Should Conversion Therapy Be Outlawed?

[Zoice]

well you can't make it work as sexuality isn't something that can be changed. People under 18 don't have the option of it being voluntary. Their parents can force them into it.

Why can't sexuality be changed? Isn't it psychological, like gender?

With enough torture you might be able to induce certain responses mirroring attraction to a different sex, a la Clockwork Orange. That's not the same though, nor is it something we should do.

[Sunken Island of Rhinomuraena]

Conversion Therapy should be outlawed completely, but sexuality can change, it's just not good to force it to change with torture and such.

[Morr]

Why can't sexuality be changed? Isn't it psychological, like gender?

Your personality, the things you like and don't like, those are all psychological. Many aspects of which you cannot change.

I'd say they can be, it's just very difficult. You could condition a racist person to like black people, for instance, I'm quite sure, but it would take a lot of effort and cooperation.

[Morr]

Conversion Therapy should be outlawed completely, but sexuality can change, it's just not good to force it to change with torture and such.

I don't think people who undergo conversion therapy are forced.

[Sunken Island of Rhinomuraena]

I mean like someone forcing their sexuality to change.

[San Lumen]

Conversion Therapy should be outlawed completely, but sexuality can change, it's just not good to force it to change with torture and such.

I don't think people who undergo conversion therapy are forced.

Some teenagers are forced by their parents

[Zoice]

Conversion Therapy should be outlawed completely, but sexuality can change, it's just not good to force it to change with torture and such.

I don't think people who undergo conversion therapy are forced.

As San Lumen said, sometimes minors are forced into it. That aside, from a consumer protection standpoint, this is a therapy that is proven not to work and has significant chances of lasting physical and emotional harm. I couldn't imagine allowing it to continue.

[Morr]

I don't think people who undergo conversion therapy are forced.

As San Lumen said, sometimes minors are forced into it. That aside, from a consumer protection standpoint, this is a therapy that is proven not to work and has significant chances of lasting physical and emotional harm. I couldn't imagine allowing it to continue.

A study in Sweden showed that transgendered persons who underwent sex-reassignment surgery were more likely to commit suicide than transgendered persons who did not: http://journals.plos.org/plosone/articl ... ne.0016885

Does that mean we should ban sex-reassignment surgery?

[Sunken Island of Rhinomuraena]

I think that conversion therapy should be banned because parents use it on teenagers, mostly.

[Morr]

I think that conversion therapy should be banned because parents use it on teenagers, mostly.

Can't the teenager just be separately asked if he wants it?

[San Lumen]

I think that conversion therapy should be banned because parents use it on teenagers, mostly.

Can't the teenager just be separately asked if he wants it?

You can't give consent if your under 18. That's the whole point of outlawing it.

[Vashtanaraada]

Yes.

[Zoice]

As San Lumen said, sometimes minors are forced into it. That aside, from a consumer protection standpoint, this is a therapy that is proven not to work and has significant chances of lasting physical and emotional harm. I couldn't imagine allowing it to continue.

A study in Sweden showed that transgendered persons who underwent sex-reassignment surgery were more likely to commit suicide than transgendered persons who did not: http://journals.plos.org/plosone/articl ... ne.0016885

Does that mean we should ban sex-reassignment surgery?

I'm pretty sure that study actually said that transgendered people post surgery are at more risk than the general population, not transgendered people who haven't had surgery.

[Rusozak]

As San Lumen said, sometimes minors are forced into it. That aside, from a consumer protection standpoint, this is a therapy that is proven not to work and has significant chances of lasting physical and emotional harm. I couldn't imagine allowing it to continue.

A study in Sweden showed that transgendered persons who underwent sex-reassignment surgery were more likely to commit suicide than transgendered persons who did not: http://journals.plos.org/plosone/articl ... ne.0016885

Does that mean we should ban sex-reassignment surgery?

Why do you think the suicide rate is higher? It's because of an intolerant and destructive general public. You're breaking someone's legs and criticizing them for being unable to walk.

[Morr]

A study in Sweden showed that transgendered persons who underwent sex-reassignment surgery were more likely to commit suicide than transgendered persons who did not: http://journals.plos.org/plosone/articl ... ne.0016885

Does that mean we should ban sex-reassignment surgery?

I'm pretty sure that study actually said that transgendered people post surgery are at more risk than the general population, not transgendered people who haven't had surgery.

The Kaplan-Meier curve (Figure 1) suggests that survival of transsexual persons started to diverge from that of matched controls after about 10 years of follow-up.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3043071/

[Morr]

A study in Sweden showed that transgendered persons who underwent sex-reassignment surgery were more likely to commit suicide than transgendered persons who did not: http://journals.plos.org/plosone/articl ... ne.0016885

Does that mean we should ban sex-reassignment surgery?

Why do you think the suicide rate is higher? It's because of an intolerant and destructive general public. You're breaking someone's legs and criticizing them for being unable to walk.

In Sweden?

[Parhe]

I think it should be allowed. The government shouldn't restrict how people spend their money so long as it does not have advertising effects on other people.

I'll read the whole thread now.

[Aarnonia]

Why do you think the suicide rate is higher? It's because of an intolerant and destructive general public. You're breaking someone's legs and criticizing them for being unable to walk.

In Sweden?

Sweden is a relatively tolerant place, but it still has miles to go, along with the rest of europe.

[Morr]

In Sweden?

Sweden is a relatively tolerant place, but it still has miles to go, along with the rest of europe.

Sweden is insanely tolerant. A lesbian bishop runs the Church of Sweden.

[San Lumen]

I think it should be allowed. The government shouldn't restrict how people spend their money so long as it does not have advertising effects on other people.

I'll read the whole thread now.

Why should it be allowed? it doesn't work and is harmful.

[Morr]

I think it should be allowed. The government shouldn't restrict how people spend their money so long as it does not have advertising effects on other people.

I'll read the whole thread now.

Why should it be allowed? it doesn't work and is harmful.

It probably doesn't work because it's practiced with reading Bible verses and talking about hellfire, rather than using controlled clinical methods. Even so, just because something is harmful is not cause enough to ban it, cigarettes are legal after all.

[Sunken Island of Rhinomuraena]

Yeah, but they should be banned as well.

[San Lumen]

Why should it be allowed? it doesn't work and is harmful.

It probably doesn't work because it's practiced with reading Bible verses and talking about hellfire, rather than using controlled clinical methods. Even so, just because something is harmful is not cause enough to ban it, cigarettes are legal after all.

What controlled clinical methods are you talking about? You can't cure homosexuality. its not a disease or disorder.

[Zoice]

Why should it be allowed? it doesn't work and is harmful.

It probably doesn't work because it's practiced with reading Bible verses and talking about hellfire, rather than using controlled clinical methods. Even so, just because something is harmful is not cause enough to ban it, cigarettes are legal after all.

Yet heroin is illegal. What harmful stuff is or isn't legal depends on the politics of the government at the time.

[The Confederacy of Nationalism]

As San Lumen said, sometimes minors are forced into it. That aside, from a consumer protection standpoint, this is a therapy that is proven not to work and has significant chances of lasting physical and emotional harm. I couldn't imagine allowing it to continue.

A study in Sweden showed that transgendered persons who underwent sex-reassignment surgery were more likely to commit suicide than transgendered persons who did not: http://journals.plos.org/plosone/articl ... ne.0016885

Does that mean we should ban sex-reassignment surgery?

absolutely, yes