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[The disunited states]

1: Assad is unpopular, this is a fact. He will not win an election if all of Syria is able to vote and they know it's going to be fair and not a sham.

Thank you, BBC

Assad is popular.

Thank you Globalresearch.

[Spiffier]

Thank you, BBC

Assad is popular.

Thank you Globalresearch.

Assad is popular with some, not with others. I'm fine with a statewide election, and afaik, so is Russia. Everyone who opposes him doesn't talk about that, though, they just say, "Assad has to go."

[Sadist France]

There's far less of it - in terms of casualties - thna there is in Syria.

Mainly because the worst thug is dead.

Perhaps, but also it's less reported and Libya isn't as populated as Syria. Considering that the most glorious "Insurgents" left ghost towns in their wake, (similar to a certain place in Europe,) I'd say that Libya was just as bloody. Furthermore, under worst thug Khadaffi, Libyan refugees weren't fleeing to Europe en masse; under Obama & Co's most glorious Dumbocracy, they're fleeing to Europe en masse. Must be the result of all those new Human Rights they're experiencing.

Speaking of interventions, it's interesting to note that the group that's leading Crimea, wants to stay and rebuild, as does the population. The Kosovo Albanians want visas to go elsewhere. The South Ossetians are staying behind and rebuilding, while Ukraine demands a Visa Free program. The Abkhaz are working on their own country, whereas the Libyans are heading to Europe. The people of Nagorno-Karabakh are rebuilding their capital, whereas in Afghanistan, the Taliban's trying to retake the country. Everywhere where Russia intervenes, and fully controls, there's peace and reconstruction. Almost everywhere where NATO member states intervene, refugees result.

Out of the choices given, I prefer 'Right Cause' and 'Civic Platform', although I also support the Russian Libertarian Party too.

Biggest thing Russia needs is a moderate, liberal party to offset the authoritarian politics of the mainstream Russian parties

If you're looking for moderate, Right Cause is not for you.

How is it not? Many of the policies I've seen from it seem quite appealing ie; Economic Liberalism, Interests of the middle class, even legalization of sex work.

It seems like a fairly average European liberal-conservative party, and I can work with that over United Russia

[Sadist France]

Assad is popular.

Thank you Globalresearch.

Assad is popular with some, not with others. I'm fine with a statewide election, and afaik, so is Russia. Everyone who opposes him doesn't talk about that, though, they just say, "Assad has to go."

You can't really have a fair election tho in the middle of the war, especially as most of his opposition would have absolutely no access to any electorial services..

[Spiffier]

Assad is popular with some, not with others. I'm fine with a statewide election, and afaik, so is Russia. Everyone who opposes him doesn't talk about that, though, they just say, "Assad has to go."

You can't really have a fair election tho in the middle of the war, especially as most of his opposition would have absolutely no access to any electorial services..

All the rebels would have to do is say they agree to accept any results of a national election. But Saudi Arabia won't deal with that.

[Spiffier]

How is it not? Many of the policies I've seen from it seem quite appealing ie; Economic Liberalism, Interests of the middle class, even legalization of sex work.

It seems like a fairly average European liberal-conservative party, and I can work with that over United Russia

United Russia is preferable to precisely that. Yeltsin was not good for the country.

[Sadist France]

You can't really have a fair election tho in the middle of the war, especially as most of his opposition would have absolutely no access to any electorial services..

All the rebels would have to do is say they agree to accept any results of a national election. But Saudi Arabia won't deal with that.

Except how do you attend a election in the middle of a civil war?

Are polling stations put in rebel occupied territory? How do you ensure voting valicity? Who counts the votes from the rebels and the regime in a fair way.

The only way it could be done is either with a absolute end to the civil war or with a international agency coming in and literally counting votes from both sides.

[Spiffier]

All the rebels would have to do is say they agree to accept any results of a national election. But Saudi Arabia won't deal with that.

Except how do you attend a election in the middle of a civil war?

Are polling stations put in rebel occupied territory? How do you ensure voting valicity? Who counts the votes from the rebels and the regime in a fair way.

The only way it could be done is either with a absolute end to the civil war or with a international agency coming in and literally counting votes from both sides.

They agree to end the war on the condition an election is held.

[Sadist France]

How is it not? Many of the policies I've seen from it seem quite appealing ie; Economic Liberalism, Interests of the middle class, even legalization of sex work.

It seems like a fairly average European liberal-conservative party, and I can work with that over United Russia

United Russia is preferable to precisely that. Yeltsin was not good for the country.

United Russia is super conservative though socially, why would I pick that? It's also not incredibly pro market.

The things I like about Right Cause is that its for open markets and for social liberties being expanded. Putin doesn't do anything for the expansion of social liberties or economic liberties. I mean I guess he's better than the KPRF, but thats not very hard.

[Spiffier]

United Russia is preferable to precisely that. Yeltsin was not good for the country.

United Russia is super conservative though socially, why would I pick that? It's also not incredibly pro market.

The things I like about Right Cause is that its for open markets and for social liberties being expanded. Putin doesn't do anything for the expansion of social liberties or economic liberties. I mean I guess he's better than the KPRF, but thats not very hard.

Why should they be pro market? Why should they be socially liberal? Because Europe is?

[Sadist France]

United Russia is super conservative though socially, why would I pick that? It's also not incredibly pro market.

The things I like about Right Cause is that its for open markets and for social liberties being expanded. Putin doesn't do anything for the expansion of social liberties or economic liberties. I mean I guess he's better than the KPRF, but thats not very hard.

Why should they be pro market? Why should they be socially liberal? Because Europe is?

I mean this poll asked me which party I support. I agree with free markets and social liberties. It didn't ask me "which party is the status quo"

If I lived in Russia, I would likely vote Right Cause, just as I vote Libertarian party here in America.

Why would I support a party I have absolutely nothing in common with policy wise other than not being the KPRF?

[Spiffier]

Why should they be pro market? Why should they be socially liberal? Because Europe is?

I mean this poll asked me which party I support. I agree with free markets and social liberties. It didn't ask me "which party is the status quo"

If I lived in Russia, I would likely vote Right Cause, just as I vote Libertarian party here in America.

Why would I support a party I have absolutely nothing in common with policy wise other than not being the KPRF?

Because it strengthens and preserves Russia's distinct culture and identity?

[Mugrul]

Shamil Basaev was a Russian citizen during the Abkhazian war, so is the unabomber an American citizen. It is widely known that tons of Russian volunteers fought on the Abkhaz side, just as Shamil did. Was the Russian state involved? Very likely.

Russia's involvement in Abkhazia during 2008 is a perfect demonstration of selective application of self determination.

To demonstrate this in your style...

Russia: South Ossetia should choose what country to be a part of!

Abkhazia: pls help us take over a homogenous Svanetian/Georgian territory that doesn't want to be a part of Abkhazia

Russia: Sure!

You aren't sure about South Ossetia? Look at it's demographics, they've shrunken quite a bit. Or it's less than spectacular economy.

South Ossetia is not a great place.

[Mugrul]

I mean this poll asked me which party I support. I agree with free markets and social liberties. It didn't ask me "which party is the status quo"

If I lived in Russia, I would likely vote Right Cause, just as I vote Libertarian party here in America.

Why would I support a party I have absolutely nothing in common with policy wise other than not being the KPRF?

Because it strengthens and preserves Russia's distinct culture and identity?

You can't be Russian and a liberal amiright?

[Sadist France]

I mean this poll asked me which party I support. I agree with free markets and social liberties. It didn't ask me "which party is the status quo"

If I lived in Russia, I would likely vote Right Cause, just as I vote Libertarian party here in America.

Why would I support a party I have absolutely nothing in common with policy wise other than not being the KPRF?

Because it strengthens and preserves Russia's distinct culture and identity?

I mean the GOP and Democrats could be argued that they 'strengthens and preserves America's distinct culture and identity', I still wouldn't vote for them.

Why would I support a party simply because its the party that was elected?

I mean the poll asked clearly which party I support. I find Right Cause most compatible. I don't find United Russia compatible. The question wasn't about which one got the most votes last election.

[Spiffier]

I mean the GOP and Democrats could be argued that they 'strengthens and preserves America's distinct culture and identity', I still wouldn't vote for them.

They're both globalists, what do they do to strengthen America's culture and identity?

[Spiffier]

Because it strengthens and preserves Russia's distinct culture and identity?

You can't be Russian and a liberal amiright?

I'm talking about liberal policies, not liberal as an identity.

[Sadist France]

I mean the GOP and Democrats could be argued that they 'strengthens and preserves America's distinct culture and identity', I still wouldn't vote for them.

They're both globalists, what do they do to strengthen America's culture and identity?

I mean I'm not for voting parties just because they 'strengthen national and cultural identity'. I'm pro voting parties I agree with on the issues.

I agree with Right Cause and Civic Platform on the issues, I couldn't care less if they're globalized (The more like Europe the better imo). This poll asked my opinion on which one I support more. Once again it did not ask me which one is the most popular one in Russia.

[Spiffier]

They're both globalists, what do they do to strengthen America's culture and identity?

I mean I'm not for voting parties just because they 'strengthen national and cultural identity'. I'm pro voting parties I agree with on the issues.

I agree with Right Cause and Civic Platform on the issues, I couldn't care less if they're globalized (The more like Europe the better imo). This poll asked my opinion on which one I support more. Once again it did not ask me which one is the most popular one in Russia.

Right, because the only issues you care are things like sexual liberty, money, consumerist goods, narcotics liberty, and so on. These are the only things you see as relevant or important, or at least the things you see as supremely relevant and important.

[Sadist France]

I mean I'm not for voting parties just because they 'strengthen national and cultural identity'. I'm pro voting parties I agree with on the issues.

I agree with Right Cause and Civic Platform on the issues, I couldn't care less if they're globalized (The more like Europe the better imo). This poll asked my opinion on which one I support more. Once again it did not ask me which one is the most popular one in Russia.

Right, because the only issues you care are things like sexual liberty, money, consumerist goods, narcotics liberty, and so on. These are the only things you see as relevant or important, or at least the things you see as supremely relevant and important.

I also care about economic prosperity (A thing given by the free market), being able to live my life how I want without government nanning, etc.

Like a wealthy nation IS a pretty important thing, and the free market has shown that it can deliver that.

Also why once again would I support social-conservative party that I have absolutely nothing in common with. I'm not religious so theres nothing on that front. I'm not a white or slavic nationalist so ditto. I don't agree with his views on any social issues other than the fact he's not the KPRF. I don't agree with any of his economic views other than the fact he's not the KPRF.

Like you expect me to support him cause he's elected and because he's nationalist? Why would I do that rather than voting a party I relatively agree with? lmao

[Sanctissima]

Right, because the only issues you care are things like sexual liberty, money, consumerist goods, narcotics liberty, and so on. These are the only things you see as relevant or important, or at least the things you see as supremely relevant and important.

I also care about economic prosperity (A thing given by the free market), being able to live my life how I want without government nanning, etc.

Like a wealthy nation IS a pretty important thing, and the free market has shown that it can deliver that.

Yeah... not exactly.

To my knowledge, this whole idea of a "free market" has never actually been implemented. The whole thing is synonymous with a kind of Anarcho-Capitalism, and that's a system which has never seen the light of day. Then again, there's so many different views on what a free market is, that you can probably point at any system with even an ounce of privatization and call it as such.

But no, even hypothetically speaking, the idea of a free market is a bad idea. You need government regulation in an economy, lest society revert to a form of feudalism.

[Shofercia]

@Shofercia

1: Assad is unpopular, this is a fact. He will not win an election if all of Syria is able to vote and they know it's going to be fair and not a sham. I can't guarantee you that all of them will switch over to fight ISIS, but quite a few FSA and Kurdish militias already have (see: Euphrates Volcano for example). But it's certain that wooing the anti-ISIS/anti-Assas groups will help close up the war sooner, there is no benefit to keeping Assad in place if our goal is to preserve lives.

2: I don't really know what to say here.

1. Is it? If Assad is so unpopular, why does FSA want to deny him a chance to be on the ballot? Kurdish Militia and the SAA came to an understanding.

in response to your more recent comment (Shofercia).

Yes this has gone off into a tangent, but here's my point. If Moscow really wants democracy and peace in Syria, they should work out a deal where Assad leaves after the country has been liberated from ISIS & friends.

Right, after. Not before.

Perhaps, but also it's less reported and Libya isn't as populated as Syria. Considering that the most glorious "Insurgents" left ghost towns in their wake, (similar to a certain place in Europe,) I'd say that Libya was just as bloody. Furthermore, under worst thug Khadaffi, Libyan refugees weren't fleeing to Europe en masse; under Obama & Co's most glorious Dumbocracy, they're fleeing to Europe en masse. Must be the result of all those new Human Rights they're experiencing.

Speaking of interventions, it's interesting to note that the group that's leading Crimea, wants to stay and rebuild, as does the population. The Kosovo Albanians want visas to go elsewhere. The South Ossetians are staying behind and rebuilding, while Ukraine demands a Visa Free program. The Abkhaz are working on their own country, whereas the Libyans are heading to Europe. The people of Nagorno-Karabakh are rebuilding their capital, whereas in Afghanistan, the Taliban's trying to retake the country. Everywhere where Russia intervenes, and fully controls, there's peace and reconstruction. Almost everywhere where NATO member states intervene, refugees result.




If you're looking for moderate, Right Cause is not for you.

How is it not? Many of the policies I've seen from it seem quite appealing ie; Economic Liberalism, Interests of the middle class, even legalization of sex work.

It seems like a fairly average European liberal-conservative party, and I can work with that over United Russia

The party that they stem from, Union of Right Forces, did quite a bit of harm to the Russian Middle class when in power, so I'm going to take their claim about holding the interests of the Middle Class with a continent of salt.

Shamil Basaev was a Russian citizen during the Abkhazian war, so is the unabomber an American citizen. It is widely known that tons of Russian volunteers fought on the Abkhaz side, just as Shamil did. Was the Russian state involved? Very likely.

Russia's involvement in Abkhazia during 2008 is a perfect demonstration of selective application of self determination.

To demonstrate this in your style...

Russia: South Ossetia should choose what country to be a part of!

Abkhazia: pls help us take over a homogenous Svanetian/Georgian territory that doesn't want to be a part of Abkhazia

Russia: Sure!

You aren't sure about South Ossetia? Look at it's demographics, they've shrunken quite a bit. Or it's less than spectacular economy.

South Ossetia is not a great place.

Did the Russian state specifically sponsor Basaev's group? I highly doubt that, considering that they were enemies. Lots of people fought in the Caucasus. Most were not sponsored by the Russian State. Lots of people are fighting ISIS, but is the US responsible for all FSA actions? Just because you happen to be on the same side in a war, doesn't make you allies. Unless you want to claim that NATO allied ISIS through Turkey, since Erdogan and ISIS are both very much anti-Kurd.

South Ossetian Demographics - let's see what you got. You made the claim, let's see some sources to back it up. Furthermore, as I already told you, I do NOT support the policies of the 1990s. In 2008, and Mugrul, this has already been explained to you, the Russians removed Georgia's military from the Kodori Gorge. Military. Not civilians. Show me when the Russians, in 2008, removed Georgian Civilians from South Ossetia. Once I do not support the policies of the 1990s, I thought I made that abundantly clear. But feel free to bring up policies of drunks and traitors, and pretend that I support them, it's what you've been doing thus far.

[Spiffier]

I also care about economic prosperity (A thing given by the free market), being able to live my life how I want without government nanning, etc.

And literally nothing else.

[Sadist France]

I also care about economic prosperity (A thing given by the free market), being able to live my life how I want without government nanning, etc.

And literally nothing else.

Its pretty funny how you think economic prosperity and social freedoms are 'nothing issues'.

Like literally what am I meant to say lol. I'm not a Slavic or White Nationalist and I'm not religious so why would, once again, I approach it from those fronts.

Whats your arguments for supporting United Russia, other than them being 'culturally distinct' (Literally a worthless reason once again)

[Spiffier]

Its pretty funny how you think economic prosperity and social freedoms are 'nothing issues'.

It's pretty funny how you think morality, family and culture are nothing issues.