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[Bojikami]

Privyet! I did not know this thread existed.

[Shofercia]

Privyet! I did not know this thread existed.

How'd you get the nick Rainbow Stalin?

[Robert Bork]

Take it easy.

My good man, I am quite relaxed. I am just proving it to you, initially through sarcasm and now through direct statement, that the power of three does not always, and not even usually, denote anger. Don't get mad, get:

asdsd

You don't have to prove anything to anybody else. Just be you, albeit less angry.

[Shofercia]

My good man, I am quite relaxed. I am just proving it to you, initially through sarcasm and now through direct statement, that the power of three does not always, and not even usually, denote anger. Don't get mad, get:

asdsd

You don't have to prove anything to anybody else. Just be you, albeit less angry.

Awww, you deleted my spoiler. Bad Bork. Bad!

[Robert Bork]

You don't have to prove anything to anybody else. Just be you, albeit less angry.

Awww, you deleted my spoiler. Bad Bork. Bad!

That's what the Judiciary Committee said.

[Shofercia]

Awww, you deleted my spoiler. Bad Bork. Bad!

That's what the Judiciary Committee said.

And thus you were borked.

[Ghatawerpya]

Donbass rebels can be male or female. Which is why I used the singular they.


Hey that's like what happened to the Georgians living in the Kodori Gorge. Do you admit that Abkhazia committed ethnic cleansing (in the last decade) now?

As was explained to you numerous fucking times, the Georgians were military. Not civilian. Do you seriously not grasp the difference between the two? Georgia's military was outmaneuvered and forced to retreat/surrender. Georgian civilians were largely unharmed.

The census from last time was done in 2002, which was four years before 2006. In 2006 the local militia which defended Kodori earlier was replaced by Georgian military. Therefor the census from 2002 shows the population of Kodori minus the two thousand soldiers present there during 2008.

[Shofercia]

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As was explained to you numerous fucking times, the Georgians were military. Not civilian. Do you seriously not grasp the difference between the two? Georgia's military was outmaneuvered and forced to retreat/surrender. Georgian civilians were largely unharmed.

The census from last time was done in 2002, which was four years before 2006. In 2006 the local militia which defended Kodori earlier was replaced by Georgian military. Therefor the census from 2002 shows the population of Kodori minus the two thousand soldiers present there during 2008.

Dude, you got creamed in that argument, why are you here for seconds?

No, it's nothing like that. I'm not mocking the Georgians who were forcibly removed from Abkhazia in the 1990s. I am mocking your asinine claim of ethnic cleansing in the Kodori Gorge in August of 2008, one that never actually took place. You don't seriously expect to get caught make up ethnic cleansing, Ghatawerpya, without any consequences, do you? You do understand that there's a difference between mocking an entire ethnicity and mocking an asinine assertion, right?

Let's recap what I'm mocking, shall we?

Me: 2) Source that most of the Georgian civilians in [Kodori] fled; obviously the military fled, they lost the war, but I'm just not seeing the value of chasing out civvies out of a sparsely populated area
You: 130-170 people were living in Kodori in 2009, in comparison to 2,000 before the war.
Me: The 2,000 were military, they lost so they fled. Additionally, The Abkhaz local administration stated that the number of inhabitants in the upper Kodori valley had decreased from the 170 previously reported to 130 by late March owing to winter conditions, which was confirmed by the International Committee of the Red Cross.

So yes, Ghatawerpya, I will continue to mock your made up ethnic cleansing as long as you continue to make idiotically doltish posts, like the one that I was responding to: Assad's government buys a fair amount of ISIS's oil I believe.

While I certainly cannot change your faith into nonexistent bullshit, be it the "great Kodori ethnic cleansing of 2008" or Assad buying oil from the group that's trying to wipe him out, I can point out that those are extraordinarily stupid statements to make.

Maybe between 2002 and 2008 some of the people left. The point is that the Abkhaz local administration stated that the number of inhabitants in the upper Kodori valley had decreased from the 170 previously reported to 130 by late March owing to winter conditions, which was confirmed by the International Committee of the Red Cross.

So really, you're asking us to take your word over that of the ICRC? Really?

[Ghatawerpya]

The census from last time was done in 2002, which was four years before 2006. In 2006 the local militia which defended Kodori earlier was replaced by Georgian military. Therefor the census from 2002 shows the population of Kodori minus the two thousand soldiers present there during 2008.

Dude, you got creamed in that argument, why are you here for seconds?

No, it's nothing like that. I'm not mocking the Georgians who were forcibly removed from Abkhazia in the 1990s. I am mocking your asinine claim of ethnic cleansing in the Kodori Gorge in August of 2008, one that never actually took place. You don't seriously expect to get caught make up ethnic cleansing, Ghatawerpya, without any consequences, do you? You do understand that there's a difference between mocking an entire ethnicity and mocking an asinine assertion, right?

Let's recap what I'm mocking, shall we?

Me: 2) Source that most of the Georgian civilians in [Kodori] fled; obviously the military fled, they lost the war, but I'm just not seeing the value of chasing out civvies out of a sparsely populated area
You: 130-170 people were living in Kodori in 2009, in comparison to 2,000 before the war.
Me: The 2,000 were military, they lost so they fled. Additionally, The Abkhaz local administration stated that the number of inhabitants in the upper Kodori valley had decreased from the 170 previously reported to 130 by late March owing to winter conditions, which was confirmed by the International Committee of the Red Cross.

So yes, Ghatawerpya, I will continue to mock your made up ethnic cleansing as long as you continue to make idiotically doltish posts, like the one that I was responding to: Assad's government buys a fair amount of ISIS's oil I believe.

While I certainly cannot change your faith into nonexistent bullshit, be it the "great Kodori ethnic cleansing of 2008" or Assad buying oil from the group that's trying to wipe him out, I can point out that those are extraordinarily stupid statements to make.

Maybe between 2002 and 2008 some of the people left. The point is that the Abkhaz local administration stated that the number of inhabitants in the upper Kodori valley had decreased from the 170 previously reported to 130 by late March owing to winter conditions, which was confirmed by the International Committee of the Red Cross.

So really, you're asking us to take your word over that of the ICRC? Really?

The UN report does not specify that the estimate of 170 people was made before the violence began.

Also.

The former school in Kutaisi is now temporary home to 276 families from Kodori. What food they have is provided to them by the UN and is mainly bread, cereals and canned meat.

I suppose 40 people can equal 276 families.

[Bojikami]

Privyet! I did not know this thread existed.

How'd you get the nick Rainbow Stalin?

Because I am pro-LGBT and Pro-Stalin.

And because of an internet meme some have began to associate me with.

[Shofercia]

Dude, you got creamed in that argument, why are you here for seconds?



Maybe between 2002 and 2008 some of the people left. The point is that the Abkhaz local administration stated that the number of inhabitants in the upper Kodori valley had decreased from the 170 previously reported to 130 by late March owing to winter conditions, which was confirmed by the International Committee of the Red Cross.

So really, you're asking us to take your word over that of the ICRC? Really?

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The UN report does not specify that the estimate of 170 people was made before the violence began.

Also.

The former school in Kutaisi is now temporary home to 276 families from Kodori. What food they have is provided to them by the UN and is mainly bread, cereals and canned meat.

I suppose 40 people can equal 276 families.

Since I cited the ICRC and the UNHCR, can I get an equally good source? For instance: The authorities in Abkhazia, whose independence is recognised by Russia but by no other countries in Europe, say it is safe for the refugees to go home. But the United Nations has advised them not to and, since the high passes are closed by snow for eight months of the year, they would struggle to do so anyhow.

Can I get a source for the underlined? I mean if you're going to post things that source nothing and made shit up, why can't 40 people equal 276 families? I'm just asking, because the actual UNHCR report says the opposite: http://www.unhcr.org/5385a0779.html

But apparently Ghatawerpya knows more about the UNHCR, then the UNHCR, at least in his mind.

[Shofercia]

How'd you get the nick Rainbow Stalin?

Because I am pro-LGBT and Pro-Stalin.

And because of an internet meme some have began to associate me with.

Rainbow Purge Tesak! That's awesome

[Ghatawerpya]

The UN report does not specify that the estimate of 170 people was made before the violence began.

Also.

The former school in Kutaisi is now temporary home to 276 families from Kodori. What food they have is provided to them by the UN and is mainly bread, cereals and canned meat.

I suppose 40 people can equal 276 families.

Since I cited the ICRC and the UNHCR, can I get an equally good source? For instance: The authorities in Abkhazia, whose independence is recognised by Russia but by no other countries in Europe, say it is safe for the refugees to go home. But the United Nations has advised them not to and, since the high passes are closed by snow for eight months of the year, they would struggle to do so anyhow.

Can I get a source for the underlined? I mean if you're going to post things that source nothing and made shit up, why can't 40 people equal 276 families? I'm just asking, because the actual UNHCR report says the opposite: http://www.unhcr.org/5385a0779.html

But apparently Ghatawerpya knows more about the UNHCR, then the UNHCR, at least in his mind.

Are you satisfied?

[Utilitarian Garibaldi]

If I were a Ruskie I'd vote for Zhirinovsky. The liberals wont win, so no use trying. Just accelerate the system's eventual demise by electing the dumbest toadie.

[Juanoia]

Putin's abusing his power, Zhirinovsky's a weird bloke, Shoygu will probably just be Putin's puppet, and I don't see the reasoning of bringing back a failed system (Communism) to a country devastated by its results with Zyuganov.

[Diopolis]

Putin. The other candidates are either far too liberal or unsavory.

[United Marxist Nations]

Putin's abusing his power, Zhirinovsky's a weird bloke, Shoygu will probably just be Putin's puppet, and I don't see the reasoning of bringing back a failed system (Communism) to a country devastated by its results with Zyuganov.

Russia under the USSR was better than it is today.

[Roski]

Putin's abusing his power, Zhirinovsky's a weird bloke, Shoygu will probably just be Putin's puppet, and I don't see the reasoning of bringing back a failed system (Communism) to a country devastated by its results with Zyuganov.

Russia under the USSR was better than it is today.

If you lived in Moscow, St. Petersburg, and Volgograd, maybe.

[United Marxist Nations]

Russia under the USSR was better than it is today.

If you lived in Moscow, St. Petersburg, and Volgograd, maybe.

Or any major city, really.

[Juanoia]

Putin's abusing his power, Zhirinovsky's a weird bloke, Shoygu will probably just be Putin's puppet, and I don't see the reasoning of bringing back a failed system (Communism) to a country devastated by its results with Zyuganov.

Russia under the USSR was better than it is today.

Yes, food shortages, corrupt bureaucracy, secret police, and a complete restriction of individual rights were quite amazing.

[United Marxist Nations]

Russia under the USSR was better than it is today.

Yes, food shortages, corrupt bureaucracy, secret police, and a complete restriction of individual rights were quite amazing.

Yet, death rates, unemployment rates, and homeless rates were lower.

[Shofercia]

Since I cited the ICRC and the UNHCR, can I get an equally good source? For instance: The authorities in Abkhazia, whose independence is recognised by Russia but by no other countries in Europe, say it is safe for the refugees to go home. But the United Nations has advised them not to and, since the high passes are closed by snow for eight months of the year, they would struggle to do so anyhow.

Can I get a source for the underlined? I mean if you're going to post things that source nothing and made shit up, why can't 40 people equal 276 families? I'm just asking, because the actual UNHCR report says the opposite: http://www.unhcr.org/5385a0779.html

But apparently Ghatawerpya knows more about the UNHCR, then the UNHCR, at least in his mind.

Are you satisfied?

Not particularly, since it was already established that less than a 1000 were actual civilians via previous sources, and that UN Report dated back to September 9th, 2008. The more updated version shows that Georgians and/or Svans are back in Kodori Gorge, which was confirmed by the ICRC. Furthermore, the UNHCR reports don't mention Svans after 2011, and generally speaking the UNHCR speaks out when problems arise. Oh, and to top it all off, that source doesn't actually back your previous source's assertions.

Oh, and once again Ghatawerpya, read your very own sources: UNHCR advises against return to Upper Kodori Valley before winter

Hmm, I wonder why they're advising them not to return before winter starts? Could it be that the already overworked powerlines were damaged in the military operation?

Nah, cannot be that, must be ethnic cleansing, by General Winter /sarcasm

The mission found the area deserted. Private houses were mostly found intact, but completely emptied whereas communal buildings are destroyed to a large extent by bombing. Cattle and horses are roaming freely feeding on the harvest in the fields. UNHCR managed to find five inhabitants and talk to them in confidentiality. They reported that there are no more than 20 - 30 mainly elderly people still living in the upper part of the valley and that Russian peacekeepers supply them with food rations. Occasionally male displaced come back to check on their property and leave again.

Apparently the first step to ethnic cleansing is to provide the people will food rations and the second step is to leave their houses intact. That previous sentence, also sarcasm.

[Mahdistan]

https://www.rt.com/politics/334504-vete ... l-vows-to/

Here's Yalinsky talking about his hopes for his run. I still think that regardless of what the economy does, the Russian people will be united under Putin, but if Putin decides not to run, it's anyone's game. I predict that in the case of Putin dropping out, the real race would be Zyuganov vs. Prokhorov vs. Medvedev, with Zyuganov winning. Any other predictions?

[Baltenstein]

https://www.rt.com/politics/334504-veteran-russian-liberal-vows-to/

Here's Yalinsky talking about his hopes for his run. I still think that regardless of what the economy does, the Russian people will be united under Putin, but if Putin decides not to run, it's anyone's game. I predict that in the case of Putin dropping out, the real race would be Zyuganov vs. Prokhorov vs. Medvedev, with Zyuganov winning. Any other predictions?

What makes you think that Putin won't run?

[Mahdistan]

https://www.rt.com/politics/334504-veteran-russian-liberal-vows-to/

Here's Yalinsky talking about his hopes for his run. I still think that regardless of what the economy does, the Russian people will be united under Putin, but if Putin decides not to run, it's anyone's game. I predict that in the case of Putin dropping out, the real race would be Zyuganov vs. Prokhorov vs. Medvedev, with Zyuganov winning. Any other predictions?

What makes you think that Putin won't run?

He hasn't specifically stated he would, and there's been rumors about it for awhile. He probably will, but I still speculate nonetheless.