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[Shofercia]

I take it you haven't been to Greece.




Education is used to fight ignorance.
Education budgets are cut under some austerity measures.
Thus ignorance rises with cuts in education.

What is so confusing about that?

Ignorance and education funding have a very sticky causal relationship.

That is: Schools not being to renovate their playgrounds =/= increased ignorance.

Have you ever been to Spain?

Yeah. And it's true that some spending can be wasteful. But, generally speaking, there's a correlation between increasing education and decreasing ignorance, or vice versa.

[The disunited states]

Ignorance and education funding have a very sticky causal relationship.

That is: Schools not being to renovate their playgrounds =/= increased ignorance.

Have you ever been to Spain?

Yeah. And it's true that some spending can be wasteful. But, generally speaking, there's a correlation between increasing education and decreasing ignorance, or vice versa.

But that generally takes time.

Furthermore look at Spain.

tons of austerity + large Muslim minority = no rabid Islamophobia like in the rest of Europe

[Robert Bork]

I'd probably be angry if I had a wall of posts like the one I quoted, in this thread, but I'd be angry at myself.

He says, without a hint of irony.

[Shofercia]

I'd probably be angry if I had a wall of posts like the one I quoted, in this thread, but I'd be angry at myself.

He says, without a hint of irony.

Another one liner...

Yeah. And it's true that some spending can be wasteful. But, generally speaking, there's a correlation between increasing education and decreasing ignorance, or vice versa.

But that generally takes time.

Furthermore look at Spain.

tons of austerity + large Muslim minority = no rabid Islamophobia like in the rest of Europe

http://en.abna24.com/service/europe/arc ... story.html

April 13, 2016 - 1:02 PM

AhlulBayt News Agency - Attacks against Muslims and Islamic institutions surged more than 11-fold in Spain last year, a prominent Islamic organization says, warning that Islamophobia is on the rise in the country. A total of 534 anti-Islam incidents including online abuse were recorded last year, up from 48 in 2014, the president of the Spanish Federation of Islamic Religious Entities, Mounir Benjelloun, told AFP. Benjelloun noted that the figure marked a sharp increase compared to the 48 anti-Islam incidents recorded in 2014. “This type of aggression increases whenever there is an act of violence in a European country,” he added.

You were saying?

[Robert Bork]

Another one liner...

Now you've earned yourself double points.

[The disunited states]

But that generally takes time.

Furthermore look at Spain.

tons of austerity + large Muslim minority = no rabid Islamophobia like in the rest of Europe

http://en.abna24.com/service/europe/arc ... story.html

April 13, 2016 - 1:02 PM

AhlulBayt News Agency - Attacks against Muslims and Islamic institutions surged more than 11-fold in Spain last year, a prominent Islamic organization says, warning that Islamophobia is on the rise in the country. A total of 534 anti-Islam incidents including online abuse were recorded last year, up from 48 in 2014, the president of the Spanish Federation of Islamic Religious Entities, Mounir Benjelloun, told AFP. Benjelloun noted that the figure marked a sharp increase compared to the 48 anti-Islam incidents recorded in 2014. “This type of aggression increases whenever there is an act of violence in a European country,” he added.

You were saying?

If it's cause were austerity this kind of thing would have happened at the time when austerity was implemented. Not in accordance with an act of Jihadist terrorism as the article states.

And Spain is still not as Islamophobic as say, France.

[Shofercia]

http://en.abna24.com/service/europe/arc ... story.html



You were saying?

If it's cause were austerity this kind of thing would have happened at the time when austerity was implemented. Not in accordance with an act of Jihadist terrorism as the article states.

And Spain is still not as Islamophobic as say, France.

It's a combination of austerity, mass immigration, and the occasional bombing. When their powers combine... bad shit happens. Either way, now's the time to be extra nice to your Muslim friends, let them know you're cool, they're cool, and all that stuff.

[Geilinor]

If it's cause were austerity this kind of thing would have happened at the time when austerity was implemented. Not in accordance with an act of Jihadist terrorism as the article states.

And Spain is still not as Islamophobic as say, France.

It's a combination of austerity, mass immigration, and the occasional bombing. When their powers combine... bad shit happens. Either way, now's the time to be extra nice to your Muslim friends, let them know you're cool, they're cool, and all that stuff.

Spain has that problem for more historical reasons, I think.

[Mahdistan]

https://www.rt.com/politics/342797-labo ... arasitism/

The Russian Labor Ministry is working on a bill to tax people who do not register as unemployed nor have a job. I am surprised this is not law already; it seems perfectly logical.

[Geilinor]

https://www.rt.com/politics/342797-labor-ministry-working-on-parasitism/

The Russian Labor Ministry is working on a bill to tax people who do not register as unemployed nor have a job. I am surprised this is not law already; it seems perfectly logical.

How do you tax people on nothing?

[Panslavicland]

So apparently Eurovision have decided to put petty political considerations before musical talent or their own rules that forbid political songs. I think its about time Russia revives Intervision if this is how they are going to be treated.

https://www.rt.com/op-edge/343116-rip-eurovision-russia-ukraine/

Its probably for the best that Russia ends its participation. I don't think they should be supporting an event which criminalises those who do not wish to pay for it then ignores their preference as to who should win.

https://www.rt.com/viral/343060-eurovision-song-contest-funded/

[Mugrul]

So apparently Eurovision have decided to put petty political considerations before musical talent or their own rules that forbid political songs. I think its about time Russia revives Intervision if this is how they are going to be treated.

https://www.rt.com/op-edge/343116-rip-eurovision-russia-ukraine/

Its probably for the best that Russia ends its participation. I don't think they should be supporting an event which criminalises those who do not wish to pay for it then ignores their preference as to who should win.

https://www.rt.com/viral/343060-eurovision-song-contest-funded/

Oh boo hoo. "We don't want a Put-In" got disqualified at what was then the height of EU-Russian tensions.

[Allanea]

https://www.rt.com/politics/342797-labor-ministry-working-on-parasitism/

The Russian Labor Ministry is working on a bill to tax people who do not register as unemployed nor have a job. I am surprised this is not law already; it seems perfectly logical.

What's logical about it?

[Shofercia]

It's a combination of austerity, mass immigration, and the occasional bombing. When their powers combine... bad shit happens. Either way, now's the time to be extra nice to your Muslim friends, let them know you're cool, they're cool, and all that stuff.

Spain has that problem for more historical reasons, I think.

True, but it was exacerbated by current events.

So apparently Eurovision have decided to put petty political considerations before musical talent or their own rules that forbid political songs. I think its about time Russia revives Intervision if this is how they are going to be treated.

https://www.rt.com/op-edge/343116-rip-eurovision-russia-ukraine/

Its probably for the best that Russia ends its participation. I don't think they should be supporting an event which criminalises those who do not wish to pay for it then ignores their preference as to who should win.

https://www.rt.com/viral/343060-eurovision-song-contest-funded/

Why? The Europeans voted for the Russian Singer. The, most likely, bribed jury of utterly pathetic cunts jacked the victory away from Russia precisely to promote tensions between Europe and Russia. They don't give a fuck about music, they're just there to ruin everything, to leech off of the good things in society. I wouldn't put it past those fucktards to promote starvation if it somehow hurts Putin in their two neuron based minds. Don't fall for the crap of those cocksuckers. It's important to remember that most of the Europeans gave the Russian singer a genuine chance, and he won their hearts. The people loved our guy. The moronic jury's opinion shouldn't matter, so some idiotic journos will pretend that it does. That's on them. No need to blame all of the Europeans for the actions of a few, most likely bribed, imbeciles.

And yes, I can flame the self-dubbed jury because their identity was/is a secret, much like some posters on here flame IRL trolls who never posted on NSG, are public figures or hidden from the public view, and engage in activities that, in the opinion of those posters, inflame societies. And those pathetic excuses for an allegedly thinking organisms certainly deserve it, since they're the ones trying to promote tensions and chaos in Europe, when the people just want happiness in respect. A twitter quote, requoted by RT sums it up best:

#Eurovision brings out the best in Europeans. While Russian and Ukrainian jury's give each other 0 points citizens give 10 & 12 in televotes

Yeah, I included the Russian jurors among all of those bitches, since they're jurors. Heck, I fully agree with RT on this issue. Some more quotes:

This didn't win?!?!? The man is crashing through a virtual ice wall FFS! #Eurovision... How about next year we don't show which country the artist are from & just reveal it at the end. so the best performance wins #Eurovision... New #Eurovision rule: NO politics. UNLESS its against #Russia, in which case it gets bonus jury points proportional to bear-baiting vitriol

People want peace and prosperity, leeching fucks want to promote their agenda. The Eurovision clearly showed that. It's time to do something about it. Let's start more and more integration events between Russia and the EU, that'll really piss those retards off. And since they can't think for shit, their response will be something that can be lampooned all over the social media.

As for the Europeans - thanks guys, you were awesomesauce

[Urmanian]

[Panslavicland]

Spain has that problem for more historical reasons, I think.

True, but it was exacerbated by current events.

So apparently Eurovision have decided to put petty political considerations before musical talent or their own rules that forbid political songs. I think its about time Russia revives Intervision if this is how they are going to be treated.

https://www.rt.com/op-edge/343116-rip-eurovision-russia-ukraine/

Its probably for the best that Russia ends its participation. I don't think they should be supporting an event which criminalises those who do not wish to pay for it then ignores their preference as to who should win.

https://www.rt.com/viral/343060-eurovision-song-contest-funded/

Why? The Europeans voted for the Russian Singer. The, most likely, bribed jury of utterly pathetic cunts jacked the victory away from Russia precisely to promote tensions between Europe and Russia. They don't give a fuck about music, they're just there to ruin everything, to leech off of the good things in society. I wouldn't put it past those fucktards to promote starvation if it somehow hurts Putin in their two neuron based minds. Don't fall for the crap of those cocksuckers. It's important to remember that most of the Europeans gave the Russian singer a genuine chance, and he won their hearts. The people loved our guy. The moronic jury's opinion shouldn't matter, so some idiotic journos will pretend that it does. That's on them. No need to blame all of the Europeans for the actions of a few, most likely bribed, imbeciles.

And yes, I can flame the self-dubbed jury because their identity was/is a secret, much like some posters on here flame IRL trolls who never posted on NSG, are public figures or hidden from the public view, and engage in activities that, in the opinion of those posters, inflame societies. And those pathetic excuses for an allegedly thinking organisms certainly deserve it, since they're the ones trying to promote tensions and chaos in Europe, when the people just want happiness in respect. A twitter quote, requoted by RT sums it up best:

#Eurovision brings out the best in Europeans. While Russian and Ukrainian jury's give each other 0 points citizens give 10 & 12 in televotes

Yeah, I included the Russian jurors among all of those bitches, since they're jurors. Heck, I fully agree with RT on this issue. Some more quotes:

This didn't win?!?!? The man is crashing through a virtual ice wall FFS! #Eurovision... How about next year we don't show which country the artist are from & just reveal it at the end. so the best performance wins #Eurovision... New #Eurovision rule: NO politics. UNLESS its against #Russia, in which case it gets bonus jury points proportional to bear-baiting vitriol

People want peace and prosperity, leeching fucks want to promote their agenda. The Eurovision clearly showed that. It's time to do something about it. Let's start more and more integration events between Russia and the EU, that'll really piss those retards off. And since they can't think for shit, their response will be something that can be lampooned all over the social media.

As for the Europeans - thanks guys, you were awesomesauce

I don't think its any surprise that the Russian jury awarded no points to a song about how 70 years ago Russians were mean to some Nazi collaborators, and that this was a bad thing. I'm pretty sure the only reason it got 10 points from the public vote is due to Ukrainians living in Russia. These people need to look at where their true loyalties lie.

The Eurovision debacle, much like the economic sanctions or the Olympic suspension represents the actions of a tiny but powerful elite. The people of Europe are in fact opposed to all this Russophobia.

I think the best response would be to revive Intervision for next year, hosted by Russia, and schedule it on the same day as Eurovision. Invite musicians from all the same countries that participate in Eurovision but make it so that only the public vote decides the winner. Let's see what attracts more interest: an event where a corrupt elite choose a winner based on their own petty politics or a true celebration of musical talent.

Then we can laugh when no one bothers turning up in Kiev.

[Shofercia]

True, but it was exacerbated by current events.




Why? The Europeans voted for the Russian Singer. The, most likely, bribed jury of utterly pathetic cunts jacked the victory away from Russia precisely to promote tensions between Europe and Russia. They don't give a fuck about music, they're just there to ruin everything, to leech off of the good things in society. I wouldn't put it past those fucktards to promote starvation if it somehow hurts Putin in their two neuron based minds. Don't fall for the crap of those cocksuckers. It's important to remember that most of the Europeans gave the Russian singer a genuine chance, and he won their hearts. The people loved our guy. The moronic jury's opinion shouldn't matter, so some idiotic journos will pretend that it does. That's on them. No need to blame all of the Europeans for the actions of a few, most likely bribed, imbeciles.

And yes, I can flame the self-dubbed jury because their identity was/is a secret, much like some posters on here flame IRL trolls who never posted on NSG, are public figures or hidden from the public view, and engage in activities that, in the opinion of those posters, inflame societies. And those pathetic excuses for an allegedly thinking organisms certainly deserve it, since they're the ones trying to promote tensions and chaos in Europe, when the people just want happiness in respect. A twitter quote, requoted by RT sums it up best:



Yeah, I included the Russian jurors among all of those bitches, since they're jurors. Heck, I fully agree with RT on this issue. Some more quotes:



People want peace and prosperity, leeching fucks want to promote their agenda. The Eurovision clearly showed that. It's time to do something about it. Let's start more and more integration events between Russia and the EU, that'll really piss those retards off. And since they can't think for shit, their response will be something that can be lampooned all over the social media.

As for the Europeans - thanks guys, you were awesomesauce

I don't think its any surprise that the Russian jury awarded no points to a song about how 70 years ago Russians were mean to some Nazi collaborators, and that this was a bad thing. I'm pretty sure the only reason it got 10 points from the public vote is due to Ukrainians living in Russia. These people need to look at where their true loyalties lie.

The Eurovision debacle, much like the economic sanctions or the Olympic suspension represents the actions of a tiny but powerful elite. The people of Europe are in fact opposed to all this Russophobia.

I think the best response would be to revive Intervision for next year, hosted by Russia, and schedule it on the same day as Eurovision. Invite musicians from all the same countries that participate in Eurovision but make it so that only the public vote decides the winner. Let's see what attracts more interest: an event where a corrupt elite choose a winner based on their own petty politics or a true celebration of musical talent.

Then we can laugh when no one bothers turning up in Kiev.

I disagree with the first paragraph. While I'm not entirely sure how a political song became non-political, Eurovision Rules have always been deliberately fucked up, there are people who voted because they liked the singer, or the tune. There could've been Tatars voting for it was well. Voting for a song isn't some loyalty test, it's just a song vote. Furthermore, most Crimean Tatars weren't Nazi collaborators.

That said, I completely agree with the rest of your post. The Olympic suspension is yet another example of those who were butthurt when Putin kicked out Khodorkovsky for looting Russia's natural resources and established an alternative system of economic growth. This really hurt the pockets of those who helped create the violent 1990s in Russia and they've been trying to remove Putin ever since. One of their favorite pet propaganda pieces claims that Russians are teddified to not say that they support Putin, while another claims that only dictators have high approval ratings.

And I would love to see Russia host Intervision where only the Public Vote matters. I think Russia should do just that. Better yet, host it in Sochi's beautiful Fisht Stadium, with Ice Palace, HC Sochi's Home, and the rest of the complex. It can be cordoned off, completely safe, and a place where we can all relive the Olympic Spirit. I'd totally fly to Russia for that. Have people register, by country, and you're right, let's see who's going to be preferred - the choice of the People or the choice of some corrupt idiots. Great idea! I like you

[Germanic Scyths]

My (ex-)girlfriend (it's complicated, not for now) is a Volga-Tatar, closely related to the Crimean Tatars but yet said that the Ukraine "unjustly" won because of a political loaded song. She thought that Australia should have won, according to the jury.

But well, guess it's political after all.

[Shofercia]

My (ex-)girlfriend (it's complicated, not for now) is a Volga-Tatar, closely related to the Crimean Tatars but yet said that the Ukraine "unjustly" won because of a political loaded song. She thought that Australia should have won, according to the jury.

But well, guess it's political after all.

I always knew that the most natural place to hold Eurovision was Australia, although I want to give Tuvalu a chance too.

[Shofercia]

Meanwhile in Ukraine: http://observer.com/2016/05/the-u-s-is- ... n-ukraine/

As sad as it sounds, the two million dollars of U.S. and EU aid allegedly went missing while in hands of a corruption-fighting NGO: the Anti-Corruption Action Center (the ACAC). In 2015, the ACAC was the only institution to pursue the missing billions, suing the GPO into kickstarting an investigation into PrivatBank. Back then, Mr. Kolomoisky had a hand in the country’s politically strategic plans to move Ukraine toward the West. At one point, he even funded his own private army of 20,000 men to fight the so-called separatists. (As Kiev’s “revolutionary” government grew disheartened watching its conscript army refuse to fight its own people in the East, the country had to rely on quickly-assembled units of neo-Nazis and right wingers to do the job with oligarch-sponsored militias.)

While the Obama administration publicly hopped the bandwagon of “change” in Ukraine, sending the FBI and U.S. Treasury to investigate the crimes of the previous corrupt regime, it left the current corrupt regime alone. As it turned out, nobody really missed the missing IMF billions and Mr. Kolomoisky wasn’t bothered. The issue died in a face-saving exit, played out in the local courts of Odessa Oblast where everyone involved seemed to get lost in complicated world of tax havens, offshore banking and legal jurisdictions compounded with a strong case of Ukrainian amnesia. Even the IMF—so strict and unforgiving in its dealings with Greece—exhibited a Christmas-like generosity in its Ukrainian portfolio, indicating that a good-cop bad-cop scenario depends on your neighbors...

But what wasn’t forgotten was the fuss started by the ACAC, which came biting as soon as the situation in the East settled in an uneasy truce. The Kolomoisky-owned Ukraine Today opened fire on the NGO as soon as the Verkhovna Rada deputies announced their two million dollar problem to the world. Until then, the Rada was preoccupied with insider wheeling and dealing, which led it to be regularly besieged by right wing nationalists, opposition party members and citizens disgusted with inflation and corruption. Now, the Rada is focused on keeping foreign media accountable for alleged “lies”—The New York Times called the country what it is: a corrupt swamp. The attack on the ACAC is a classic example of political retribution made possible by Mr. Poroshenko. His administration’s rollback of democracy has increased lawlessness, both on and off the political scene—replacing one head of the GPO with another as a means to convince the U.S. and international donors that reforms are on track...

At this point, U.S. ambassador Geoffrey Pyatt denied any theft took place, taking sides against Mr. Stolyarchuk and indirectly against President Poroshenko—who happened to be the ultimate decider left on the scene. Mr. Stolyarchuk fired back in an interview with the Ukrainska Pravda newspaper stating Mr. Pyatt himself could be questioned about the missing funds, implying personal involvement. Meanwhile, after being raided by the GPO’s men, the ACAC issued a plea for help and, as such, the U.S. Embassy issued a statement that the money wasn’t actually missing as it was never even given to the ACAC...

Ironically, the Poroshenko administration is following the lead of the American-installed Al-Abadi administration in Iraq. Corrupt and ruled by internal interests, both parliaments create their own reality in the tug-of-war for power and money, which includes increased spending on military. Both setups are also threatened by outside developments (the civil war in the East, and Daesh respectively) as the name of the game is a monopoly-like of accumulation of wealth with get-out-of-jail-free cards given away by the top of the official administrations. Increasingly, the cookies distributed by the Deputy Secretary of State Nuland at the EuroMaidan are the most expensive pastries ever sold: they are paid for both in U.S. Treasury (five billion and counting) and at least 10,000 lives. Marie Antoinette would be proud. The revolution which ultimately cost her head is back, and inflicted on ordinary people.

Hmmm, who could've foreseen all this? Reminder: I was against the War in Iraq, against the War in Libya, against pitting Ukraine vs Russia... But hey, who cares about facts and track records? Onwards to financial support for yet another useless coup!

[Allanea]

You were against the intervention in Libya, but the intervention in Libya was a success.

[Shofercia]

You were against the intervention in Libya, but the intervention in Libya was a success.

You sure about that? http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/10/politics/ ... t-mistake/

President Barack Obama said the worst mistake of his presidency was a lack of planning for the aftermath of the 2011 toppling of Libyan dictator Moammar Gadhafi. "Probably failing to plan for the day after what I think was the right thing to do in intervening in Libya," he said in a Fox News interview aired Sunday.

[Igoria]

https://www.rt.com/politics/342797-labor-ministry-working-on-parasitism/

The Russian Labor Ministry is working on a bill to tax people who do not register as unemployed nor have a job. I am surprised this is not law already; it seems perfectly logical.

This has been debated numerous times since 2013, and hasn't come into play once, and, hopefully, never will.

[Mahdistan]

https://www.rt.com/politics/342797-labor-ministry-working-on-parasitism/

The Russian Labor Ministry is working on a bill to tax people who do not register as unemployed nor have a job. I am surprised this is not law already; it seems perfectly logical.

This has been debated numerous times since 2013, and hasn't come into play once, and, hopefully, never will.

But why? They're not following the rules already in not signing on as either employed or unemployed, so instead of spending money to put them in jail, why not make a little extra money off of them?

[Robert Bork]

You were against the intervention in Libya, but the intervention in Libya was a success.

You sure about that? http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/10/politics/ ... t-mistake/

President Barack Obama said the worst mistake of his presidency was a lack of planning for the aftermath of the 2011 toppling of Libyan dictator Moammar Gadhafi. "Probably failing to plan for the day after what I think was the right thing to do in intervening in Libya," he said in a Fox News interview aired Sunday.

Classic Shofistry

And that is our participation in the coalition that overthrew Qaddafi in Libya. I absolutely believed that it was the right thing to do. ... Had we not intervened, it’s likely that Libya would be Syria. ... And so there would be more death, more disruption, more destruction. But what is also true is that I think we [and] our European partners underestimated the need to come in full force if you’re going to do this. Then it’s the day after Qaddafi is gone, when everybody is feeling good and everybody is holding up posters saying, ‘Thank you, America.’ At that moment, there has to be a much more aggressive effort to rebuild societies that didn’t have any civic traditions. ... So that’s a lesson that I now apply every time I ask the question, ‘Should we intervene, militarily? Do we have an answer [for] the day after?