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[Sharania]

Need I list all of the horrible people who were, at one point or another, supported by the "International community"?

and

Nonsense. The world community has allied itself with fascists and leftists many times when they felt it would make the world a better place. Lend Lease? Those guys were commies. South Vietnam? That guy was a dictator.

And of course even the worst of the people I named still call for free elections and free speech.

I see a contradiction here. So, either you must:

1) Support Yeltsin's handling of commies in 1993

or

2) Support potential putsch material in the form of Commie-Nazis, Commies AND Nazis that you dare to call "opposition".

I will even give you a 3rd option - use them as a battering ram to depose Putin's Regime, and then discard (preferably - completely).

[Sadist France]

Its pretty funny how you think economic prosperity and social freedoms are 'nothing issues'.

It's pretty funny how you think morality, family and culture are nothing issues.

I mean I do find those nothing issues.

Economic prosperity means people generally will earn a average income thats fairly high and that a country will perform well and be able to provide more public services if it wishes to (I'm not a hard and fast libertarian who is always against public services).

Social liberties means that everyone can live their lives how they please without busybodies poking there noses.

Morality is subjective as fuck, and I really don't give a shit about family, and culture is something that has nothing to do with improving the quality of life of people in a nation.

Literally these are worthless issues for everyone who isn't a god botherer. I rather focus on issues related to actual 'real' things in society.

Which is why I don't support United Russia.

[Sharania]

Out of the choices given, I prefer 'Right Cause' and 'Civic Platform', although I also support the Russian Libertarian Party too.

Biggest thing Russia needs is a moderate, liberal party to offset the authoritarian politics of the mainstream Russian parties

Alors, them are not viable options:

- 'Right Cause'. To quote Wikipedia:

On 23 September 2011, the International Democrat Union suspended the associate member status of the Right Cause, lamenting that the party was under "direct control" of the Kremlin and all "liberal voices" had been silenced.[12] Instead, the re-founded Union of Rightist Forces was made a new associate member.[13]

On 26 March 2016 was renamed the "Party of Growth"[14]

Are you going to support Kremlenite puppet?

- 'Civic Platform'. Again, quote via Wikipedia:

In February 2015, to the surprise of some, participants from Civic Platform took part in the (pro-Putin) "anti-Maidan" demonstrations in Moscow,[10] which prompted Prokhorov to quit the party

Are you not disgusted to vouch for them now?

[Sanctissima]

It's pretty funny how you think morality, family and culture are nothing issues.

I mean I do find those nothing issues.

Economic prosperity means people generally will earn a average income thats fairly high and that a country will perform well and be able to provide more public services if it wishes to (I'm not a hard and fast libertarian who is always against public services).

Social liberties means that everyone can live their lives how they please without busybodies poking there noses.

Morality is subjective as fuck, and I really don't give a shit about family, and culture is something that has nothing to do with improving the quality of life of people in a nation.

Literally these are worthless issues for everyone who isn't a god botherer. I rather focus on issues related to actual 'real' things in society.

Which is why I don't support United Russia.

To be fair, you do need more than just economic prosperity to run a country. People need more than just a good economy to fell a sense of belonging or being united as a single nation. Patriotism, whatever the form is may take, is crucial for the perseverance of a country. There needs to be something that unites everyone within a country, and while the economy is a crucial part of this, it cannot maintain nationhood alone. Basically, the things you say are irrelevant are what keeps a country alive, and without them a country would lose its purpose for existence. Nationalism, be it ethnic or based around a common ideal, is crucial for the survival of a country. What do you think keeps Russia going as a country? I assure you that it's not the economy.

[Spiffier]

I mean I do find those nothing issues.

Economic prosperity means people generally will earn a average income thats fairly high and that a country will perform well and be able to provide more public services if it wishes to (I'm not a hard and fast libertarian who is always against public services).

Social liberties means that everyone can live their lives how they please without busybodies poking there noses.

Morality is subjective as fuck, and I really don't give a shit about family, and culture is something that has nothing to do with improving the quality of life of people in a nation.

Literally these are worthless issues for everyone who isn't a god botherer. I rather focus on issues related to actual 'real' things in society.

Which is why I don't support United Russia.

Right, you don't care about anything but hedonism and money.

[Shofercia]

Need I list all of the horrible people who were, at one point or another, supported by the "International community"?

and

Nonsense. The world community has allied itself with fascists and leftists many times when they felt it would make the world a better place. Lend Lease? Those guys were commies. South Vietnam? That guy was a dictator.

And of course even the worst of the people I named still call for free elections and free speech.

I see a contradiction here.

That's not a contradiction. He's saying that International Community's support doesn't make you the de facto good guy or the de facto bad guy. Then he provides examples.

So, either you must:

1) Support Yeltsin's handling of commies in 1993

or

2) Support potential putsch material in the form of Commie-Nazis, Commies AND Nazis that you dare to call "opposition".

I will even give you a 3rd option - use them as a battering ram to depose Putin's Regime, and then discard (preferably - completely).

Fourth option: he can just ignore your point, since it has nothing to do with reality.

[Shofercia]

Out of the choices given, I prefer 'Right Cause' and 'Civic Platform', although I also support the Russian Libertarian Party too.

Biggest thing Russia needs is a moderate, liberal party to offset the authoritarian politics of the mainstream Russian parties

Alors, them are not viable options:

- 'Right Cause'. To quote Wikipedia:

On 23 September 2011, the International Democrat Union suspended the associate member status of the Right Cause, lamenting that the party was under "direct control" of the Kremlin and all "liberal voices" had been silenced.[12] Instead, the re-founded Union of Rightist Forces was made a new associate member.[13]

On 26 March 2016 was renamed the "Party of Growth"[14]

Are you going to support Kremlenite puppet?

- 'Civic Platform'. Again, quote via Wikipedia:

In February 2015, to the surprise of some, participants from Civic Platform took part in the (pro-Putin) "anti-Maidan" demonstrations in Moscow,[10] which prompted Prokhorov to quit the party

Are you not disgusted to vouch for them now?

Prokhorov quit the party because of demonstrations in Moscow? Can I get a quote from Prokhorov saying that? So Right Cause is a Kremlinite Puppet and Prokhorov quite Civic Platform because it help a pro-Putin rally. Next up: Putin conquers Alaska by marrying Palin.

[Sharania]

So how do you guys feel about Russian involvement in Syria?

I feel nothing but disgust by this bloody military intervention. Thankfully, Russia ran out of money to support it and had to withdraw, tail behind its legs. Hopefully, soon the democratic opposition will exact its just vengance upon the butcher of Syrian people.

[Spiffier]

the democratic opposition

[Sharania]

Prokhorov quit the party because of demonstrations in Moscow? Can I get a quote from Prokhorov saying that? So Right Cause is a Kremlinite Puppet and Prokhorov quite Civic Platform because it help a pro-Putin rally. Next up: Putin conquers Alaska by marrying Palin.

Yes! See here (warning: Kremlin-funded press, but referenced by Wikipedia [eng]):

Tycoon Mikhail Prokhorov, who was a founder of the Civic Platform party, announced that he was quitting the party.

MOSCOW (Sputnik) – Russian billionaire Mikhail Prokhorov said Friday he was quitting the Civic Platform party, which he created in 2012, stating that the party "has discredited itself."

Last month, Prokhorov blasted the party leadership for participating in a February 21 Antimaidan rally in Moscow, which he said "had nothing to do" with the party's initial goals or ideology.

"I would like to suggest for discussion the following issue: a request to the party congress to either dissolve the party that had discredited itself or at least to rename it," Prokhorov said.

The businessman-turned-politician added he would carry on supporting some of the party's key projects.

Prokhorov, who is reported by Forbes magazine to be worth more than $10 billion, is the former president of the ONEXIM Group, one of Russia's major private investment funds. He left the position to enter politics in 2011.

Prokhorov came third in the 2012 Russian presidential election winning 8 percent of the votes as an independent candidate.

The Civic Platform party has no seats in the Russian parliament, as it was created a year after the last State Duma elections in 2011.

At least there is still something good in Prokhorov.

[Spiffier]

At least there is still something good in Prokhorov.

One of the oligarchs who are butthurt that Putin cracked down on their ilk?

Are you literally George Soros?

[Sharania]

Are you literally George Soros?

No. But what he suggests - like more vigorous confrontation with Putinist Russia - is worth following.

[Sadist France]

Out of the choices given, I prefer 'Right Cause' and 'Civic Platform', although I also support the Russian Libertarian Party too.

Biggest thing Russia needs is a moderate, liberal party to offset the authoritarian politics of the mainstream Russian parties

Alors, them are not viable options:

- 'Right Cause'. To quote Wikipedia:

On 23 September 2011, the International Democrat Union suspended the associate member status of the Right Cause, lamenting that the party was under "direct control" of the Kremlin and all "liberal voices" had been silenced.[12] Instead, the re-founded Union of Rightist Forces was made a new associate member.[13]

On 26 March 2016 was renamed the "Party of Growth"[14]

Are you going to support Kremlenite puppet?

- 'Civic Platform'. Again, quote via Wikipedia:

In February 2015, to the surprise of some, participants from Civic Platform took part in the (pro-Putin) "anti-Maidan" demonstrations in Moscow,[10] which prompted Prokhorov to quit the party

Are you not disgusted to vouch for them now?

Didn't actually know that. Somewhat saddened by this as the policies seemed decent.

I don't have a issue with Union of Right Forces either at all really so I'm happy to switch to supporting them. My main support is for a party in Russia that represents liberal social and economic values. URF works just as well for that imo as any other of the anti Kremlin parties.

[Spiffier]

Are you literally George Soros?

No. But what he suggests - like more vigorous confrontation with Putinist Russia - is worth following.

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[Sadist France]

I mean I do find those nothing issues.

Economic prosperity means people generally will earn a average income thats fairly high and that a country will perform well and be able to provide more public services if it wishes to (I'm not a hard and fast libertarian who is always against public services).

Social liberties means that everyone can live their lives how they please without busybodies poking there noses.

Morality is subjective as fuck, and I really don't give a shit about family, and culture is something that has nothing to do with improving the quality of life of people in a nation.

Literally these are worthless issues for everyone who isn't a god botherer. I rather focus on issues related to actual 'real' things in society.

Which is why I don't support United Russia.

To be fair, you do need more than just economic prosperity to run a country. People need more than just a good economy to fell a sense of belonging or being united as a single nation. Patriotism, whatever the form is may take, is crucial for the perseverance of a country. There needs to be something that unites everyone within a country, and while the economy is a crucial part of this, it cannot maintain nationhood alone. Basically, the things you say are irrelevant are what keeps a country alive, and without them a country would lose its purpose for existence. Nationalism, be it ethnic or based around a common ideal, is crucial for the survival of a country. What do you think keeps Russia going as a country? I assure you that it's not the economy.

I mean though to be fair, the idea that Russia would collapse as a country if anyone but United Russia or pro Kremlin parties get elected is a huge stretch. The parties I support are moderate liberal parties similar to Europe. They're not very controversial ideas that are being proposed, and are ideas that have popularized the 20th Century West for a long time. Its not like I'm supporting some weird Anarchist-Communistic system where anyone who even mentions the countries name is shot.

[Spiffier]

To be fair, you do need more than just economic prosperity to run a country. People need more than just a good economy to fell a sense of belonging or being united as a single nation. Patriotism, whatever the form is may take, is crucial for the perseverance of a country. There needs to be something that unites everyone within a country, and while the economy is a crucial part of this, it cannot maintain nationhood alone. Basically, the things you say are irrelevant are what keeps a country alive, and without them a country would lose its purpose for existence. Nationalism, be it ethnic or based around a common ideal, is crucial for the survival of a country. What do you think keeps Russia going as a country? I assure you that it's not the economy.

I mean though to be fair, the idea that Russia would collapse as a country if anyone but United Russia or pro Kremlin parties get elected is a huge stretch. The parties I support are moderate liberal parties similar to Europe. They're not very controversial ideas that are being proposed, and are ideas that have popularized the 20th Century West for a long time.

No kidding: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLCOTa6rnlI

[Urmanian]

No. But what he suggests - like more vigorous confrontation with Putinist Russia - is worth following.

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[Sadist France]

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lmao

[Spiffier]

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Roach, plz.

[Shofercia]

So how do you guys feel about Russian involvement in Syria?

I feel nothing but disgust by this bloody military intervention. Thankfully, Russia run out of money to support it and had to withdraw, tail behind its legs. Hopefully, soon the democratic opposition will exact its just vengance upon the butcher of Syrian people.

Is that why Russia is still in Syria and still has $71 billion in the sovereign wealth fund? Nothing says that someone's broke like $71 billion. You show 'em Sharania, you show 'em: http://old.minfin.ru/en/nationalwealthf ... ?id_4=5830

Are you literally George Soros?

No. But what he suggests - like more vigorous confrontation with Putinist Russia - is worth following.

And here I was just wondering how to waste taxpayer dollars - Sharania to the rescue!

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I'm amazed that people actually think that NSG is so crucial, that Putin would actually pay people to post here.

[Urmanian]

I'm amazed that people actually think that NSG is so crucial, that Putin would actually pay people to post here.

Well, he got to catch up with Soros.

[Sadist France]

I still haven't been told why I should support United Russia despite not being a Nationalist, a Conservative, a Pan Slav or Religious.

[Urmanian]

I still haven't been told why I should support United Russia despite not being a Nationalist, a Conservative, a Pan Slav or Religious.

Because if you don't, you're a russophobic hedonist cuck.

[Sharania]

I mean though to be fair, the idea that Russia would collapse as a country if anyone but United Russia or pro Kremlin parties get elected is a huge stretch. The parties I support are moderate liberal parties similar to Europe. They're not very controversial ideas that are being proposed, and are ideas that have popularized the 20th Century West for a long time. Its not like I'm supporting some weird Anarchist-Communistic system where anyone who even mentions the countries name is shot.

Wait. Are you STILL supporting parties that were proven to be Kremlenite tools? Seriously?!

[Sadist France]

I mean though to be fair, the idea that Russia would collapse as a country if anyone but United Russia or pro Kremlin parties get elected is a huge stretch. The parties I support are moderate liberal parties similar to Europe. They're not very controversial ideas that are being proposed, and are ideas that have popularized the 20th Century West for a long time. Its not like I'm supporting some weird Anarchist-Communistic system where anyone who even mentions the countries name is shot.

Wait. Are you STILL supporting parties that were proven to be Kremlenite tools? Seriously?!

I was actually referring to Union of Right Forces and other anti Kremlin liberal parties. There is multiple.