

Fair enough. Haven't seen you around in ages.
I don't suppose you remember me that much do you?
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Postby Lady Scylla » Wed Dec 23, 2015 12:41 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Lady Scylla wrote:
Well, considering Afghanistan wasn't too bad off before the US intervention. But, countries do shady shit all the time.

It was a shithole in the 1930's. It was a shithole in the 1960's. It's a shithole now.


I never said it was perfect.

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Postby Jochistan » Wed Dec 23, 2015 12:42 pm

Immoren wrote:
Jochistan wrote:Where are these Vegans? I haven't seen any of them here.


I do remember reading bit where someones convinced that we should genengineer herbivores out of carnivores.

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