Petition to ban Donald Trump from UK reaches 300,000

by **Geilinor** » Thu Dec 10, 2015 4:39 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:Why does Trumps free speech trump the free speectolerant h of the people who signed the petition?

it doesn't it only infriges on trumps speech if the ban is carried out. it just shows there are 300,000 intolerant jerks, in the UK

He's not British, there's no right to enter another country to speak.

by **Geilinor** » Thu Dec 10, 2015 4:40 pm

Mike the Progressive wrote:
Geilinor wrote:If they can stop extremist Muslim preachers, why not Trump?

Free speech? Difference between advocating for the violent overthrow of a state or nation versus being a prick.

Trump is currently advocating for religious hatred.

by **Gauthier** » Thu Dec 10, 2015 4:40 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:it doesn't it only infriges on trumps speech if the ban is carried out. it just shows there are 300,000 intolerant jerks, in the UK

More like half a million at this point. And he's not being banned from speaking, just being denied a venue in which to do so. Does even the first amendment guarantee a venue for speech?

Just goes to show how the anti-SJW raeg has turned into Bigot Pride under Trump.

by **Ugatoo** » Thu Dec 10, 2015 4:41 pm

Gauthier wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
More like half a million at this point. And he's not being banned from speaking, just being denied a venue in which to do so. Does even the first amendment guarantee a venue for speech?

Just goes to show how the anti-SJW raeg has turned into Bigot Pride under Trump.

Gotta love SJWs labelling everyone who disagrees with them as bigots.

by **Imperializt Russia** » Thu Dec 10, 2015 4:42 pm

Ugatoo wrote:
Gauthier wrote:
Just goes to show how the anti-SJW raeg has turned into Bigot Pride under Trump.

Gotta love SJWs labelling everyone who disagrees with them as bigots.

That's not what he strictly said.

by **Gauthier** » Thu Dec 10, 2015 4:43 pm

Ugatoo wrote:
Gauthier wrote:
Just goes to show how the anti-SJW raeg has turned into Bigot Pride under Trump.

Gotta love SJWs labelling everyone who disagrees with them as bigots.

And love it when you label someone you disagree with as an SJW too.

by **Mike the Progressive** » Thu Dec 10, 2015 4:43 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Mike the Progressive wrote:
Free speech? Difference between advocating for the violent overthrow of a state or nation versus being a prick.

Trump is currently advocating for religious hatred.

Hatred for a religion isn't a crime.

by **Ethel mermania** » Thu Dec 10, 2015 4:44 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:it doesn't it only infriges on trumps speech if the ban is carried out. it just shows there are 300,000 intolerant jerks, in the UK

More like half a million at this point. And he's not being banned from speaking, just being denied a venue in which to do so. Does even the first amendment guarantte a venue for speech?

that question is still a subject of debate, publi spaces genraltha tly yes, but local authorities, for good reasons, have some permitting authority ot control the size and timing of the debate.

for example, you cant stop people picketing at abortoh clinics, but you can legislate that the protestors are keep 50 feet away

by **Geilinor** » Thu Dec 10, 2015 4:44 pm

Mike the Progressive wrote:
Geilinor wrote:Trump is currently advocating for religious hatred.

Hatred for a religion isn't a crime.

Not in America, but the UK has hate speech laws. He can air his views all he wants in our country.

by **Imperializt Russia** » Thu Dec 10, 2015 4:44 pm

Mike the Progressive wrote:
Geilinor wrote:Trump is currently advocating for religious hatred.

Hatred for a religion isn't a crime.

Don't think anyone's claimed it strictly is.

by **Gauthier** » Thu Dec 10, 2015 4:44 pm

Mike the Progressive wrote:
Geilinor wrote:Trump is currently advocating for religious hatred.

Hatred for a religion isn't a crime.

It's patriotic. *nod*

by **Mike the Progressive** » Thu Dec 10, 2015 4:45 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Mike the Progressive wrote:
Hatred for a religion isn't a crime.

Not in America, but the UK has hate speech laws.

And I'm arguing free speech is a right that transcends borders. Or at least it should.

by **Ugatoo** » Thu Dec 10, 2015 4:45 pm

Mike the Progressive wrote:
Geilinor wrote:Trump is currently advocating for religious hatred.

Hatred for a religion isn't a crime.

No but attempting to bar people entry into the US based on the nation of origin or religion is.

by **Mike the Progressive** » Thu Dec 10, 2015 4:46 pm

Imperializt Russia wrote:
Mike the Progressive wrote:
Hatred for a religion isn't a crime.

Don't think anyone's claimed it strictly is.

Geilinor in saying Trump is advocating for religious hatred sorta just did.

by **Imperializt Russia** » Thu Dec 10, 2015 4:46 pm

Mike the Progressive wrote:
Geilinor wrote:Not in America, but the UK has hate speech laws.

And I'm arguing free speech is a right that transcends borders. Or at least it should.

It is.
We disagree on what it constitutes.

Any other interpretation would mean that US free speech law transcends the law of any country, which would be almost more twattish than Trump's comments.

by **Fartsniffage** » Thu Dec 10, 2015 4:53 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
More like half a million at this point. And he's not being banned from speaking, just being denied a venue in which to do so. Does even the first amendment guarantte a venue for speech?

that question is still a subject of debate, publi spaces genraltha tly yes, but local authorities, for good reasons, have some permitting authority ot control the size and timing of the debate.

for example, you cant stop people picketing at abortoh clinics, but you can legislate that the protestors are keep 50 feet away

But you can deny it on private property?

by **Geilinor** » Thu Dec 10, 2015 4:56 pm

Mike the Progressive wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:Don't think anyone's claimed it strictly is.

Geilinor in saying Trump is advocating for religious hatred sorta just did.

Hatred in itself isn't. The expression of it, depending on the way it's expressed, can be in some jurisdictions.

by **Reagan-land** » Thu Dec 10, 2015 5:00 pm

I don't think Donald Trump is whining about being excluded from a country of liberals/left wingers/socialists whatever the brits call them, that are worse than the left wing politics present in america

by **Ethel mermania** » Thu Dec 10, 2015 5:04 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:that question is still a subject of debate, publi spaces genraltha tly yes, but local authorities, for good reasons, have some permitting authority ot control the size and timing of the debate.

for example, you cant stop people picketing at abortoh clinics, but you can legislate that the protestors are keep 50 feet away

But you can deny it on private property?

Yes.

by **Calimera II** » Thu Dec 10, 2015 5:04 pm

Reagan-land wrote:I don't think Donald Trump is whining about being excluded from a country of liberals/left wingers/socialists whatever the brits call them, that are worse than the left wing politics present in america

hahahahahahahahahahhhaha. Wat.

by **Eastern Equestria** » Thu Dec 10, 2015 5:07 pm

Reagan-land wrote:I don't think Donald Trump is whining about being excluded from a country of liberals/left wingers/socialists whatever the brits call them, that are worse than the left wing politics present in america

Not to throw off your groove, but you're aware that Britain's government is controlled by conservatives, right?

by **Reagan-land** » Thu Dec 10, 2015 5:08 pm

Eastern Equestria wrote:
Reagan-land wrote:I don't think Donald Trump is whining about being excluded from a country of liberals/left wingers/socialists whatever the brits call them, that are worse than the left wing politics present in america

Not to throw off your groove, but you're aware that Britain's government is controlled by conservatives, right?

I don't know much about UK politics, but from what I have seen the left wing is going pretty strong

by **Eastern Equestria** » Thu Dec 10, 2015 5:11 pm

Reagan-land wrote:
Eastern Equestria wrote:
Not to throw off your groove, but you're aware that Britain's government is controlled by conservatives, right?

I don't know much about UK politics, but from what I have seen the left wing is going pretty strong

Stronger than it is here, but not strong enough to have won more Parliament seats than the Conservatives (though that's in large part due to their disproportionate voting system). But yeah, this isn't the place to be discussing this. There's a UK politics thread just over yonder if you're really interested in such things.

by **Soldati Senza Confini** » Thu Dec 10, 2015 5:12 pm

Reagan-land wrote:
Eastern Equestria wrote:
Not to throw off your groove, but you're aware that Britain's government is controlled by conservatives, right?

I don't know much about UK politics, but from what I have seen the left wing is going pretty strong

I think that what he is trying to say is that the UK is not liberal at all.

Which would be a fair assessment when you consider the fact we split from Britain because they were not liberal enough.

by **The Hobbesian Metaphysician** » Thu Dec 10, 2015 5:13 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:So? He's got money to burn. Doesn't mean successful

Indeed, being born with money does not mean one is successful.

Indeed death will come for them one day.

Money is utterly trivial in this continuing cosmic genocide.

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