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What Russian political party do you support?

United Russia
52
26%
CPRF
29
15%
LDPR
8
4%
A Just Russia
11
6%
Patriots of Russia
3
2%
Civic Platform
4
2%
Yabloko
54
27%
Right Cause
3
2%
Monarchist Party
23
12%
Other (specify)
10
5%
 
Total votes : 197

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Postby Allanea » Fri Mar 04, 2016 7:30 pm

Shofercia wrote:
Ardoki wrote:Putin oppresses the LGBTQIA+ persons, like Hitler oppressed the Jews in the 1930s.


Really? So there are LGBTQIA+ concentration camps? Where at? Is the Russian police going into private homes and telling the LGBTQIA+ community to lower their pants so that they can decide if the penis gay or straight?


It is literally illegal in Russia to tell a gay person who is considering to commit suicide that homosexuality is better than suicide.

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Postby Ardoki » Fri Mar 04, 2016 7:31 pm

Shofercia wrote:
Ardoki wrote:Putin oppresses the LGBTQIA+ persons, like Hitler oppressed the Jews in the 1930s.


Really? So there are LGBTQIA+ concentration camps? Where at? Is the Russian police going into private homes and telling the LGBTQIA+ community to lower their pants so that they can decide if the penis gay or straight?

:palm:

I said 1930s. The Nazis didn't begin putting them in camps until the very early 1940s. However with the intense hatred Putin is stoking in Russia, it might only be a matter of time until the perceived 'liberal western perverted enemies of Mother Russia' suffer more extreme oppression.
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Fri Mar 04, 2016 7:32 pm

Ardoki wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:So did Valentinian III, probably. Vague connections does not a complicated ideology make, Ardoki. Remember, political repression is a proven and reliable political tool since the existence of the state.

But in the modern era, we are not suppose to be acting as such.

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muh universal western values
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What if I told you these were all spooks?

(no, I'm not a Stirnerite, but I like calling things spooks)
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Postby Allanea » Fri Mar 04, 2016 7:32 pm

Ethnic cleansing? In the Donbass?

So tell me, Shofercia, when the Ukrainians recaptured Mariupol and Slaviansk, why didn't they "ethnically cleanse" the population there? Where are the mounds of the the dead?
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Postby Ardoki » Fri Mar 04, 2016 7:33 pm

Shofercia wrote:
Ardoki wrote:But in the modern era, we are not suppose to be acting as such.


So where's the LGBTQIA+ version of Kristalnacht?

There are various videos on youtube of LGBTQIA+ being harassed by Russian neo-nazis, many of which are tortured and possibly then killed. While the Russian authorities don't do anything to stop it, they even encourage it.
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Postby Ardoki » Fri Mar 04, 2016 7:34 pm

United Marxist Nations wrote:
Ardoki wrote:But in the modern era, we are not suppose to be acting as such.

muh modernism
muh universal western values
muh hooman rights
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What if I told you these were all spooks?

Why are you using a racial slur against black people?
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Postby Shofercia » Fri Mar 04, 2016 7:36 pm

Allanea wrote:
Shofercia wrote:
Really? So there are LGBTQIA+ concentration camps? Where at? Is the Russian police going into private homes and telling the LGBTQIA+ community to lower their pants so that they can decide if the penis gay or straight?


It is literally illegal in Russia to tell a gay person who is considering to commit suicide that homosexuality is better than suicide.

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Postby United Marxist Nations » Fri Mar 04, 2016 7:37 pm

Ardoki wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:muh modernism
muh universal western values
muh hooman rights
muh enlightenment

What if I told you these were all spooks?

Why are you using a racial slur against black people?

Different context of the word. I'm referring to Stirner's special snowflake ideology.
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Postby Ardoki » Fri Mar 04, 2016 7:38 pm

Shofercia wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:So did Valentinian III, probably. Vague connections does not a complicated ideology make, Ardoki. Remember, political repression is a proven and reliable political tool since the existence of the state.


Actually, UMN, he's wrong. He said 1930s. That includes 1938 and 1939. So Ardoki's wrong once again, big surprise.

They didn't start exterminating people until 1942. So I was correct.

Plus neo-nazis in Russia are killing the LGBTQIA+ people for Putin. Just like nazis killed many people for Hitler.
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Postby Geilinor » Fri Mar 04, 2016 7:39 pm

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Geilinor wrote:Alright, as someone who's no fan of Putin, he is not a neo-Nazi.

Putin oppresses the LGBTQIA+ persons, like Hitler oppressed the Jews in the 1930s.

Putin isn't massacring millions of people.
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Postby Ardoki » Fri Mar 04, 2016 7:40 pm

United Marxist Nations wrote:
Ardoki wrote:Why are you using a racial slur against black people?

Different context of the word. I'm referring to Stirner's special snowflake ideology.

I don't buy that defence. Anyway, you should know the definitions and connotations of a word before you decide to use it.
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Postby Ardoki » Fri Mar 04, 2016 7:41 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Ardoki wrote:Putin oppresses the LGBTQIA+ persons, like Hitler oppressed the Jews in the 1930s.

Putin isn't massacring millions of people.

They didn't start the genocide until 1942. However they were harassed in the 1930s.
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Postby Roski » Fri Mar 04, 2016 7:41 pm

Pommerstan wrote:Russia is figting America, so all freedom loving people should support it.


I'm extremely confused about this statement. Should they support russia against the leader of the free world?
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Postby Allanea » Fri Mar 04, 2016 7:41 pm

That's a single judge handing out an idiotic fine. The article says that she's appealing it, and that she was found not guilty in the previous trial. Климова намерена обжаловать приговор в ближайшие дни... Однако Дзержинский суд Нижнего Тагила в феврале 2014 года Климову оправдал


Yes, but Children 404 was - to my knowledge - either totally shut down or came close to being shut down as a result.

Anyway, gay propaganda laws are dumb, and oppressive, I'm sorry to say.
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Fri Mar 04, 2016 7:42 pm

Ardoki wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:Different context of the word. I'm referring to Stirner's special snowflake ideology.

I don't buy that defence. Anyway, you should know the definitions and connotations of a word before you decide to use it.

Then you are being silly, since the context of a racial slur would make zero sense in the way I used it.

Just fucking read the sentence and replace the words with a slur and "ideological constructs with no objective meaning", and decide which one makes more sense.
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Postby Roski » Fri Mar 04, 2016 7:42 pm

Ardoki wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:Different context of the word. I'm referring to Stirner's special snowflake ideology.

I don't buy that defence. Anyway, you should know the definitions and connotations of a word before you decide to use it.


Spook has multiple names. When the fuck were black people called spooks?

I know coon and nigger, but not spooks. SJWism is going a bit too far here.
I'm some 17 year old psuedo-libertarian who leans to the left in social terms, is fiercly right economically, and centrist in foriegn policy. Unapologetically Pro-American, Pro-NATO, even if we do fuck up (a lot). If you can find real sources that disagree with me I will change my opinion. Call me IHOP cause I'm always flipping.

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Postby Allanea » Fri Mar 04, 2016 7:43 pm

United Marxist Nations wrote:
Ardoki wrote:I don't buy that defence. Anyway, you should know the definitions and connotations of a word before you decide to use it.

Then you are being silly, since the context of a racial slur would make zero sense in the way I used it.

Just fucking read the sentence and replace the words with a slur and "ideological constructs with no objective meaning", and decide which one makes more sense.


Nothing, technically, has "objective meaning". So what?
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Postby Roski » Fri Mar 04, 2016 7:43 pm

Pommerstan wrote:
Roski wrote:
I'm extremely confused about this statement. Should they support russia against the leader of the free world?

If you believe American and its president Obama are the leader of the free world, than not. So, whatever weaks America it should be good.


You are very sadly mistaken.
I'm some 17 year old psuedo-libertarian who leans to the left in social terms, is fiercly right economically, and centrist in foriegn policy. Unapologetically Pro-American, Pro-NATO, even if we do fuck up (a lot). If you can find real sources that disagree with me I will change my opinion. Call me IHOP cause I'm always flipping.

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Postby Ardoki » Fri Mar 04, 2016 7:44 pm

United Marxist Nations wrote:
Ardoki wrote:I don't buy that defence. Anyway, you should know the definitions and connotations of a word before you decide to use it.

Then you are being silly, since the context of a racial slur would make zero sense in the way I used it.

Just fucking read the sentence and replace the words with a slur and "ideological constructs with no objective meaning", and decide which one makes more sense.

Just because you want to co-opt ethnic slurs and use them in everyday language to normalise them, does not make them acceptable.
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Postby Allanea » Fri Mar 04, 2016 7:45 pm

Roski wrote:
Ardoki wrote:I don't buy that defence. Anyway, you should know the definitions and connotations of a word before you decide to use it.


Spook has multiple names. When the fuck were black people called spooks?

I know coon and nigger, but not spooks. SJWism is going a bit too far here.


Here you go: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=spook
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Postby Ardoki » Fri Mar 04, 2016 7:45 pm

Roski wrote:
Ardoki wrote:I don't buy that defence. Anyway, you should know the definitions and connotations of a word before you decide to use it.


Spook has multiple names. When the fuck were black people called spooks?

I know coon and nigger, but not spooks. SJWism is going a bit too far here.

Please don't use such offensive language. You could offend people, such as myself.
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Postby Roski » Fri Mar 04, 2016 7:45 pm

Ardoki wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:Then you are being silly, since the context of a racial slur would make zero sense in the way I used it.

Just fucking read the sentence and replace the words with a slur and "ideological constructs with no objective meaning", and decide which one makes more sense.

Just because you want to co-opt ethnic slurs and use them in everyday language to normalise them, does not make them acceptable.



spook
spo͞ok/Submit
informal
noun
plural noun: spooks
1.
a ghost.
2.
NORTH AMERICAN
a spy.
"a CIA spook"
3.
USoffensivedated
a contemptuous term for a black person.
verb
3rd person present: spooks
1.
frighten; unnerve.
"they spooked a couple of grizzly bears"
(especially of an animal) take fright suddenly.
"he'll spook if we make any noise"
Origin

early 19th century: from Dutch, of unknown origin.
I'm some 17 year old psuedo-libertarian who leans to the left in social terms, is fiercly right economically, and centrist in foriegn policy. Unapologetically Pro-American, Pro-NATO, even if we do fuck up (a lot). If you can find real sources that disagree with me I will change my opinion. Call me IHOP cause I'm always flipping.

Follow my Vex Robotics team on instagram! @3921a_vex

I am the Federal Republic of Roski. I have a population slightly over 256 million with a GDP of 13.92-14.25 trillion. My gross domestic product increases each year between .4%-.1.4%. I have a military with 4.58 million total people, with 1.58 million of those active. My defense spending is 598.5 billion, or 4.2% of my Gross Domestic Product.

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Postby United Marxist Nations » Fri Mar 04, 2016 7:46 pm

Allanea wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:Then you are being silly, since the context of a racial slur would make zero sense in the way I used it.

Just fucking read the sentence and replace the words with a slur and "ideological constructs with no objective meaning", and decide which one makes more sense.


Nothing, technically, has "objective meaning". So what?

His argument that _____ makes one a Neo-Nazi is that one does it in the modern world. This is silly because most ideologies predate the contemporary world. Thus, saying that one must hold their ideology to the ideological standard of the modern world is really silly and, frankly, kind of Eurocentric and, funnily enough, is pretty much exactly the kind of idea that 19th Century Europeans used to justify the conquest of Africa. Wonder how Ardoki will react to being lumped together with racists and imperialists.
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Postby Roski » Fri Mar 04, 2016 7:46 pm

Ardoki wrote:
Roski wrote:
Spook has multiple names. When the fuck were black people called spooks?

I know coon and nigger, but not spooks. SJWism is going a bit too far here.

Please don't use such offensive language. You could offend people, such as myself.


I legitimately do not give a flying fuck if you're offended by my language.
I'm some 17 year old psuedo-libertarian who leans to the left in social terms, is fiercly right economically, and centrist in foriegn policy. Unapologetically Pro-American, Pro-NATO, even if we do fuck up (a lot). If you can find real sources that disagree with me I will change my opinion. Call me IHOP cause I'm always flipping.

Follow my Vex Robotics team on instagram! @3921a_vex

I am the Federal Republic of Roski. I have a population slightly over 256 million with a GDP of 13.92-14.25 trillion. My gross domestic product increases each year between .4%-.1.4%. I have a military with 4.58 million total people, with 1.58 million of those active. My defense spending is 598.5 billion, or 4.2% of my Gross Domestic Product.

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Postby Ardoki » Fri Mar 04, 2016 7:46 pm

Roski wrote:
Ardoki wrote:Just because you want to co-opt ethnic slurs and use them in everyday language to normalise them, does not make them acceptable.



spook
spo͞ok/Submit
informal
noun
plural noun: spooks
1.
a ghost.
2.
NORTH AMERICAN
a spy.
"a CIA spook"
3.
USoffensivedated
a contemptuous term for a black person.
verb
3rd person present: spooks
1.
frighten; unnerve.
"they spooked a couple of grizzly bears"
(especially of an animal) take fright suddenly.
"he'll spook if we make any noise"
Origin

early 19th century: from Dutch, of unknown origin.

http://www.rsdb.org/search?q=Spook
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