Petition to ban Donald Trump from UK reaches 300,000

[Eastern Equestria]

How does it?

It turns the economy into worshipping a few large corps.

One of capitalism's central tenets is competitiveness in the marketplace. Oligopolies and Monopolies happen when this isn't enforced by the powers that be.

[Luminesa]

Trump just let out a kind of interesting response to being rebuked by Scottish politicians and educational institutions:

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-nor ... d-35060868

"I have done so much for Scotland, including building Trump International Golf Links, Scotland, which has received the highest accolades, and is what many believe to be one of the greatest golf courses anywhere in the world.

"Additionally, I have made a significant investment in the redevelopment of the iconic Turnberry Resort, which will have massive ballrooms, complete room refurbishments, a new golf course and a total rebuilding of the world famous Ailsa course to the highest standards and specifications of the Royal and Ancient.

"If they - Nicola Sturgeon and RGU - were going to do this, they should have informed me prior to my major investment in this £200m development, which will totally revitalise that vast region of Scotland.

"The UK politicians should be thanking me instead of pandering to political correctness."


He's still an ass, of course. But I do find it funny that the UK would consider banning Trump from their country whilst continuing to enjoy his golf resorts he invested millions into and still owns.

Those golf resorts have been nothing but shit for the local areas they were built in and the local people he stole off. Not many people get to enjoy golf resorts, anyway - perhaps the very rich. I find it difficult to express in words how irritatingly wrong he is on so many topics and so many points, largely because of his extreme arrogance and self-righteousness.

The walking embodiment of Narcissitic Personality Disorder. I think any psychologist who had to deal with him would most likely need a psychologist themselves, after dealing with him.

Heck, Dr. Carson's gonna need one after all the bashing Trump's been giving him over the last...how long, now? And yet people still think Trump is what this country needs.

The lack of logic is astonishing.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I think he will be elected to the Republican Candidacy. Those who decide to back him will remain backing him I suspect. I suspect he could narrowly beat Clinton, but Sanders would be a landslide for Sanders.

Nothing to mix up really. The failure of the conservative movement to represent an adequate opposition to the left wing agenda is what unites anti-SJW conservatives and anti-corporatist ones, etc.

You have to remember that the right wing things corporatism is a result of left wing politics.

I suppose it's failures all round then?

We'll agree to disagree on the election possibility since there's only one way to find out but I will say that I think you (and many others) may be overestimating the degree to which the electorate is tired of the establishment. Of course they are and I expect to see a lot more unrest in the next few years, particularly in young people (and perhaps the lower classes if there were any suitable movement for them to follow) but in the end I think we'll have a situation where nothing has truly changed - voters will get to the booth and think 'better the devil you know'. Perhaps I'm just being pessimistic, however.

Hell, most people don't even know what the fuck a SJW is.

As someone who is pretty old-fashioned I don't even see the problems both SJWs and anti-SJWs online as a big deal. I just say "fuck it, you might have a point, but things were worse in the past so what do you want? You want an utopia? Cause you're not gonna have an utopia".

I'd agree, but I'd just say that a lot of the anti-'SJW' hysteria is unwarranted and defensive. They're young and loud and feel (rightly in my opinion) that they live in an oppressive state, and they're trying to change it with their limited means. I don't think it's possible to live in a non-oppressive state (I don't even think we'd want to) because oppression is just prejudice hitting the big-time; human nature transposed on to national politics.

Indeed and you know what? Good for them that they want to change the world. My qualm with "SJWs" or, as I like to call them, the generation after me is that they believe everything should happen within their lifetime. That they have a right to have the things they demand right now. I have nothing against them wanting to make a better world, I have everything against them thinking they can achieve it in their lifetime and enjoy the rewards of their ideology.

Like I said, I'm old-fashioned, and I might be a millenial but I understand my role in the world with my ideals is not to change the world. My ideals and values are simply being left behind for what the teeny-boppers right now think are better values, and I have nothing against that, as that is what it was supposed to happen anyways, for them to learn from the fuck ups of prior generations, so I am perfectly fine in accepting the fact that people like me are phasing out faster than we probably should because we are barely one step ahead of the Gen Xers given we were born during the 80s, and therefore in the oldest bracket of millenials and the world during the 1990s was a very different world to be raised under than during the 2000s.

[Ugatoo]

Yes they are. In the West it is not immoral for women to wear revealing clothes, but in the Middle East it is.

You realise that's actually a very, very recent thing, yes?

You realize that it's longevity does nothing to change the subjectivity of morals right?

[Imperializt Russia]

You realise that's actually a very, very recent thing, yes?

You realize that it's longevity does nothing to change the subjectivity of morals right?

If anything it kind of enforces the point.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Those golf resorts have been nothing but shit for the local areas they were built in and the local people he stole off. Not many people get to enjoy golf resorts, anyway - perhaps the very rich. I find it difficult to express in words how irritatingly wrong he is on so many topics and so many points, largely because of his extreme arrogance and self-righteousness.

The walking embodiment of Narcissitic Personality Disorder. I think any psychologist who had to deal with him would most likely need a psychologist themselves, after dealing with him.

Heck, Dr. Carson's gonna need one after all the bashing Trump's been giving him over the last...how long, now? And yet people still think Trump is what this country needs.

The lack of logic is astonishing.

Like I was telling a friend the other day:

It's because he is an asshole, and he is unapologetic, that people flock to him. He's selling his followers a package hard to resist: A strong leader which is going to make America strong again in the world, bring back our paternalistic place in the world as it was our rightful place in the pre-Cold War era. In a country where we still venerate the 1800s and early 1900s as the apex of our country and we think everything is going downhill and we have become "soft", it makes sense.

[Thanatttynia]

It turns the economy into worshipping a few large corps.

One of capitalism's central tenets is competitiveness in the marketplace. Oligopolies and Monopolies happen when this isn't enforced by the powers that be.

That's the idea in theory but it's not really worked out so well, especially considering that capitalism in and of itself rewards those who can manage to establish for themselves oligopolies and monopolies. I find it confusing that communism is bashed because of its failed implementations in the former Soviet bloc and yet capitalism is all but praised and any alternative is laughed at or feared when capitalism has failed to for all intents and purposes the same extent as communism.

I suppose it's failures all round then?

We'll agree to disagree on the election possibility since there's only one way to find out but I will say that I think you (and many others) may be overestimating the degree to which the electorate is tired of the establishment. Of course they are and I expect to see a lot more unrest in the next few years, particularly in young people (and perhaps the lower classes if there were any suitable movement for them to follow) but in the end I think we'll have a situation where nothing has truly changed - voters will get to the booth and think 'better the devil you know'. Perhaps I'm just being pessimistic, however.



I'd agree, but I'd just say that a lot of the anti-'SJW' hysteria is unwarranted and defensive. They're young and loud and feel (rightly in my opinion) that they live in an oppressive state, and they're trying to change it with their limited means. I don't think it's possible to live in a non-oppressive state (I don't even think we'd want to) because oppression is just prejudice hitting the big-time; human nature transposed on to national politics.

Indeed and you know what? Good for them that they want to change the world. My qualm with "SJWs" or, as I like to call them, the generation after me is that they believe everything should happen within their lifetime. That they have a right to have the things they demand right now. I have nothing against them wanting to make a better world, I have everything against them thinking they can achieve it in their lifetime and enjoy the rewards of their ideology.

Like I said, I'm old-fashioned, and I might be a millenial but I understand my role in the world with my ideals is not to change the world. My ideals and values are simply being left behind for what the teeny-boppers right now think are better values, and I have nothing against that, as that is what it was supposed to happen anyways, for them to learn from the fuck ups of prior generations, so I am perfectly fine in accepting the fact that people like me are phasing out faster than we probably should because we are barely one step ahead of the Gen Xers.

Quite, quite, but as to your point about assuming (or hoping) things can change within one lifetime I don't suppose we can blame them for being hopeful and optimistic, especially as the oppressed groups they represent (or claim to) have been robbed of their basic rights for so long.

[Ugatoo]

I think Trump should aim higher than President, he should become King that way he'd be in charge of 53 nations instead of just 1.

[Eastern Equestria]

Nobody from the UK takes this petition seriously. If they are then they seriously misunderstand the petition process.

Nicola Sturgeon does, apparently.

Those golf resorts have been nothing but shit for the local areas they were built in and the local people he stole off. Not many people get to enjoy golf resorts, anyway - perhaps the very rich. I find it difficult to express in words how irritatingly wrong he is on so many topics and so many points, largely because of his extreme arrogance and self-righteousness.

Regardless, they're there and they're generating revenue, not least of all for himself. In the end, he still wins.

[Well what are they going to do?

Assuming they actually ban him (which would be stupid and I expect won't happen), just anything that doesn't make them look extremely hypocritical. One Scottish MP has already called for people to boycott his resorts.

[Imperializt Russia]

Really don't see any hypocrisy with a person having placed a business in a country and then gotten himself persona non grata status from that country unless the state decided to confiscate all profits of such a business or outright absorbed the business.

Selling it onto someone else I'd see as slightly less hypocritical but not by much, since that would also involve taking ownership of it.

[Hurdegaryp]

It seems that there are civilized places in the world.

Yeah, political intolerance is really civilized.

About as civilized as Nixon's tendency to make antisemitic jokes whenever Kissinger was around, because Nixon was a bit of an arse. Now you know what Nixon would do.

[Luminesa]

The walking embodiment of Narcissitic Personality Disorder. I think any psychologist who had to deal with him would most likely need a psychologist themselves, after dealing with him.

Heck, Dr. Carson's gonna need one after all the bashing Trump's been giving him over the last...how long, now? And yet people still think Trump is what this country needs.

The lack of logic is astonishing.

Like I was telling a friend the other day:

It's because he is an asshole, and he is unapologetic, that people flock to him. He's selling his followers a package hard to resist: A strong leader which is going to make America strong again in the world, bring back our paternalistic place in the world as it was our rightful place in the pre-Cold War era. In a country where we still venerate the 1800s and early 1900s as the apex of our country and we think everything is going downhill and we have become "soft", it makes sense.

Strong, loud, unapologetic, wants to make America great again?

And nobody nominated ME?!

[Hurdegaryp]

Like I was telling a friend the other day:

It's because he is an asshole, and he is unapologetic, that people flock to him. He's selling his followers a package hard to resist: A strong leader which is going to make America strong again in the world, bring back our paternalistic place in the world as it was our rightful place in the pre-Cold War era. In a country where we still venerate the 1800s and early 1900s as the apex of our country and we think everything is going downhill and we have become "soft", it makes sense.

Strong, loud, unapologetic, wants to make America great again?

And nobody nominated ME?!

Sorry, still too intelligent to become a presidential candidate for the Republicans.

[Kauthar]

Strong, loud, unapologetic, wants to make America great again?

And nobody nominated ME?!

Sorry, still too intelligent to become a presidential candidate for the Republicans.

Because any of the democrats and libertarians are any smarter

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Sorry, still too intelligent to become a presidential candidate for the Republicans.

Because any of the democrats and libertarians are any smarter

To be fair to all parties involved, at least none of the other candidates think our country is in the shitter just because this is not the 1920s.

I have qualms with all of them, but one thing I have to give to them is that they're not spelling doom and gloom for current times and that we should wind back the clock.

[Hurdegaryp]

Sorry, still too intelligent to become a presidential candidate for the Republicans.

Because any of the democrats and libertarians are any smarter

Yes, actually. Even the libertarians! Not that this is a colossal task to undertake, mind you.

[Luminesa]

Strong, loud, unapologetic, wants to make America great again?

And nobody nominated ME?!

Sorry, still too intelligent to become a presidential candidate for the Republicans.

What if I become the coolest Independent to ever run? Like, so cool Ron Paul goes all, "OH MY GOSH LUMINESA YOU ARE SO COOL!!!"

And I'm like, "I know right?"

[Hurdegaryp]

Sorry, still too intelligent to become a presidential candidate for the Republicans.

What if I become the coolest Independent to ever run? Like, so cool Ron Paul goes all, "OH MY GOSH LUMINESA YOU ARE SO COOL!!!"

And I'm like, "I know right?"

Sounds about right, I'm afraid. Years ago, hordes of libertarian Redditors were dead certain that Ron Paul was going to become the president. The ultimate president, even! Didn't exactly work out the way they hoped, even though they were so extremely certain of victory.

[Eastern Equestria]

One of capitalism's central tenets is competitiveness in the marketplace. Oligopolies and Monopolies happen when this isn't enforced by the powers that be.

That's the idea in theory but it's not really worked out so well, especially considering that capitalism in and of itself rewards those who can manage to establish for themselves oligopolies and monopolies. I find it confusing that communism is bashed because of its failed implementations in the former Soviet bloc and yet capitalism is all but praised and any alternative is laughed at or feared when capitalism has failed to for all intents and purposes the same extent as communism.

Probably because capitalism has shown to be successful and beneficial to society as a whole in places where it hasn't been allowed to run amok. (Actual) Communism, meanwhile, is incompatible with our modern nation-state system. Therefore we can't tell whether it really works or not. And there's the fact that many, if not most, of the state actors operating under the label of communism were/are as shitty as the capitalists they claim to be freeing the world from. This is all really off-topic, though.

Really don't see any hypocrisy with a person having placed a business in a country and then gotten himself persona non grata status from that country unless the state decided to confiscate all profits of such a business or outright absorbed the business.

Selling it onto someone else I'd see as slightly less hypocritical but not by much, since that would also involve taking ownership of it.

Perhaps hypocritical isn't the right word. I just thought it funny how they can't stand him but can his resorts. But that was before I learned that there have been calls by influential Scots to boycott them. Whatever, none of this will probably come to fruition.

[Luminesa]

What if I become the coolest Independent to ever run? Like, so cool Ron Paul goes all, "OH MY GOSH LUMINESA YOU ARE SO COOL!!!"

And I'm like, "I know right?"

Sounds about right, I'm afraid. Years ago, hordes of libertarian Redditors were dead certain that Ron Paul was going to become the president. The ultimate president, even! Didn't exactly work out the way they hoped, even though they were so extremely certain of victory.

And so Obama won. Because Ron Paul wouldn't drop-out of the race, and the vote was split.

Imma be completely honest, Mitt Romney was not the ideal candidate I'd want, but I'm just saying...Ron Paul did something stupid by splitting the vote.

[Hurdegaryp]

Sounds about right, I'm afraid. Years ago, hordes of libertarian Redditors were dead certain that Ron Paul was going to become the president. The ultimate president, even! Didn't exactly work out the way they hoped, even though they were so extremely certain of victory.

And so Obama won. Because Ron Paul wouldn't drop-out of the race, and the vote was split.

Imma be completely honest, Mitt Romney was not the ideal candidate I'd want, but I'm just saying...Ron Paul did something stupid by splitting the vote.

Serves the USA right for being a two party state.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Sounds about right, I'm afraid. Years ago, hordes of libertarian Redditors were dead certain that Ron Paul was going to become the president. The ultimate president, even! Didn't exactly work out the way they hoped, even though they were so extremely certain of victory.

And so Obama won. Because Ron Paul wouldn't drop-out of the race, and the vote was split.

Imma be completely honest, Mitt Romney was not the ideal candidate I'd want, but I'm just saying...Ron Paul did something stupid by splitting the vote.

I think Trump is going to achieve the same thing Ron Paul did from recent talks of him splitting off of the Republican primaries.

My opinion on that is: if people are stupid enough to follow that blowhard they deserve every single bit of bitter defeat they get. I understand Republicans may not like it, but at least we get to test whether the bigots can truly stand in a country like the U.S.

[Eastern Equestria]

Sounds about right, I'm afraid. Years ago, hordes of libertarian Redditors were dead certain that Ron Paul was going to become the president. The ultimate president, even! Didn't exactly work out the way they hoped, even though they were so extremely certain of victory.

And so Obama won. Because Ron Paul wouldn't drop-out of the race, and the vote was split.

Imma be completely honest, Mitt Romney was not the ideal candidate I'd want, but I'm just saying...Ron Paul did something stupid by splitting the vote.

We had a chance. Had.

[Luminesa]

And so Obama won. Because Ron Paul wouldn't drop-out of the race, and the vote was split.

Imma be completely honest, Mitt Romney was not the ideal candidate I'd want, but I'm just saying...Ron Paul did something stupid by splitting the vote.

Serves the USA right for being a two party state.

This is what happens when you don't listen to George Washington! BAD THINGS HAPPEN!!!

LIKE TRUMP RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES!!!

[Minoa]

459,081 signatures so far.

The suggestion by Trump of forcing Muslim Americans to register in a database and wear a special form of identification is what crossed the line in my opinion.