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Postby Liberty and Linguistics » Wed Dec 02, 2015 4:55 pm

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True, but it's not so much the high status that matters to them. Perhaps these guys were independent terrorists who nevertheless aligned with ISIS thinking?

Also, the suspect's name is apparently Farooq Saeed, as that's the name currently circulating right now according to police chatter on the scanners.

Racial profiling. Wonderful.


Jesus fucking Christ.

If the suspect has an Arabic name, the likelihood that it's a Muslim terrorist increases exponentially. Sure, the suspect Saeed may not be Muslim, nor may he may a terrorist, but it's seeming ever more probable.

If trying to piece together pieces of the puzzle is racial profiling to you, then you seriously need to read a dictionary.
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Postby Napkiraly » Wed Dec 02, 2015 4:55 pm

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The greater Los Angeles area isn't all actually Los Angeles.

Clearly Newark and New Haven are actually NYC, since they are within its metropolitan area. *nod*
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Postby Camicon » Wed Dec 02, 2015 4:55 pm

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Camicon wrote:To my knowledge, NASA never developed rockets for the purpose of exploding them on a target

No, but that was what rockets were historically first designed for (note: this may be a bit of an overexpansion as one might point to the rocket-driven-arrows used by China/Korea instead, which weren't designed for exploding on a target as much as expanding the range for the arrow, but I think it's a fair expansion in the context being discussed relating to 'killing people').
Clearly all rockets were and are designed for that, then.
Camicon wrote:but please, tell me more about these firearms that aren't designed to punch hole in things with lethally fast chunks of lead.
Tell me about the rockets that wouldn't seriously fuck-up someone's day if they landed on (or near) them?
'Designed to punch hole in things with fast chunks of lead' is not the same as 'designed for killing people'. Much as 'designed to punch through the atmosphere to get astronauts to SPACE for later return' is not the same as 'Punch through the atmosphere to get our nukes into SPACE for later return (at a different locale)' because the two describe different uses for overlapping categories of objects (firearms and rockets). Hence why one typically doesn't lambast NASA's rockets as military weapons designed for killing people (despite rockets historical development from such a point) and why on shouldn't paint all firearm as weapons designed for killing people (despite firearms historical development from such a point).
*shrug* It's a rather long-running misperception I've gotten very tired of hearing at this point.

Nobody is saying that rockets can't, or don't, kill people. I certainly haven't said that, nor have I contested that they were initially made to blow shit up. The point I'm making is that rockets which space agencies use are made specifically to transport things into outer space, and using them for any other purpose would be a bastardization. Much like how cars are designed to transport people from Point A to Point B, but some people use them as a weapon to kill people. NASA rockets, much like cars, and not made for the purpose of killing people.
Firearms, on the other hand, are almost uniformly made for the purpose of killing things, those used for target shooting being the only exception that comes to mind. What percentage of firearms in the US do you think are designed specifically for target shooting take up?
And, of course, this entire line of questioning ignores that nobody is trying to put rockets in every American home. We acknowledge that they are dangerous, and can pose a serious threat to the safety of the public, so we don't let people stock up on RPG's. The same cannot be said for firearms in the US.
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Camicon wrote:Firearms propel chunks of lead at blindingly fast speeds, for the sole intent of punching holes in things. The only kind of firearm you could might be able to contend is not designed to punch holes in living creatures would be those designed specifically for target-shooting, and how often do you think those are used in firearm crime?
Given that early firearms had to be shot en masse in the general direction of your target to have any hope of hitting it at range, I think we can safely say that firearms were designed with large military engagements, and personal defence at very close range, in mind. Unless you can think of some other reason firearms were developed?
Not all firearms do that many are designed to propel plastic pieces(beanbag gun) to disperse a crowd, others propel pieces that are too small punch holes in things(BB gun), and other still do not fire projectiles at all ( starter pistols).
Likewise there are hammers designed solely for getting through armor and killing people(the goedendag).

Those differences would be due to the ammunition (or lack thereof), not the firearm (BB guns are not firearms).
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Postby Geilinor » Wed Dec 02, 2015 4:56 pm

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It's San bernidino, it's in the Los Angeles metropolitan area.

Being in the area does not make it LA.

We said that it's near LA.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Dec 02, 2015 4:56 pm

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It's San bernidino, it's in the Los Angeles metropolitan area.

That doesn't make it LA.

In terms of media coverage, and a terror attack on a large metropolitan area, yes it is.
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Postby Zeinbrad » Wed Dec 02, 2015 4:57 pm

Liberty and Linguistics wrote:
Nilla Wayfarers wrote:Racial profiling. Wonderful.


Jesus fucking Christ.

If the suspect has an Arabic name, the likelihood that it's a Muslim terrorist increases exponentially. Sure, the suspect Saeed may not be Muslim, nor may he may a terrorist, but it's seeming ever more probable.

If trying to piece together pieces of the puzzle is racial profiling to you, then you seriously need to read a dictionary.

Hate to rock your boat, but Arabic name doesn't equal Muslim. Christians live in the Middle East too and such.
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Postby Ganos Lao » Wed Dec 02, 2015 4:57 pm

We got a standoff situation going. The last suspect's apparently barricaded himself in a nearby home.



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Postby Wallenburg » Wed Dec 02, 2015 4:57 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:If they wanted to send a message, they would attack Washington. Or New York. Or Los Angeles. Or Chicago. Not a city many Americans don't even know about.

Psst, this is LA

:palm: Not even the same county.
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Postby Liberty and Linguistics » Wed Dec 02, 2015 4:57 pm

Zeinbrad wrote:
Liberty and Linguistics wrote:
Jesus fucking Christ.

If the suspect has an Arabic name, the likelihood that it's a Muslim terrorist increases exponentially. Sure, the suspect Saeed may not be Muslim, nor may he may a terrorist, but it's seeming ever more probable.

If trying to piece together pieces of the puzzle is racial profiling to you, then you seriously need to read a dictionary.

Hate to rock your boat, but Arabic name doesn't equal Muslim. Christians live in the Middle East too and such.


You think I'm not aware of that?

Christ dude, I said the chances increase, I never said its certainty.
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Postby Ganos Lao » Wed Dec 02, 2015 4:57 pm

Zeinbrad wrote:
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Jesus fucking Christ.

If the suspect has an Arabic name, the likelihood that it's a Muslim terrorist increases exponentially. Sure, the suspect Saeed may not be Muslim, nor may he may a terrorist, but it's seeming ever more probable.

If trying to piece together pieces of the puzzle is racial profiling to you, then you seriously need to read a dictionary.

Hate to rock your boat, but Arabic name doesn't equal Muslim. Christians live in the Middle East too and such.


Sure, the suspect Saeed may not be Muslim, nor may he may a terrorist, but it's seeming ever more probable.



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Postby Luminesa » Wed Dec 02, 2015 4:58 pm

Ganos Lao wrote:We got a standoff situation going. The last suspect's apparently barricaded himself in a nearby home.


Great. Someone's gotta get him outta there.

Where are the other two?
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Postby Nilla Wayfarers » Wed Dec 02, 2015 4:58 pm

Liberty and Linguistics wrote:
Nilla Wayfarers wrote:Racial profiling. Wonderful.


Jesus fucking Christ.

If the suspect has an Arabic name, the likelihood that it's a Muslim terrorist increases exponentially. Sure, the suspect Saeed may not be Muslim, nor may he may a terrorist, but it's seeming ever more probable.

If trying to piece together pieces of the puzzle is racial profiling to you, then you seriously need to read a dictionary.

What was the point of reporting that name to is if not to show he may be Middle Eastern or Syrian?
And what is the point of saying that if not to suggest a connection between his race and his guilt?
It's still racial profiling, even if it's accurate.
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Postby Napkiraly » Wed Dec 02, 2015 4:58 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Zeinbrad wrote:Being in the area does not make it LA.

We said that it's near LA.

No, Ethel said it is LA.
Ethel mermania wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:That doesn't make it LA.

In terms of media coverage, and a terror attack on a large metropolitan area, yes it is.
That's why everyone is saying San Bernardino, Los Angeles. Oh no, wait they aren't.

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Postby Ganos Lao » Wed Dec 02, 2015 4:58 pm

Luminesa wrote:
Ganos Lao wrote:We got a standoff situation going. The last suspect's apparently barricaded himself in a nearby home.


Great. Someone's gotta get him outta there.

Where are the other two?


Dead.



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Postby Greed and Death » Wed Dec 02, 2015 4:58 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:If they wanted to send a message, they would attack Washington. Or New York. Or Los Angeles. Or Chicago. Not a city many Americans don't even know about.

Psst, this is LA

Thats not a real city just a place movie writers invented so they would not have to learn about other locations when they write.
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Postby Kelinfort » Wed Dec 02, 2015 4:59 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:That doesn't make it LA.

In terms of media coverage, and a terror attack on a large metropolitan area, yes it is.

Eh, it's about 60+ miles away. If it were a terror attack, Pershing Square in LA makes a whole lot more sense.

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Postby Luminesa » Wed Dec 02, 2015 4:59 pm

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Great. Someone's gotta get him outta there.

Where are the other two?


Dead.


Good.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Dec 02, 2015 4:59 pm

Napkiraly wrote:
Nilla Wayfarers wrote:The greater Los Angeles area isn't all actually Los Angeles.

Clearly Newark and New Haven are actually NYC, since they are within its metropolitan area. *nod*

As far as counter terrorism is concerned, Newark would be, new Haven wouldnt.
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Postby Liberty and Linguistics » Wed Dec 02, 2015 5:00 pm

Nilla Wayfarers wrote:
Liberty and Linguistics wrote:
Jesus fucking Christ.

If the suspect has an Arabic name, the likelihood that it's a Muslim terrorist increases exponentially. Sure, the suspect Saeed may not be Muslim, nor may he may a terrorist, but it's seeming ever more probable.

If trying to piece together pieces of the puzzle is racial profiling to you, then you seriously need to read a dictionary.

What was the point of reporting that name to is if not to show he may be Middle Eastern or Syrian?
And what is the point of saying that if not to suggest a connection between his race and his guilt?
It's still racial profiling, even if it's accurate.


That's not at all what anyone here was suggesting.

What I'm hearing from you is "no, no, don't you dare consider the possibilities that it was a terrorist because of the suspect's name, that's raaacist!"
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Postby Nirvash Type TheEND » Wed Dec 02, 2015 5:00 pm

Ganos Lao wrote:We got a standoff situation going. The last suspect's apparently barricaded himself in a nearby home.

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Postby Zeinbrad » Wed Dec 02, 2015 5:00 pm

Ganos Lao wrote:
Zeinbrad wrote:Hate to rock your boat, but Arabic name doesn't equal Muslim. Christians live in the Middle East too and such.


Sure, the suspect Saeed may not be Muslim, nor may he may a terrorist, but it's seeming ever more probable.

Well I'm sorry then.
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4 minutes ago15:55 Ford F150 truck is a suspect vehicle now. /u/themuleskinner

7 minutes agoHispanic male, shaved head, orange shirt, camo pants. Police are trying to apprehend on East Briar Dr. /u/ctaggie

7 minutes ago15:53 They have tracked a suspect hispanic male near 1003 East Brier Dr. /u/themuleskinner

9 minutes agoBody pulled out of backseat of SUV on E San Bernardino. /u/SoggyToastTime

14 minutes ago"hey man, I am in the amazon building at 1910 E central and our employees in the parking lot heard the gunshots and ran inside. We are just on the other side of the wash of the SUV and it aligned with the times of that, but no shots at amazon itself" user requested to remaining anon /u/thecackster

15 minutes agoHouses on E San Bernardino being evacuated. /u/ctaggie

15 minutes agoReports of somebody running across the airfield after the shots were fired near Amazon. Unknown if it was a suspect or a bystander fleeing. /u/ctaggie

16 minutes ago15:44 Suspect with camo pants and orange shirt behind church /u/thecackster

16 minutes agoUpdate: report of shots fired near 1910 Central Avenue, Amazon fulfillment center. thanks /u/spookyyz /u/thecackster
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Postby Wallenburg » Wed Dec 02, 2015 5:02 pm

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Dead.


Good.

I see "innocent until proven guilty" is out the window, and summary executions are perfectly fine.
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Postby The Central Shadow Nation » Wed Dec 02, 2015 5:02 pm

Just up the hill from my town. Hemet gets a lot of crime. Riverside country and San Bernadino are dangerous places.
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Postby Crysuko » Wed Dec 02, 2015 5:02 pm

*mass shooting*
is it time for gun control now?

*mass shooting*
is it time for gun control now?

*mass shooting*
is it time for gun control now!?
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