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[Mahdistan]

I hope people aren't voting for Zhirinovsky because they think he's liberal because of his party name... the Liberal Democratic Party of Russia does not fit the western narrative of 'liberal'. Basically, think if Trump had his own party.

Not that I'd discourage anyone from voting for him if that's what they really want, but I should probably post all of their stances on the OP tomorrow when I get a chance.

[Geilinor]

I never thought I would hear a Stalinist saying "you love it when Russians suffer."

#millionsofdeadrussiansfromdearleader

>tfw the crude death rate during the last 5 years of Stalin's tenure is lower than Russia's crude death rate for most of the last 25 years

How about the first 5 years?

[Jumalariik]

I never thought I would hear a Stalinist saying "you love it when Russians suffer."

#millionsofdeadrussiansfromdearleader

>tfw the crude death rate during the last 5 years of Stalin's tenure is lower than Russia's crude death rate for most of the last 25 years

Welp. Maybe Russia could use something called democracy. Maybe if their policies weren't so anti-West, they could get somewhere.

[Mahdistan]

These have only been suggested by his opposition, which are all massive exaggerations. If anyone was being harmed by any of this, it was likely the oligarchs who'd rather profit from someone in Chechnya being in power who can't unify the people and cause another insurrection. There's absolutely no evidence of him getting up and shooting or torturing anyone on behalf of anyone else, the palaces haven't hardly put a dent in their funding and are popular in inspiring the people of a down-trodden province, and his personal army only 'extorts' criminals and terrorists.

And that's why refugees from Chechnya still turn up in Europe, they were disgusted by the lies of their horrible political opposition.

Many of them ideologically support terrorists, like ISIS and Al-Qaeda. I'm all for accepting migrants and refugees, but these people aren't leaving Chechnya for benevolent reasons, for the most part. They want to go somewhere that will tolerate extremism.

[United Marxist Nations]

>tfw the crude death rate during the last 5 years of Stalin's tenure is lower than Russia's crude death rate for most of the last 25 years

How about the first 5 years?

Outside of the terrible year of 1933 (we should all know what happened then without having this argument over what caused it) and the Great Patriotic War, the death rates were higher by about 25-40% for most of Stalin's tenure. But, of course, this is not attributable entirely to the repressions, as medical science was much more primitive.

[United Marxist Nations]

>tfw the crude death rate during the last 5 years of Stalin's tenure is lower than Russia's crude death rate for most of the last 25 years

Welp. Maybe Russia could use something called democracy. Maybe if their policies weren't so anti-West, they could get somewhere.

You know, when they started adopting Western policies was when their death rate started going up. The current death rate is almost twice as high as it was in 1964.

[Ghatawerpya]

From my talks with people from certain areas of the post-USSR world Russian media enjoys accusing the EU and liberals of propagating homosexuality, I have every reason to believe the same narrative is active in Russia as well.

Being largely involved with the liberasts has definitely hurt the LGBT movement in Russia.

Homophobia was prevalent in the USSR as well, it wasn't as if they were the ones at risk of losing their good reputation. But really the media over there does put lots of effort into associating liberals with gays. I read an interview of this Donbass revolutionary guy, where he described the civil war as "a fight between thousand year old traditions and a Western world that no longer believes in families with a mother and a father."

[United Marxist Nations]

Being largely involved with the liberasts has definitely hurt the LGBT movement in Russia.

Homophobia was prevalent in the USSR as well, it wasn't as if they were the ones at risk of losing their good reputation. But really the media over there does put lots of effort into associating liberals with gays. I read an interview of this Donbass revolutionary guy, where he described the civil war as "a fight between thousand year old traditions and a Western world that no longer believes in families with a mother and a father."

Homophobia was prevalent everywhere when the USSR existed.

[Jumalariik]

Welp. Maybe Russia could use something called democracy. Maybe if their policies weren't so anti-West, they could get somewhere.

You know, when they started adopting Western policies was when their death rate started going up. The current death rate is almost twice as high as it was in 1964.

Huh. And Putin is good you said?

Also, I know this is silly, but Putin Huilo

[United Marxist Nations]

You know, when they started adopting Western policies was when their death rate started going up. The current death rate is almost twice as high as it was in 1964.

Huh. And Putin is good you said?

Also, I know this is silly, but Putin Huilo

Good compared to the rough 90's. I would prefer a return to the Soviet system, but most Russians (even most communist) have given up on that.

[Ghatawerpya]

Homophobia was prevalent in the USSR as well, it wasn't as if they were the ones at risk of losing their good reputation. But really the media over there does put lots of effort into associating liberals with gays. I read an interview of this Donbass revolutionary guy, where he described the civil war as "a fight between thousand year old traditions and a Western world that no longer believes in families with a mother and a father."

Homophobia was prevalent everywhere when the USSR existed.

Yes, however the West had gotten to decriminalizing homosexuality long before the USSR fell apart. But I feel we're missing the point. Even if Russian liberals were successful I doubt that Russia would be much less homophobic. Poland for example, is still a very homophobic country.

[Eskandapolis]

I hope people aren't voting for Zhirinovsky because they think he's liberal because of his party name... the Liberal Democratic Party of Russia does not fit the western narrative of 'liberal'. Basically, think if Trump had his own party.
.

Trump meets Alex Jones with a bit of David Duke and Orban

[Mahdistan]

I hope people aren't voting for Zhirinovsky because they think he's liberal because of his party name... the Liberal Democratic Party of Russia does not fit the western narrative of 'liberal'. Basically, think if Trump had his own party.
.

Trump meets Alex Jones with a bit of David Duke and Orban

Essentially.

[Allanea]

You know, when they started adopting Western policies was when their death rate started going up. The current death rate is almost twice as high as it was in 1964.

It's generally accepted that death rates started going up a few years before that, and kept climbing for a long while until they finally reversed themselves.

[The Archbishop]

Isn't the Slavic Union prohibited in Russia?


If I were a Russian, I'd support the LDPR.

[Napkiraly]

Isn't the Slavic Union prohibited in Russia?


If I were a Russian, I'd support the LDPR.

For the love of Cthulhu, why?

[Baltenstein]

Meh, I doubt Zhirinovsky is taking his own platform all that seriously. In the Duma he is voting for whatever Putin tells him to vote for.

[Napkiraly]

Speaking of Zhirinovsky, I still come back to watch this whenever I need a good laugh.

[The Archbishop]

Isn't the Slavic Union prohibited in Russia?


If I were a Russian, I'd support the LDPR.

For the love of Cthulhu, why?

Because I support their platform?

[The Archregimancy]

Minor point about the OP poll...

Prokhorov isn't leader of Civic Platform anymore; he stepped down as leader in March of last year after members of the party leadership group participated in the Anti-Maidan protests.

As the party is now led by by former Liberal Democratic Party member Rifat Shaykhutdinov, it's presumably no longer an opposition party in the sense of opposing the policies of the current government (not that it had any Duma members anyway having been founded after the last election).

[Allanea]

Even on the Western Internet, nobody seems to like Kasyanov.

[PLESSUR]

I think I would have to support United Russia in the next elections (if I lived in Russia). The alternatives are just not any better. And I'm not sure if I trust any of the independents.

Foreign policy wise, I looks like a Sino-Russian entente is being born. That could be potentially dangerous - China has generally been quiet in foreign policy, especially when issues are related to internal issues for other countries. It figures if it tells everyone to leave others alone, its regime would be left alone.

However, Russia is becoming a more important world power, not least because of its sudden surge of greatness in the Middle East, now at a level the Soviets could only have dreamed of. With Chinese backing, Russian influence can extend much further.

Interestingly, Trump becoming the US President would appeal to the Kremlin but not to Beijing. This would be a kind of 'Russian card' like the Chinese card played by the Nixon administration in the 1970's.

[The United Colonies of Earth]

I think I would have to support United Russia in the next elections (if I lived in Russia). The alternatives are just not any better. And I'm not sure if I trust any of the independents.

Foreign policy wise, I looks like a Sino-Russian entente is being born. That could be potentially dangerous - China has generally been quiet in foreign policy, especially when issues are related to internal issues for other countries. It figures if it tells everyone to leave others alone, its regime would be left alone.

However, Russia is becoming a more important world power, not least because of its sudden surge of greatness in the Middle East, now at a level the Soviets could only have dreamed of. With Chinese backing, Russian influence can extend much further.

Interestingly, Trump becoming the US President would appeal to the Kremlin but not to Beijing. This would be a kind of 'Russian card' like the Chinese card played by the Nixon administration in the 1970's.

And then China takes the piss. Rule Rossiyo-Amerika.

[Mahdistan]

Isn't the Slavic Union prohibited in Russia?


If I were a Russian, I'd support the LDPR.

Yes, but he can still run as an independent. The Slavic Union is just the party he's associated with.

Minor point about the OP poll...

Prokhorov isn't leader of Civic Platform anymore; he stepped down as leader in March of last year after members of the party leadership group participated in the Anti-Maidan protests.

As the party is now led by by former Liberal Democratic Party member Rifat Shaykhutdinov, it's presumably no longer an opposition party in the sense of opposing the policies of the current government (not that it had any Duma members anyway having been founded after the last election).

Essentially, the same as above. It's just how most people remember him, and it's more descriptive than just labeling him as independent. I suppose I'll be more specific once the election really gets started.

[Dahon]

A Russian politics thread? Cool -- thought that went out with Medvedev stepping down.

Speaking of which, how right are Russia's political parties? And whatever happened to Garry Kasparov?