White House: Trump's Statement "Disqualifies" Him

[Daburuetchi]

You mean like how Obama was "disqualified" from being President by being a foreign-born Muslim, because Trump said so?

I honestly expect better from the White House than to descend to that level of mudslinging.

Your standards are far too high for this day and age

[Eastern Equestria]

He can just take the oath and break it. At this point, that's basically allowed by common law and numerous precedent.

This. There's no real accountability for the federal government anymore, so Presidents can do what they want.

They can't do anything substantial without the House and Senate's approval, so not really.

You mean like how Obama was "disqualified" from being President by being a foreign-born Muslim, because Trump said so?

I honestly expect better from the White House than to descend to that level of mudslinging

At least the White House had valid grounds for that kind of disparaging remark.

[Grinning Dragon]

To be fair, the donald did say until things can be sorted out as in the quote below.
“total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on.” -Donald Trump.

In 1980 the feckless president jimmy carter actually grew a spine and banned iranians from entering into the U.S. by invoking the Nationality Act of 1952.
Then during a speech to the nation.

With the USSC signing off on his deportation of any iranian whose visas were found to be in violation.


I guess in a sort of way one could say that this sort of thing has already been done

The situations aren't at all comparable.

The state of Iran had just taken the US embassy in Tehran hostage. In response, as diplomatic pressure, all Iranian students were expelled and entrants denied. Because they were pressuring the Iranian state, which they had just broken off relations with.

This is like saying "we're going to prohibit blacks from entering the country until they stop doing inner city crimes" or "we're going to kick out all Asians until China stops trying to overtake our economy".
Even those aren't really comparable because those are talking about broad ethnicities while Trump is talking about a fucking religion that a quarter of the world holds.

I had inadvertently left out part of my original post. Here is the addendum I posted to Farn.

He also barred any iranians from entering the US. by invoking: 8 US code /# 1182- Inadmissible Aliens, it allows the US government to stop anyone or any group they deem as a danger to the US from entering

Secretary of Treasury [State] and the Attorney General will invalidate all visas issued to Iranian citizens for future entry into the United States, effective today. We will not reissue visas, nor will we issue new visas, except for compelling and proven humanitarian reasons or where the national interest of our own country requires. This directive will be interpreted very strictly.

I'm just getting at what trump had said isn't all that shocking, IMO.

[Ostroeuropa]

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/artic ... n-proposal

2/3rds of republican voters back the ban on muslim immigration.

[Imperializt Russia]

The situations aren't at all comparable.

The state of Iran had just taken the US embassy in Tehran hostage. In response, as diplomatic pressure, all Iranian students were expelled and entrants denied. Because they were pressuring the Iranian state, which they had just broken off relations with.

This is like saying "we're going to prohibit blacks from entering the country until they stop doing inner city crimes" or "we're going to kick out all Asians until China stops trying to overtake our economy".
Even those aren't really comparable because those are talking about broad ethnicities while Trump is talking about a fucking religion that a quarter of the world holds.

I had inadvertently left out part of my original post. Here is the addendum I posted to Farn.

He also barred any iranians from entering the US. by invoking: 8 US code /# 1182- Inadmissible Aliens, it allows the US government to stop anyone or any group they deem as a danger to the US from entering


I'm just getting at what trump had said isn't all that shocking, IMO.

I read it, considered it, and believed it to still not truly apply.

[Valystria]

You mean like how Obama was "disqualified" from being President by being a foreign-born Muslim, because Trump said so?

I honestly expect better from the White House than to descend to that level of mudslinging.

They don't consider it to be mudslinging when they themselves are partaking in it. It's only when the opponent does it it's considered mudslinging.

[Thermodolia]

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-12-09/bloomberg-politics-poll-trump-muslim-ban-proposal

2/3rds of republican voters back the ban on muslim immigration.

Oh dear. Nazi America here we come.

[Ugatoo]

You mean like how Obama was "disqualified" from being President by being a foreign-born Muslim, because Trump said so?

I honestly expect better from the White House than to descend to that level of mudslinging.

Your standards are far too high for this day and age

Or is it that your standards are far too low?

[Valystria]

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-12-09/bloomberg-politics-poll-trump-muslim-ban-proposal

2/3rds of republican voters back the ban on muslim immigration.

Oh dear. Nazi America here we come.

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The Nazis were pro-Muslim.

[Ugatoo]

Oh dear. Nazi America here we come.

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The Nazis were pro-Muslim.

The Nazis were only pro-muslim because it gave them allies, had they won the Japanese and Muslims would have been the next targets.

[Valystria]

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The Nazis were pro-Muslim.

The Nazis were only pro-muslim because it gave them allies, had they won the Japanese and Muslims would have been the next targets.

The evidence is against your attempt at historical revisionism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relations_between_Nazi_Germany_and_the_Arab_world#Hitler.27s_views_on_Islam_and_the_Arab_world

[Ostroeuropa]

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The Nazis were pro-Muslim.

The Nazis were only pro-muslim because it gave them allies, had they won the Japanese and Muslims would have been the next targets.

Not true. The Nazis weren't world conquest types. They wanted to conquer Europe. They were big on racial ancestry shit.

The ideal Nazi World was a united europe under Nazism, a united East Asia under Imperial Cult, a united Arab world under Islam, etc.

[Imperializt Russia]

The Nazis were only pro-muslim because it gave them allies, had they won the Japanese and Muslims would have been the next targets.

Not true. The Nazis weren't world conquest types. They wanted to conquer Europe. They were big on racial ancestry shit.

The ideal Nazi World was a united europe under Nazism, a united East Asia under Imperial Cult, a united Arab world under Islam, etc.

Fake racial ancestry shit, a lot of it also wrong for being about racial ancestry in the first place, but basically yeah.

Remember that "Iran" became Iran from "Persia" because that's the Arab spelling of "Aryan" or some such.

[Nusantaran Sundaland]

He won't be president for sure
He lost a lot of votes bcs of his anti-muslim and immigration statements

[Ostroeuropa]

Not true. The Nazis weren't world conquest types. They wanted to conquer Europe. They were big on racial ancestry shit.

The ideal Nazi World was a united europe under Nazism, a united East Asia under Imperial Cult, a united Arab world under Islam, etc.

Fake racial ancestry shit, a lot of it also wrong for being about racial ancestry in the first place, but basically yeah.

Remember that "Iran" became Iran from "Persia" because that's the Arab spelling of "Aryan" or some such.

Yeh, fake racist ancestry shit. Fair point.

[Ugatoo]

He won't be president for sure
He lost a lot of votes bcs of his anti-muslim and immigration statements

Because the right wing is famous for being pro-Muslim and pro-immigration right?

[Ostroeuropa]

He won't be president for sure
He lost a lot of votes bcs of his anti-muslim and immigration statements

If Sanders is the nominee I expect Trump will lose.
If it's Clinton, he may well win.

[Ugatoo]

He won't be president for sure
He lost a lot of votes bcs of his anti-muslim and immigration statements

If Sanders is the nominee I expect Trump will lose.
If it's Clinton, he may well win.

Clinton will beat Trump because America is a Corporatist oligarchy and Clinton is backed by corporations and Trump is backed by individuals.

[Valystria]

He won't be president for sure
He lost a lot of votes bcs of his anti-muslim and immigration statements

Because the right wing is famous for being pro-Muslim and pro-immigration right?

They were pro-Muslim until only recently.

http://mic.com/articles/130019/muslims-helped-elect-george-w-bush-now-the-gop-front-runner-wants-to-ban-them#.xfucS5vew

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/12/republicans-muslim-vote-george-w-bush-donald-trump/419481/

[Ostroeuropa]

If Sanders is the nominee I expect Trump will lose.
If it's Clinton, he may well win.

Clinton will beat Trump because America is a Corporatist oligarchy and Clinton is backed by corporations and Trump is backed by individuals.

But people are aware of that, and the more the media attacks Trump, the stronger he becomes.

[Ugatoo]

Clinton will beat Trump because America is a Corporatist oligarchy and Clinton is backed by corporations and Trump is backed by individuals.

But people are aware of that, and the more the media attacks Trump, the stronger he becomes.

Do you honestly think the average person either knows or understands the ramifications of voting for a corporation backed candidate vs an individual backed candidate?

[Ostroeuropa]

Because the right wing is famous for being pro-Muslim and pro-immigration right?

They were pro-Muslim until only recently.

http://mic.com/articles/130019/muslims-helped-elect-george-w-bush-now-the-gop-front-runner-wants-to-ban-them#.xfucS5vew

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/12/republicans-muslim-vote-george-w-bush-donald-trump/419481/

Not surprising that a section of the population that is known for having ultraconservative views would back bush.

Nor is it surprising that after muslim countries get attacked and such that they abandon support and go democrat. Tribalism is common among religious fundamentalists.

You know how christians on the right whine about christian persecution?
Muslims do the exact same thing, difference is the left establishment listens to them.
Why?

Brown.

[Imperializt Russia]

Because the right wing is famous for being pro-Muslim and pro-immigration right?

They were pro-Muslim until only recently.

http://mic.com/articles/130019/muslims-helped-elect-george-w-bush-now-the-gop-front-runner-wants-to-ban-them#.xfucS5vew

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/12/republicans-muslim-vote-george-w-bush-donald-trump/419481/

Let's not forgot that Dubya made a statement mere days after 9/11 urging America not to use what became the War on Terror as a race war or a clash of cultures, actually quoting the Quran and calling Islam the religion of peace.

How far the world has fallen when George W motherfucking Bush is now essentially the most enlightened of right-wing thinkers.

[Thermodolia]

Oh dear. Nazi America here we come.

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The Nazis were pro-Muslim.

Yes I'm well aware of what the nazis are and aren't. The reason I used the nazis is because they got rid of an entire Ethnic religious group (the Jews) and Trump wants to do the same to the Muslims, so the comparison fits. Also Nazis in America are ANTI-Jewish and Muslim.

[Slaveavania]

They were pro-Muslim until only recently.

http://mic.com/articles/130019/muslims-helped-elect-george-w-bush-now-the-gop-front-runner-wants-to-ban-them#.xfucS5vew

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/12/republicans-muslim-vote-george-w-bush-donald-trump/419481/

Let's not forgot that Dubya made a statement mere days after 9/11 urging America not to use what became the War on Terror as a race war or a clash of cultures, actually quoting the Quran and calling Islam the religion of peace.

How far the world has fallen when George W motherfucking Bush is now essentially the most enlightened of right-wing thinkers.

Enlightened isn't the right word. He just wasn't strong in his convictions. So really, Bush was a failure.