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[Allanea]

If, in some insane universe, Putin doesn't run, a "successor" candidate will be wheeled out and the entirety of the "administrative resource" put behind that guy.

[Ardoki]

What makes you think that Putin won't run?

He hasn't specifically stated he would, and there's been rumors about it for awhile. He probably will, but I still speculate nonetheless.

Putin has to run, or else he will be the victim of the next Russian dictator.

[Rassilonomegia]

LOL. Zhirinovsky isn't liberal, he only named his party "liberal" He is a maniac-dictator who wants bloody war. I think that it is necessary to explain that in topic for people from other countries.

[Mahdistan]

LOL. Zhirinovsky isn't liberal, he only named his party "liberal" He is a maniac-dictator who wants bloody war. I think that it is necessary to explain that in topic for people from other countries.

I explain in the O.P. his basic stances, which make that pretty obvious, but I may later add descriptions of the parties there as well.

He hasn't specifically stated he would, and there's been rumors about it for awhile. He probably will, but I still speculate nonetheless.

Putin has to run, or else he will be the victim of the next Russian dictator.

Not everyone's running to be authoritarian. Prokhorov is maybe a step away from being classical liberal.

[Rassilonomegia]

I would vote for Yavlinsky, he is only one from normal opposition who didn't resigned or killed. In 90s, he created a reform project named "500 days", but this project was not accepted. A lot of people thinks that declining of "500 days" wasn't right. I think that if Yavlinsky can add some new project to solve some problems in Russia, if he became a president.

[Rassilonomegia]

https://www.rt.com/politics/334504-veteran-russian-liberal-vows-to/

Here's Yalinsky talking about his hopes for his run. I still think that regardless of what the economy does, the Russian people will be united under Putin, but if Putin decides not to run, it's anyone's game. I predict that in the case of Putin dropping out, the real race would be Zyuganov vs. Prokhorov vs. Medvedev, with Zyuganov winning. Any other predictions?

Huh, you really don't know how it deals in Russia. Don't read or watch RT, this is governmental tv-channel that consists only propaganda and putin's opinion. Zyuganov and Prokhorov betrays their political opinions and becames the putin's puppets. In our country there is a lot of simulation of opposition. Putin uses Zyuganov, Zhirinovsky, Medvedev, Prokhorov and others. Russians law says : President cannot rules a country more than two times WITHOUT a brake. When putin's time I gone, he uses his puppets to control Russia while for a some time. When this puppets is gone, Putin can came back and control country two times. Real opposition is Nemtsov(now killed by putin's killers), Kasyanov(but he is very bad leader, we named him "Mickey-2%"), Yavlinsky and Navaly

[Mahdistan]

https://www.rt.com/politics/334504-veteran-russian-liberal-vows-to/

Here's Yalinsky talking about his hopes for his run. I still think that regardless of what the economy does, the Russian people will be united under Putin, but if Putin decides not to run, it's anyone's game. I predict that in the case of Putin dropping out, the real race would be Zyuganov vs. Prokhorov vs. Medvedev, with Zyuganov winning. Any other predictions?

Huh, you really don't know how it deals in Russia. Don't read or watch RT, this is governmental tv-channel that consists only propaganda and putin's opinion. Zyuganov and Prokhorov betrays their political opinions and becames the putin's puppets. In our country there is a lot of simulation of opposition. Putin uses Zyuganov, Zhirinovsky, Medvedev, Prokhorov and others. Russians law says : President cannot rules a country more than two times WITHOUT a brake. When putin's time I gone, he uses his puppets to control Russia while for a some time. When this puppets is gone, Putin can came back and control country two times. Real opposition is Nemtsov(now killed by putin's killers), Kasyanov(but he is very bad leader, we named him "Mickey-2%"), Yavlinsky and Navaly

I can only know what I'm told unfortunately, but perhaps Putin holding control over the country like that is not a bad thing? Considering that from what I've seen, a lot of Russians are becoming quite radical nationalists, but it seems Putin provides balance and prevents these people from taking over and starting a real genocide. But even with these people as his puppets, what disadvantage would he have to let them run a legitimate race? If they're all in his pocket, it would seem easier to just let the victory be determined by Russian votes than to directly rig the election, so long as oppositionists were kept down.

But that aside, I fear Yalinsky would sell out Russia to the European Union, and play the country directly into American hands. Other than this, he seems a decent leader. What's his stance on homosexuals?

[Allanea]

There's no nationalist group in Russia advocating any kind of genocide. Even guys like Prosvirnin advocate.... Free elections! Free speech!

[Rassilonomegia]

Huh, you really don't know how it deals in Russia. Don't read or watch RT, this is governmental tv-channel that consists only propaganda and putin's opinion. Zyuganov and Prokhorov betrays their political opinions and becames the putin's puppets. In our country there is a lot of simulation of opposition. Putin uses Zyuganov, Zhirinovsky, Medvedev, Prokhorov and others. Russians law says : President cannot rules a country more than two times WITHOUT a brake. When putin's time I gone, he uses his puppets to control Russia while for a some time. When this puppets is gone, Putin can came back and control country two times. Real opposition is Nemtsov(now killed by putin's killers), Kasyanov(but he is very bad leader, we named him "Mickey-2%"), Yavlinsky and Navaly

I can only know what I'm told unfortunately, but perhaps Putin holding control over the country like that is not a bad thing? Considering that from what I've seen, a lot of Russians are becoming quite radical nationalists, but it seems Putin provides balance and prevents these people from taking over and starting a real genocide. But even with these people as his puppets, what disadvantage would he have to let them run a legitimate race? If they're all in his pocket, it would seem easier to just let the victory be determined by Russian votes than to directly rig the election, so long as oppositionists were kept down.

But that aside, I fear Yalinsky would sell out Russia to the European Union, and play the country directly into American hands. Other than this, he seems a decent leader. What's his stance on homosexuals?

Nationlism is a very big problem in Russia. One week ago, maniac women cut off the head of 4-years old girl and walks around the Moscow with head of this child. Just because this girl not from her folk. After that, no one believes that Putin can stop the nationalism.

As for Yavlinsky, I don't believe him to but there is no choice. Or Putin, or pro-EU opposition, or Nazis like Limonov. If Nemtsov was alive, I would voted for Nemtsov, and never think about voting for Yavlinsky

Yavlinsky never speaks about his opinion to homosexualists, but in his party there are some lgbt-activists.

[Allanea]

Are you actually posting from Russia?

[Rassilonomegia]

Are you actually posting from Russia?

Yes, From Sheksna, small town in north-western part of Russia.

[World Anarchic Union]

Inform if I am wrong but from what I have seen both Zyuganov and the "Communist Party" are puppets of Putin and his regime and Christian conservatives.

The only coalition of parties, even though it isn't registered and I am not even sure if it exists still, which I could support is the Left Front. Although as I stated, I don't even know if it still exists. The Wikipedia page of it seems a bit sketchy.

[Rassilonomegia]

Inform if I am wrong but from what I have seen both Zyuganov and the "Communist Party" are puppets of Putin and his regime and Christian conservatives.

The only coalition of parties, even though it isn't registered and I am not even sure if it exists still, which I could support is the Left Front. Although as I stated, I don't even know if it still exists. The Wikipedia page of it seems a bit sketchy.

As we says in Russia, "There is no communists in our communistic party". Zuganov is Christian, yes.
As for REAL communists, they are unpopular now, because Putin uses all his propaganda that people thinks that he can build a better country than Soviet Union. Real communists have VERY small political parties, and now we don't know what happens on the next elections(Making your own party was prohibited from middle of 90s to 2010s and when this prohibition was cancelled, a hundreds of parties appears and prepares for next elections to Gosduma(Russian parliament)).

[Rassilonomegia]

Inform if I am wrong but from what I have seen both Zyuganov and the "Communist Party" are puppets of Putin and his regime and Christian conservatives.

The only coalition of parties, even though it isn't registered and I am not even sure if it exists still, which I could support is the Left Front. Although as I stated, I don't even know if it still exists. The Wikipedia page of it seems a bit sketchy.

And also, much of pro-communist people don't realize what communism is. Many people thinks that communism is: Stalin, Army, low prices, free flats and good movies. Some people tries to include Stalin into Christianity - idea of "Saint Joseph Stalin" became popular

[United Marxist Nations]

He hasn't specifically stated he would, and there's been rumors about it for awhile. He probably will, but I still speculate nonetheless.

Putin has to run, or else he will be the victim of the next Russian dictator.

WHY, ARDOKI?! WHY WOULD SOMEONE KILL THE MOST POPULAR FIGURE IN RUSSIA WHEN HE WOULD BE RETIRED?! THAT WOULD THE DUMBEST FUCKING POLITICAL MOVE ONE COULD POSSIBLY MAKE!

[United Marxist Nations]

Inform if I am wrong but from what I have seen both Zyuganov and the "Communist Party" are puppets of Putin and his regime and Christian conservatives.

The only coalition of parties, even though it isn't registered and I am not even sure if it exists still, which I could support is the Left Front. Although as I stated, I don't even know if it still exists. The Wikipedia page of it seems a bit sketchy.

The Communist Party doesn't even acknowledge Putin's last election as being legitimate, IIRC. If anything, they are more opposed to Putin than any opposition Party in the West is opposed to the ruling Party.

[Panslavicland]

The only way for Russia to have good relations with the US in my view, is for Donald Trump to win in November of 2016. All of the other GOP candidates and Hillary Clinton have an anti-Russia foreign policy. With Trump, the US could be willing to not interfere in Syria whatsoever.

Pretty sure that Sanders can manage it. Clinton cannot, but then again, what can she manage?

Yes, I'm sure the candidate who calls for Russian government assets to be frozen, wants international businesses to divest from Russia and thinks their should be sanctions against Russian leaders for trying to prevent ethnic cleansing in Ukraine will do a brilliant job improving relations between Russia and the US.

[Rassilonomegia]

Inform if I am wrong but from what I have seen both Zyuganov and the "Communist Party" are puppets of Putin and his regime and Christian conservatives.

The only coalition of parties, even though it isn't registered and I am not even sure if it exists still, which I could support is the Left Front. Although as I stated, I don't even know if it still exists. The Wikipedia page of it seems a bit sketchy.

The Communist Party doesn't even acknowledge Putin's last election as being legitimate, IIRC. If anything, they are more opposed to Putin than any opposition Party in the West is opposed to the ruling Party.

You maybe says about other party, in Russia there is a Lot of communistic parties. Zyuganov's party loves Putin so much. Last time, Zyuganov takes part in pro-Putin's Rally...With the Zhirinovsky, Prokhorov, and other "Opposition".

[United Marxist Nations]

The Communist Party doesn't even acknowledge Putin's last election as being legitimate, IIRC. If anything, they are more opposed to Putin than any opposition Party in the West is opposed to the ruling Party.

You maybe says about other party, in Russia there is a Lot of communistic parties. Zyuganov's party loves Putin so much. Last time, Zyuganov takes part in pro-Putin's Rally...With the Zhirinovsky, Prokhorov, and other "Opposition".

When?

[Shofercia]

https://www.rt.com/politics/334504-veteran-russian-liberal-vows-to/

Here's Yalinsky talking about his hopes for his run. I still think that regardless of what the economy does, the Russian people will be united under Putin, but if Putin decides not to run, it's anyone's game. I predict that in the case of Putin dropping out, the real race would be Zyuganov vs. Prokhorov vs. Medvedev, with Zyuganov winning. Any other predictions?

It doesn't matter if Putin runs or not, whomever is the nominee from United Russia will be elected on Putin's coattails.

I would vote for Yavlinsky, he is only one from normal opposition who didn't resigned or killed. In 90s, he created a reform project named "500 days", but this project was not accepted. A lot of people thinks that declining of "500 days" wasn't right. I think that if Yavlinsky can add some new project to solve some problems in Russia, if he became a president.

He can start by learning to build a proper campaign network in at least 3 cities.

I can only know what I'm told unfortunately, but perhaps Putin holding control over the country like that is not a bad thing? Considering that from what I've seen, a lot of Russians are becoming quite radical nationalists, but it seems Putin provides balance and prevents these people from taking over and starting a real genocide. But even with these people as his puppets, what disadvantage would he have to let them run a legitimate race? If they're all in his pocket, it would seem easier to just let the victory be determined by Russian votes than to directly rig the election, so long as oppositionists were kept down.

But that aside, I fear Yalinsky would sell out Russia to the European Union, and play the country directly into American hands. Other than this, he seems a decent leader. What's his stance on homosexuals?

Nationlism is a very big problem in Russia. One week ago, maniac women cut off the head of 4-years old girl and walks around the Moscow with head of this child. Just because this girl not from her folk. After that, no one believes that Putin can stop the nationalism.

As for Yavlinsky, I don't believe him to but there is no choice. Or Putin, or pro-EU opposition, or Nazis like Limonov. If Nemtsov was alive, I would voted for Nemtsov, and never think about voting for Yavlinsky

Yavlinsky never speaks about his opinion to homosexualists, but in his party there are some lgbt-activists.

She's going to end up in prison/psychiatric ward for life, simply because Russia doesn't have the death penalty. Her race/ethnicity/nationalism had nothing to do with the incident. Pissed off whacko minority wannabe cuts of head of kid from majority ethnos' kid. Presenting this as nationalism is stupid.

[Shofercia]

Inform if I am wrong but from what I have seen both Zyuganov and the "Communist Party" are puppets of Putin and his regime and Christian conservatives.

The only coalition of parties, even though it isn't registered and I am not even sure if it exists still, which I could support is the Left Front. Although as I stated, I don't even know if it still exists. The Wikipedia page of it seems a bit sketchy.

You are wrong. They're not puppets. It's just that Zyuganov is an ineffective leader who refuses to give up power and that hurts the party's growth.

Putin has to run, or else he will be the victim of the next Russian dictator.

WHY, ARDOKI?! WHY WOULD SOMEONE KILL THE MOST POPULAR FIGURE IN RUSSIA WHEN HE WOULD BE RETIRED?! THAT WOULD THE DUMBEST FUCKING POLITICAL MOVE ONE COULD POSSIBLY MAKE!

Because Ardoki said so. Duh!

Pretty sure that Sanders can manage it. Clinton cannot, but then again, what can she manage?

Yes, I'm sure the candidate who calls for Russian government assets to be frozen, wants international businesses to divest from Russia and thinks their should be sanctions against Russian leaders for trying to prevent ethnic cleansing in Ukraine will do a brilliant job improving relations between Russia and the US.

In Russia there's a saying: "it is not bad to want". In order to carry out his Social Rights program in the US, Sanders would need to pull US out of foreign entanglements, which would be impossible without Russian support. And as conditions of said support, Russia can say that assets must be unfrozen, businesses must not be sanctioned, etc, etc, etc. Sanders isn't going to give up his domestic program to go after Russia. He's not going to repeat LBJ's mistake.

[Geilinor]

In Russia there's a saying: "it is not bad to want". In order to carry out his Social Rights program in the US, Sanders would need to pull US out of foreign entanglements, which would be impossible without Russian support. And as conditions of said support, Russia can say that assets must be unfrozen, businesses must not be sanctioned, etc, etc, etc. Sanders isn't going to give up his domestic program to go after Russia. He's not going to repeat LBJ's mistake.

Sanders won't sell out to Russia to get his domestic policies passed. I don't think he would accept those conditions.

[Shofercia]

In Russia there's a saying: "it is not bad to want". In order to carry out his Social Rights program in the US, Sanders would need to pull US out of foreign entanglements, which would be impossible without Russian support. And as conditions of said support, Russia can say that assets must be unfrozen, businesses must not be sanctioned, etc, etc, etc. Sanders isn't going to give up his domestic program to go after Russia. He's not going to repeat LBJ's mistake.

Sanders won't sell out to Russia to get his domestic policies passed. I don't think he would accept those conditions.

Treating a country like an equal partner = selling out? Being consistent = selling out?

[Geilinor]

Sanders won't sell out to Russia to get his domestic policies passed. I don't think he would accept those conditions.

Treating a country like an equal partner = selling out? Being consistent = selling out?

Dropping the sanctions and doing whatever Russia wants is.

[Shofercia]

Let me expand a bit on Sanders and Russia. There are two major issues between Russia and the US, namely Ukraine and Syria. On the issue of Syria, Sanders already stated that he prefers diplomacy. As did most of NATO after Erdogan's antics. I'm just not seeing Sanders risking a Middle Eastern War in Syria to support Erdogan's aggression. Yes, yes, other are aggressive too, but everyone else will compromise.

Next up, Ukraine. Sanders stands for the exact opposite policies that Ukraine's Oligarchs stand for. And yes, Poroshenko is an oligarch. Furthermore, Crimea was annexed with popular support. DonBas probably has popular support for annexation as well. This means that Sanders is going to have to go against the people, in favor of the Oligarchs, if he wants to challenge Putin on Ukraine. Again, I'm not seeing that.

http://sputniknews.com/politics/2016021 ... ition.html

WASHINGTON (Sputnik) — The United States should maintain its commitment to protect the nations of Eastern Europe against Russia through the NATO alliance, Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders stated in a nationally televised debate.
"The president is right, we have to protect Eastern Europe against any kind of Russian aggression," Sanders said in his debate with former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton in Milwaukee, Wisconsin on Thursday night: "Russia's aggressive actions in Crimea and Ukraine have brought about increased tensions in Europe," Sanders noted, adding that he supported President Barack Obama commitment to increasing the power of NATO.

Sanders pledged that Russian president Vladimir Putin "is not going to get away with aggressive action" in Europe or elsewhere.
However, Sanders also said the United States had to focus on improving its relations with Russia. "We have got to do our best to develop positive relations with Russia… It is a complicated relationship," he suggested. Sanders so far has confounded expectation by achieving a virtual tie with Clinton in the Iowa caucuses and beating her by a margin of more than 20 points in the New Hampshire primary on Tuesday. Russia has repeatedly refuted any allegations of aggressive actions and interference in its neighbor’s affairs. Moreover, Russian officials have warned that the amassing of troops and weapons by the United States and NATO on Russia’s borders are provocative acts contrary to previous agreements and can destabilize the region.

Personally, I think that Sanders is just ignorant of how corrupt and cretinistic the current leaders of Ukraine are. Once he finds out the truth, he'll shift closer to Russia.

https://www.rt.com/usa/322770-sanders-d ... alism-fdr/

What is Democratic socialism? Bernie Sanders, often criticized for endorsing this political philosophy, explained that his view is in sync with America’s development. He also called for shifting foreign policy and creating a “new NATO” including Russia.
Senator Bernie Sanders (I-Vermont) spoke in front of an auditorium full of supporters at Georgetown University on Thursday, arguing that his endorsement of the much-vaunted political philosophy of democratic socialism makes him the genuine heir to long-held traditions of the Democratic Party, not a radical. In doing this, he invoked the name of President Franklin D. Roosevelt, whom Sanders said initiated programs to secure the middle class with New Deal programs.