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Monarch is just a term.
The appropriate gender-neutral title would be "Sovereign".

Which I use later, cause the xuing thing was just a riff on the original Queen, erm King gaff, but I am always glad to provide fodder for the humorless technocrats.
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Postby Phydios » Wed Dec 09, 2015 11:39 am

It would be wonderful if Trump was actually banned from running. I'm a committed Republican, and I think he's just as bad as Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama. He's an arrogant, unprofessional, obnoxious jerk who deliberately trolls in real life and calls that political incorrectness. (Seriously, if Trump were talking on these forums, he'd get smacked by the mods repeatedly, mostly for trolling.) I never thought I'd see actual "Islamophobia", but this statement is pretty much it.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Wed Dec 09, 2015 11:42 am

Phydios wrote:It would be wonderful if Trump was actually banned from running. I'm a committed Republican, and I think he's just as bad as Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama. He's an arrogant, unprofessional, obnoxious jerk who deliberately trolls in real life and calls that political incorrectness. (Seriously, if Trump were talking on these forums, he'd get smacked by the mods repeatedly, mostly for trolling.) I never thought I'd see actual "Islamophobia", but this statement is pretty much it.

In what deluded fantasy land is Trump in any way comparable to Clinton or Obama? Clinton's bland and Obama has some wit, and neither of those two are feckless racist morons.
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Postby The Lone Alliance » Wed Dec 09, 2015 3:49 pm

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So that's what Republicans mean by saying "The dead vote democrat"... though I think zombies would avoid the 2016 campaign... they'd starve to death.
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Postby Kauthar » Wed Dec 09, 2015 4:14 pm

Phydios wrote:It would be wonderful if Trump was actually banned from running. I'm a committed Republican, and I think he's just as bad as Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama. He's an arrogant, unprofessional, obnoxious jerk who deliberately trolls in real life and calls that political incorrectness. (Seriously, if Trump were talking on these forums, he'd get smacked by the mods repeatedly, mostly for trolling.) I never thought I'd see actual "Islamophobia", but this statement is pretty much it.

So he should be banned because you don't like him? He's funny as fuck, and he knows what's right for America.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Wed Dec 09, 2015 4:15 pm

He can just take the oath and break it. At this point, that's basically allowed by common law and numerous precedent.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Wed Dec 09, 2015 4:19 pm

I don't think he ever intended or expected to win anyways. He's running for the experience and the fun; being a rich person he's already done nearly everything else.

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Postby The Orson Empire » Wed Dec 09, 2015 4:20 pm

Kauthar wrote:Jesus christ his instagram is full of cancerous comments from 11 year olds, Mexicans, The Black Judean crowd and people who can't spell for shit saying "HAHAHAH DISQUALIFIED."

Obama is a Muslim, let me make this clear, which is why he is annoyed at this. He even said in an interview "MY ISLAMIC FAITH". As well as that, the 1952 Immigration and Nationality Act (Public Law 414) prohibits entry to an alien (exact terminology used) if their organization or beliefs support overthrowing the government of the USA by force, violence or other unconstitutional means. That by very law effectively outlaws Islam, as the Koran/Qur'an, Hadith and Sharia Law require complete submission to Islam, which is antithetical to the US government and the constitution. God bless Trump!

Ughh, what is this, the Youtube comment section?

There is no evidence that proves Obama is a Muslim. Even if he was, it shouldn't matter what god he serves. The US is a secular nation.

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Postby Galloism » Wed Dec 09, 2015 4:20 pm

If "listens to the White House" and "supports Trump" were set up as a venn diagram, one would need an electron microscope to determine if there was actually any overlap or not.
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Postby The Orson Empire » Wed Dec 09, 2015 4:22 pm

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Phydios wrote:It would be wonderful if Trump was actually banned from running. I'm a committed Republican, and I think he's just as bad as Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama. He's an arrogant, unprofessional, obnoxious jerk who deliberately trolls in real life and calls that political incorrectness. (Seriously, if Trump were talking on these forums, he'd get smacked by the mods repeatedly, mostly for trolling.) I never thought I'd see actual "Islamophobia", but this statement is pretty much it.

So he should be banned because you don't like him? He's funny as fuck, and he knows what's right for America.

Statements like these are what make me lose faith in humanity. The fact that people believe that Donald Trump knows what's right for America is absolutely insane.

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Wed Dec 09, 2015 4:24 pm

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Kauthar wrote:So he should be banned because you don't like him? He's funny as fuck, and he knows what's right for America.

Statements like these are what make me lose faith in humanity. The fact that people believe that Donald Trump knows what's right for America is absolutely insane.


I don't think anyone believes Trump is right for america. I think people see him as a wrecking ammendment to derail everything our establishment is attempting. It isn't love of trump, it's spite for the opposition.
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Postby The Orson Empire » Wed Dec 09, 2015 4:25 pm

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The Orson Empire wrote:Statements like these are what make me lose faith in humanity. The fact that people believe that Donald Trump knows what's right for America is absolutely insane.


I don't think anyone believes Trump is right for america. I think people see him as a wrecking ammendment to derail everything our establishment is attempting. It isn't love of trump, it's spite for the opposition.

I think you are doubting how stupid people can really be. Trust me, there are people out there that believe everything Trump says.

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Wed Dec 09, 2015 4:26 pm

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Ostroeuropa wrote:
I don't think anyone believes Trump is right for america. I think people see him as a wrecking ammendment to derail everything our establishment is attempting. It isn't love of trump, it's spite for the opposition.

I think you are doubting how stupid people can really be. Trust me, there are people out there that believe everything Trump says.


He's not the hero America needs right now. Unfortunately, he's not the villain it needs right now either... sadly though, he might be the villain it deserves
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Wed Dec 09, 2015 4:28 pm

The Orson Empire wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
I don't think anyone believes Trump is right for america. I think people see him as a wrecking ammendment to derail everything our establishment is attempting. It isn't love of trump, it's spite for the opposition.

I think you are doubting how stupid people can really be. Trust me, there are people out there that believe everything Trump says.


Maybe a few. But Trumps biggest surges in support have been when he goes against political corruption, political correctness, and the media establishment. I think he mostly represents dislike of the establishment. As he becomes more and more outrageous and extreme in his views he becomes less and less like the status quo.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Wed Dec 09, 2015 4:29 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
The Orson Empire wrote:I think you are doubting how stupid people can really be. Trust me, there are people out there that believe everything Trump says.


Maybe a few. But Trumps biggest surges in support have been when he goes against political corruption, political correctness, and the media establishment. I think he mostly represents dislike of the establishment. As he becomes more and more outrageous and extreme in his views he becomes less and less like the status quo.


the status quo in America IS pretty broken and corrupt though; I'll at least say that

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Postby Imperializt Russia » Wed Dec 09, 2015 4:32 pm

Galloism wrote:If "listens to the White House" and "supports Trump" were set up as a venn diagram, one would need an electron microscope to determine if there was actually any overlap or not.

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Postby New confederate ramenia » Wed Dec 09, 2015 7:43 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:He can just take the oath and break it. At this point, that's basically allowed by common law and numerous precedent.
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This. There's no real accountability for the federal government anymore, so Presidents can do what they want. I used to like Trump, but this statement of his cannot be tolerated.
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:00 pm

To be fair, the donald did say until things can be sorted out as in the quote below.
“total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on.” -Donald Trump.

In 1980 the feckless president jimmy carter actually grew a spine and banned iranians from entering into the U.S. by invoking the Nationality Act of 1952.
Then during a speech to the nation.
The United States of America is breaking diplomatic relations with the Government of Iran. The Secretary of State has informed the Government of Iran that its Embassy and consulates in the United States are to be closed immediately. All Iranian diplomatic and consular officials have been declared persona non grata and must leave this country by midnight tomorrow.

With the USSC signing off on his deportation of any iranian whose visas were found to be in violation.
Carter orders 50,000 Iranian students in US to report to immigration office with view to deporting those in violation of their visas. On 27 December 1979, US appeals court allows deportation of Iranian students found in violation. (CRS 1981, 38, 71)


I guess in a sort of way one could say that this sort of thing has already been done

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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:04 pm

Grinning Dragon wrote:To be fair, the donald did say until things can be sorted out as in the quote below.
“total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on.” -Donald Trump.

In 1980 the feckless president jimmy carter actually grew a spine and banned iranians from entering into the U.S. by invoking the Nationality Act of 1952.
Then during a speech to the nation.
The United States of America is breaking diplomatic relations with the Government of Iran. The Secretary of State has informed the Government of Iran that its Embassy and consulates in the United States are to be closed immediately. All Iranian diplomatic and consular officials have been declared persona non grata and must leave this country by midnight tomorrow.

With the USSC signing off on his deportation of any iranian whose visas were found to be in violation.
Carter orders 50,000 Iranian students in US to report to immigration office with view to deporting those in violation of their visas. On 27 December 1979, US appeals court allows deportation of Iranian students found in violation. (CRS 1981, 38, 71)


I guess in a sort of way one could say that this sort of thing has already been done

Neither of those is the same thing. Telling the diplomats of a nation with which you have broken off relations is standard procedure. The Iranian students were told to report to Immigration offices so their visa status could be determined. It is a civil offense to remain in the country after your visa has expired.
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Postby The Carlisle » Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:10 pm

I really wished this actually could happen. Trump is a direct threat to muslim-americans, who are already a marginalized group in this nation. Treating them like sleeper cells for ISIS and Al Quada will only further the divide between them and this nation. Fuck, it'll probably encourage more to adopt extremist views and increase terrorist attacks.
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:13 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:To be fair, the donald did say until things can be sorted out as in the quote below.
“total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on.” -Donald Trump.

In 1980 the feckless president jimmy carter actually grew a spine and banned iranians from entering into the U.S. by invoking the Nationality Act of 1952.
Then during a speech to the nation.

With the USSC signing off on his deportation of any iranian whose visas were found to be in violation.


I guess in a sort of way one could say that this sort of thing has already been done

Neither of those is the same thing. Telling the diplomats of a nation with which you have broken off relations is standard procedure. The Iranian students were told to report to Immigration offices so their visa status could be determined. It is a civil offense to remain in the country after your visa has expired.


He also barred any iranians from entering the US. by invoking: 8 US code /# 1182- Inadmissible Aliens, it allows the US government to stop anyone or any group they deem as a danger to the US from entering
Secretary of Treasury [State] and the Attorney General will invalidate all visas issued to Iranian citizens for future entry into the United States, effective today. We will not reissue visas, nor will we issue new visas, except for compelling and proven humanitarian reasons or where the national interest of our own country requires. This directive will be interpreted very strictly.


I'm just getting at what trump had said isn't all that shocking, IMO.

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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:14 pm

Grinning Dragon wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Neither of those is the same thing. Telling the diplomats of a nation with which you have broken off relations is standard procedure. The Iranian students were told to report to Immigration offices so their visa status could be determined. It is a civil offense to remain in the country after your visa has expired.


He also barred any iranians from entering the US. by invoking: 8 US code /# 1182- Inadmissible Aliens, it allows the US government to stop anyone or any group they deem as a danger to the US from entering
Secretary of Treasury [State] and the Attorney General will invalidate all visas issued to Iranian citizens for future entry into the United States, effective today. We will not reissue visas, nor will we issue new visas, except for compelling and proven humanitarian reasons or where the national interest of our own country requires. This directive will be interpreted very strictly.


I'm just getting at what trump had said isn't all that shocking, IMO.

Welp, I stand corrected. You might have mentioned that in your original post, though.
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:17 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:
He also barred any iranians from entering the US. by invoking: 8 US code /# 1182- Inadmissible Aliens, it allows the US government to stop anyone or any group they deem as a danger to the US from entering


I'm just getting at what trump had said isn't all that shocking, IMO.

Welp, I stand corrected. You might have mentioned that in your original post, though.

In all honesty, I thought I had, that will teach me to post and help with homework at the same time.

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Postby Imperializt Russia » Thu Dec 10, 2015 4:06 am

Grinning Dragon wrote:To be fair, the donald did say until things can be sorted out as in the quote below.
“total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on.” -Donald Trump.

In 1980 the feckless president jimmy carter actually grew a spine and banned iranians from entering into the U.S. by invoking the Nationality Act of 1952.
Then during a speech to the nation.
The United States of America is breaking diplomatic relations with the Government of Iran. The Secretary of State has informed the Government of Iran that its Embassy and consulates in the United States are to be closed immediately. All Iranian diplomatic and consular officials have been declared persona non grata and must leave this country by midnight tomorrow.

With the USSC signing off on his deportation of any iranian whose visas were found to be in violation.
Carter orders 50,000 Iranian students in US to report to immigration office with view to deporting those in violation of their visas. On 27 December 1979, US appeals court allows deportation of Iranian students found in violation. (CRS 1981, 38, 71)


I guess in a sort of way one could say that this sort of thing has already been done

The situations aren't at all comparable.

The state of Iran had just taken the US embassy in Tehran hostage. In response, as diplomatic pressure, all Iranian students were expelled and entrants denied. Because they were pressuring the Iranian state, which they had just broken off relations with.

This is like saying "we're going to prohibit blacks from entering the country until they stop doing inner city crimes" or "we're going to kick out all Asians until China stops trying to overtake our economy".
Even those aren't really comparable because those are talking about broad ethnicities while Trump is talking about a fucking religion that a quarter of the world holds.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Thu Dec 10, 2015 4:34 am

You mean like how Obama was "disqualified" from being President by being a foreign-born Muslim, because Trump said so?

I honestly expect better from the White House than to descend to that level of mudslinging.
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