Logical argument against Islamophobia?

[Teemant]

It's not logical, I'll admit. I just know that his arguments will be excused and shoved aside, as opposed to debated seriously, because this is about Islam, which has some protected status here.

So, no, the OP clearly is wrong in some regards, including ones where he acts as if it's some sort of Eurabian plot where Muslims will outnumber us all. That said, I agree with parts of it, including the fact that multiculturalism simply hasn't been working, and that Islam, particularly in Europe, causes much more harm than good.

If multiculturalism never works the United States ought to be a Balkanized continent. Yet somehow it's not.

Because they assimilated but assimilation is seen as a racist thing in this forum.

[Liberty and Linguistics]

It's not logical, I'll admit. I just know that his arguments will be excused and shoved aside, as opposed to debated seriously, because this is about Islam, which has some protected status here.

So, no, the OP clearly is wrong in some regards, including ones where he acts as if it's some sort of Eurabian plot where Muslims will outnumber us all. That said, I agree with parts of it, including the fact that multiculturalism simply hasn't been working, and that Islam, particularly in Europe, causes much more harm than good.

If multiculturalism never works the United States ought to be a Balkanized continent. Yet somehow it's not.

Seeing as the US has a fairly common culture, I'd say we're doing okay. That being said, there are still some major issues with integration for us yanks as well. As someone who lives in Phoenix, I see it just about every day, and I'm not all too happy about it.

I also neglected to mention that we had great assimilation of European cultures back in the 19th and 20th centuries, largely because the cultures coming in were Christian, somewhat culturally similar etc. Not all cultures are created equal, unfortunately.

[The Alma Mater]

http://www.pewforum.org/2011/01/27/the- ... opulation/

Oh noez, 8%! That's almost a majority! Also note that most of this increase will be because of immigration, not because of higher birthrates.

But why look Europe as a whole? There are almost none in Eastern Europe (excluding Russia). This is just a way to show percentage smaller than it is.

The 8% is quite fair actually. In the countries with the highest muslim populations in Europe (the ones I mentioned above) it is between 8 and 12% at most.
Of course, it is well over 50% of the prison population in those countries as well

[Mavorpen]

Great rebuttal.

Well your point was just an unexplained assertion. What is "white suicide"? Unless its white people literally killing themselves (no) it's pretty much meaningless.

Plus, it's not like race actually exists in any "objective" manner, even further making it gibberish.

[Liberty and Linguistics]

But why look Europe as a whole? There are almost none in Eastern Europe (excluding Russia). This is just a way to show percentage smaller than it is.

The 8% is quite fair actually. In the countries with the highest muslim populations in Europe (the ones I mentioned above) it is between 8 and 12% at most.
Of course, it is well over 50% of the prison population in those countries as well

It's because of white privilege and bigotry, there's no other explanation.

[Gauthier]

If multiculturalism never works the United States ought to be a Balkanized continent. Yet somehow it's not.

Because they assimilated but assimilation is seen as a racist thing in this forum.

They're integrated, not assimilated. Assimilation includes the eradication of their original culture and language as was done to Native Americans.

[Anywhere Else But Here]

It's amusing how you're taking a point that uses the term "white suicide" as a logical argument in the meantime.

It's not logical, I'll admit. I just know that his arguments will be excused and shoved aside, as opposed to debated seriously, because this is about Islam, which has some protected status here.

So, no, the OP clearly is wrong in some regards, including ones where he acts as if it's some sort of Eurabian plot where Muslims will outnumber us all. That said, I agree with parts of it, including the fact that multiculturalism simply hasn't been working, and that Islam, particularly in Europe, causes much more harm than good.

They've already been seriously debated. It's been pointed out that his fears about birth rates are not supported by evidence, and even if they were, points 3 and 4 don't necessarily follow. The only point being dismissed as absurd is point 1, because it is absurd.
Not seeing the whole "Islam protected status" here, just a lot of serious debate.

[Unnamed island state]

Great rebuttal.

You asked a question and I answered it. I'm not sure why I'd need a rebuttal since that's obviously not what the word "suicide" means.

How is that relevant?

[Liberty and Linguistics]

You asked a question and I answered it. I'm not sure why I'd need a rebuttal since that's obviously not what the word "suicide" means.

How is that relevant?

It's Mavorpen, sometimes his debates are like broken records, I'd learn to deal with it.

[Mavorpen]

You asked a question and I answered it. I'm not sure why I'd need a rebuttal since that's obviously not what the word "suicide" means.

How is that relevant?

How is the meaning of the word suicide relevant about a point saying "white suicide" is happening?

[Liberty and Linguistics]

It's not logical, I'll admit. I just know that his arguments will be excused and shoved aside, as opposed to debated seriously, because this is about Islam, which has some protected status here.

So, no, the OP clearly is wrong in some regards, including ones where he acts as if it's some sort of Eurabian plot where Muslims will outnumber us all. That said, I agree with parts of it, including the fact that multiculturalism simply hasn't been working, and that Islam, particularly in Europe, causes much more harm than good.

They've already been seriously debated. It's been pointed out that his fears about birth rates are not supported by evidence, and even if they were, points 3 and 4 don't necessarily follow. The only point being dismissed as absurd is point 1, because it is absurd.
Not seeing the whole "Islam protected status" here, just a lot of serious debate.

Seeing how the "debate" is just snark and irrelevant talking points, I'd have to disagree with you entirely.

[Wallenburg]

1) Multiculturalism while in theory sounds great, is something only white/western societies seem to see as ideal. Is this not white suicide? I'd say suicide since they're literally doing it to themselves.

Is taxation suicide? I'd say suicide since they're literally doing it to themselves.

Your argument makes no sense. Doing something to yourself doesn't equate to suicide.

2) Due to low birthrates in these cultures an influx of "outsiders" who breed at a higher rate means that demographically they (the outsiders) will become the majority in that country as growth will increase exponentially.

So what?

3) Once a majority has been reached then democratically that country should follow the wishes of the majority of their population. Which would be the laws and traditions of the original "outsiders"

No, it wouldn't. Such a transition to a Muslim majority would require centuries, many generations of natural-born citizens who descend from Muslim backgrounds. By the time Muslims became a majority in your hypothetical nation, they would have absolutely no ties to their ancestors' culture, and would instead identify with the culture of their home nation.

4) Bringing the failing ideologies, traditions, beliefs and way of life from failing country B to country A will turn country's A into B overtime.

Assuming that these are "failing", how can a failing way of life succeed? It is directly contradictory.

I have many more points, and statistics but there is already a lot here. Basically what I'm asking for is an intelligent, logical rebuttal. I unlike many others am a rational person and am willing to change my current view when presented with evidence.

Thoughts?

I think you should change your current view.

[Gauthier]

How is that relevant?

How is the meaning of the word suicide relevant about a point saying "white suicide" is happening?

Obviously "White Suicide" is the name of a cocktail in this instance. *nod*

[Teemant]

Because they assimilated but assimilation is seen as a racist thing in this forum.

They're integrated, not assimilated. Assimilation includes the eradication of their original culture and language as was done to Native Americans.

I doubt ones who came during 20th century speak the languages of the countries they came from. So they have assimilated in large part.

[Henri Picard]

Wow. Harder than I imagined to keep track of the responses.

But some great responses. I'll have to reply in depth when I have the computer ready.

Thank you.

I don't know your name so I will call You Cletus

[Shamhnan Insir]

How is the meaning of the word suicide relevant about a point saying "white suicide" is happening?

Obviously "White Suicide" is the name of a cocktail in this instance. *nod*

Milk and tequila...guhhh, what bastard invented that one?

[Unnamed island state]

How is that relevant?

How is the meaning of the word suicide relevant about a point saying "white suicide" is happening?

I think it's more important to address what he/she tried to articulate rather than going into an unrelated rant on how he didn't use the term suicide correctly.

Pointing out semantic mistakes does not rebut an argument.

[Henri Picard]

How is the meaning of the word suicide relevant about a point saying "white suicide" is happening?

Obviously "White Suicide" is the name of a cocktail in this instance. *nod*

*nods vigorously*

[Gauthier]

They've already been seriously debated. It's been pointed out that his fears about birth rates are not supported by evidence, and even if they were, points 3 and 4 don't necessarily follow. The only point being dismissed as absurd is point 1, because it is absurd.
Not seeing the whole "Islam protected status" here, just a lot of serious debate.

Seeing how the "debate" is just snark and irrelevant talking points, I'd have to disagree with you entirely.

Because trying to debate an argument based on trying to quantify and scientifically validate bigotry and racism- because we have plenty of instances where white-skinned Muslims were barred from an airline or harassed obviously- has the exercise resistance of debating on an Infected Mushroom OP.

[The Alma Mater]

They're integrated, not assimilated. Assimilation includes the eradication of their original culture and language as was done to Native Americans.

I doubt ones who came during 20th century speak the languages of the countries they came from.

They still do in Europe...
Admittedly the last generation is at least bilingual; but a large part of the people who arrived in the 50s and 60s never learned the local language. It is one of the main attack vectors Wilders c.s. use against them in fact.

[Mavorpen]

How is the meaning of the word suicide relevant about a point saying "white suicide" is happening?

I think it's more important to address what he/she tried to articulate rather than going into an unrelated rant on how he didn't use the term suicide correctly.

I don't think you know what the meaning of the word "rant." I certainly didn't rant. I only pointed out that if he's going to try to appeal to emotion using a term associated with something sad and unfortunate, use the term correctly. Otherwise, he's just undermining his point.

Pointing out semantic mistakes does not rebut an argument.

If the argument centers around that semantic mistake, yes, it does. In the same way shouting "abortion is murder!" can be rebutted by pointing out that, well, it isn't.

[Tekeristan]

Can't we all just take humanist ideas?

[Henri Picard]

Cletus here http://youtu.be/RvOnXh3NN9w needs to learn how to search google.

[Tierra Prime]

Can't we all just take humanist ideas?

That means being able to criticise Islam without calls of "bigot" and "islamophobe."

If you can attack Christianity, then you can attack Islam too, it's not special any any means.

[North Dragoria]

There is no "Logical" argument against Islamophobia when the Quran calls for violence against non-believers, Muslims rape non-Muslim European women en-masse, attack European cities, and migrate en-masse to our countries.

Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/10 ... migration/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham ... on_scandal

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/11 ... alled-her/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_righ ... udi_Arabia