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Ethel mermania
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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Dec 23, 2015 12:23 pm

Dog Bole wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:A better question would be plants and trees have some sentience.

http://www.pri.org/stories/2014-01-09/n ... out-plants

And if they do, what right does a vegan claim to eat them?

Trust me, it's somehow different. Like how it's different to insult Western countries, but heaven forbid you call Afghanistan backwater.

The point to press with them, is that it's not. Plants have sentience, why do you distinguish between them and animals, we all have cell and circulatory systems.
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Postby Italios » Wed Dec 23, 2015 12:24 pm

Gallade wrote:
Italios wrote:Another thing that bothers me: humans are an essential part of the food chain and ecosystem, and have been from the beginning. Suddenly changing the food chain will have drastic effects. As long as the animal is killed for good reason - like, I don't know, food - I see no problem with it. Because we have other substitutes for fur clothes nowadays in most societies, fur clothes I don't like. Also, hunting solely for the purpose of the animal's head.

Barring the furs of animals we've hunted for food or population control, I hope. Otherwise you're reeeeeeally not gonna like the contents of my wardrobe.

I already said I have no problem with food, and local population control I guess its okay. But a lot of hunting that goes on is illegal because the animal in question is endangered. I don't hold fur clothes against the person anyway, thats a stupid thing, I just don't like the idea of killing an animal when you don't really need to. I mean, my great-grand uncle (is that what he is?) was a furrier.
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The Serbian Empire
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Wed Dec 23, 2015 12:24 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Dog Bole wrote:Trust me, it's somehow different. Like how it's different to insult Western countries, but heaven forbid you call Afghanistan backwater.

The point to press with them, is that it's not. Plants have sentience, why do you distinguish between them and animals, we all have cell and circulatory systems.

But do plants have a central nervous system?
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Postby Dog Bole » Wed Dec 23, 2015 12:25 pm

Gallade wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:A better question would be plants and trees have some sentience.

http://www.pri.org/stories/2014-01-09/n ... out-plants

And if they do, what right does a vegan claim to eat them?

Technically they're usually just non-lethally consuming plant testicles.

The disgusting freaks.

Sure taste better than bull testicles.
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The Serbian Empire
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Wed Dec 23, 2015 12:25 pm

Gallade wrote:
Italios wrote:Another thing that bothers me: humans are an essential part of the food chain and ecosystem, and have been from the beginning. Suddenly changing the food chain will have drastic effects. As long as the animal is killed for good reason - like, I don't know, food - I see no problem with it. Because we have other substitutes for fur clothes nowadays in most societies, fur clothes I don't like. Also, hunting solely for the purpose of the animal's head.

Barring the furs of animals we've hunted for food or population control, I hope. Otherwise you're reeeeeeally not gonna like the contents of my wardrobe.

Let me guess, you're fond of silk, leather, and fur coats.
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Postby Lady Scylla » Wed Dec 23, 2015 12:25 pm

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Lady Scylla wrote:It's a bit more refined than it was when I was last here. :p

I'm just a weird person, I get a sort of high from a good debate, and right now I'm just uggggh.

When it ain't ugh, it ain't NationStates General. Maybe I should start a thread called "Sarcasm Should Be Banned" in order to see who decides to jump on that instant trainwreck in progress.


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Postby Hurdegaryp » Wed Dec 23, 2015 12:25 pm

Dog Bole wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:A better question would be plants and trees have some sentience.

http://www.pri.org/stories/2014-01-09/n ... out-plants

And if they do, what right does a vegan claim to eat them?

Trust me, it's somehow different. Like how it's different to insult Western countries, but heaven forbid you call Afghanistan backwater.

Things didn't get any better in Afghanistan when good old Ronald Reagan decided to support the goddamn Mujahideen, who happened to be dedicated jihadists, in their fight against the Red Army. And that's how the USA made the Taliban possible.
CVT Temp wrote:I mean, we can actually create a mathematical definition for evolution in terms of the evolutionary algorithm and then write code to deal with abstract instances of evolution, which basically equates to mathematical proof that evolution works. All that remains is to show that biological systems replicate in such a way as to satisfy the minimal criteria required for evolution to apply to them, something which has already been adequately shown time and again. At this point, we've pretty much proven that not only can evolution happen, it pretty much must happen since it's basically impossible to prevent it from happening.

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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Wed Dec 23, 2015 12:25 pm

It's shopping tonight. One day before Christmas. I am out of my mind.
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Postby Dog Bole » Wed Dec 23, 2015 12:26 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Dog Bole wrote:Trust me, it's somehow different. Like how it's different to insult Western countries, but heaven forbid you call Afghanistan backwater.

The point to press with them, is that it's not. Plants have sentience, why do you distinguish between them and animals, we all have cell and circulatory systems.

Also, they say plants can't feel pain so it's okay. Help me, comrade Ethel
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Postby Lady Scylla » Wed Dec 23, 2015 12:26 pm

Italios wrote:
Dog Bole wrote:The modern society they usually hate.

And aforementioned vegans are driving me from the Reds. Too many vegans and hardcore SJWs.

Another thing that bothers me: humans are an essential part of the food chain and ecosystem, and have been from the beginning. Suddenly changing the food chain will have drastic effects. As long as the animal is killed for good reason - like, I don't know, food - I see no problem with it. Because we have other substitutes for fur clothes nowadays in most societies, fur clothes I don't like. Also, hunting solely for the purpose of the animal's head.


I'm against hunting for sport. Other than that, as long as it's being used for something, food or clothing.

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Postby Gallade » Wed Dec 23, 2015 12:26 pm

Dog Bole wrote:
Gallade wrote:Technically they're usually just non-lethally consuming plant testicles.

The disgusting freaks.

Sure taste better than bull testicles.

Lies. Hippy spotted.
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Postby Jochistan » Wed Dec 23, 2015 12:26 pm

Immoren wrote:Why I am reminded about that group of hippies in Futurama who taught lion to eat tofu.
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Sad thing that apparently that joke has basis in real life.

Where are these Vegans? I haven't seen any of them here.
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Postby Dog Bole » Wed Dec 23, 2015 12:27 pm

Hurdegaryp wrote:
Dog Bole wrote:Trust me, it's somehow different. Like how it's different to insult Western countries, but heaven forbid you call Afghanistan backwater.

Things didn't get any better in Afghanistan when good old Ronald Reagan decided to support the goddamn Mujahideen, who happened to be dedicated jihadists, in their fight against the Red Army. And that's how the USA made the Taliban possible.

Still backwater. Neither of my blood brothers want to ever go back.
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Wed Dec 23, 2015 12:28 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:It's shopping tonight. One day before Christmas. I am out of my mind.

Yeah, you've got to be crazy to do this tonight.

Gallade wrote:
Dog Bole wrote:Sure taste better than bull testicles.

Lies. Hippy spotted.

Give Hath some LSD... hippies love LSD.
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Postby Lady Scylla » Wed Dec 23, 2015 12:28 pm

Hurdegaryp wrote:
Dog Bole wrote:Trust me, it's somehow different. Like how it's different to insult Western countries, but heaven forbid you call Afghanistan backwater.

Things didn't get any better in Afghanistan when good old Ronald Reagan decided to support the goddamn Mujahideen, who happened to be dedicated jihadists, in their fight against the Red Army. And that's how the USA made the Taliban possible.


Well, considering Afghanistan wasn't too bad off before the US intervention. But, countries do shady shit all the time.

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Postby Dog Bole » Wed Dec 23, 2015 12:29 pm

Gallade wrote:
Dog Bole wrote:Sure taste better than bull testicles.

Lies. Hippy spotted.

:D I'm insulted. Hath is no pot smoking hippie!

Eh...okay. Maybe. But I bathe!
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Postby Lady Scylla » Wed Dec 23, 2015 12:29 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:It's shopping tonight. One day before Christmas. I am out of my mind.


This is why my grocery lists are devised in such a way that I can start at one end, work my way down, and be out quickly.

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Postby Gallade » Wed Dec 23, 2015 12:29 pm

The Serbian Empire wrote:
Gallade wrote:Barring the furs of animals we've hunted for food or population control, I hope. Otherwise you're reeeeeeally not gonna like the contents of my wardrobe.

Let me guess, you're fond of silk, leather, and fur coats.

A silk coat would rather defeat the purpose of putting it on, no? Alack, alay, beauty is suffering.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Wed Dec 23, 2015 12:30 pm

Lady Scylla wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:It's shopping tonight. One day before Christmas. I am out of my mind.


This is why my grocery lists are devised in such a way that I can start at one end, work my way down, and be out quickly.


I'm debating whether to do it after 19:00 hours or just wait until midnight.
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Wed Dec 23, 2015 12:30 pm

Lady Scylla wrote:
Hurdegaryp wrote:Things didn't get any better in Afghanistan when good old Ronald Reagan decided to support the goddamn Mujahideen, who happened to be dedicated jihadists, in their fight against the Red Army. And that's how the USA made the Taliban possible.


Well, considering Afghanistan wasn't too bad off before the US intervention. But, countries do shady shit all the time.

I feel like the jihadists would have taken up Afghanistan regardless of if the US intervened or not. The USSR collapsed by 1991 which would have taken the communism out of Afghanistan.
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Postby Lady Scylla » Wed Dec 23, 2015 12:30 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Lady Scylla wrote:
This is why my grocery lists are devised in such a way that I can start at one end, work my way down, and be out quickly.


I'm debating whether to do it after 19:00 hours or just wait until midnight.


Be warned. When you're in a store at such late hours, the weird people come out.

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Postby Dog Bole » Wed Dec 23, 2015 12:30 pm

The Serbian Empire wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:It's shopping tonight. One day before Christmas. I am out of my mind.

Yeah, you've got to be crazy to do this tonight.

Gallade wrote:Lies. Hippy spotted.

Give Hath some LSD... hippies love LSD.

No. BAD idea.
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Postby Val Halla » Wed Dec 23, 2015 12:30 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:It's shopping tonight. One day before Christmas. I am out of my mind.

Err.. It's the 23rd
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Wed Dec 23, 2015 12:30 pm

Lady Scylla wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
I'm debating whether to do it after 19:00 hours or just wait until midnight.


Be warned. When you're in a store at such late hours, the weird people come out.


My kind of people.
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Wed Dec 23, 2015 12:31 pm

Gallade wrote:
The Serbian Empire wrote:Let me guess, you're fond of silk, leather, and fur coats.

A silk coat would rather defeat the purpose of putting it on, no? Alack, alay, beauty is suffering.

Silk is for dresses and blouses in my eyes, but they make silk coats. That's kind of odd... but beauty is never easy or comfortable.
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