Mass Shooting in California, 20 victims

[Ganos Lao]

MPs vote overwhelmingly in favour of bombing Syria in the United Kingdom.

If this is ISIS, will Congress ramp up their share? Will there be some grand strategy?

[Alyakia]

To my knowledge, NASA never developed rockets for the purpose of exploding them on a target; but please, tell me more about these firearms that aren't designed to punch hole in things with lethally fast chunks of lead.

NASAs first serious rockets were ICBMs......

reminder that "nuke the moon lol" was a serious proposal at one point

[Noraika]

The equipment these guys had isn't something gun laws would have stopped, from the sounds of things these people would have gotten it regardless.

Any word on motive yet?

What did they have, then?

I can't say for certain, but it seems almost military-grade stuff. Body armour and what appear to be long-gun (like an HK) from the sound of it.

[Fartsniffage]

MPs vote overwhelmingly in favour of bombing Syria in the United Kingdom.

If this is ISIS, will Congress do the same?

The US is already bombing Syria....

[Washington Resistance Army]

The equipment these guys had isn't something gun laws would have stopped, from the sounds of things these people would have gotten it regardless.

Any word on motive yet?

What did they have, then?

Body armor/tactical vests, military fatigues, various other such things.

It was organized at some level, lots of people seem to think it was Daesh but I'm not sold on that.

[Ganos Lao]

MPs vote overwhelmingly in favour of bombing Syria in the United Kingdom.

If this is ISIS, will Congress do the same?

The US is already bombing Syria....

Whoops. I meant to say would their current strategy intensify in some way.

[Planita]

Two SWAT vehicles are surrounding a black car. I'm watching my local news.

[Occupied Deutschland]

Huh.
I hope we can emphasize rockets being invented with killing people in mind to direct some of that sweet funding that'd otherwise go to the military into NASA. Sure, we can wave off the 'multiple purposes' NASA puts their rockets to, surely if we advertise the totally-sensible standard of all rockets being invented for killing people we can finally get a dedicated launch platform made.
...Of course, we'd be lying but hey, for space, I'm down I suppose...

In any case, too little information to say very much at this point. Rather plausible the 'body armor' might have been load-carrying vests (I believe the same misperception occurred after the Holmes shooting).
Apparently, NYT is reporting a gunfight, 'suspect down', and request for a bearcat (armored vehicle) by the local PD.

To my knowledge, NASA never developed rockets for the purpose of exploding them on a target

No Even assuming that was true, that was what rockets were historically first designed for (note: this may be a bit of an overexpansion as one might point to the rocket-driven-arrows used by China/Korea instead, which weren't designed for exploding on a target as much as expanding the range for the arrow, but I think it's a fair expansion in the context being discussed relating to 'killing people').
Clearly all rockets were and are designed for that, then.

Although, a others have pointed out, NASAs work was highly tied-in with the development of ICBMs. I wouldn't say that makes NASAs work as a driver of killing people, however.

but please, tell me more about these firearms that aren't designed to punch hole in things with lethally fast chunks of lead.

Tell me about the rockets that wouldn't seriously fuck-up someone's day if they landed on (or near) them?
'Designed to punch hole in things with fast chunks of lead' is not the same as 'designed for killing people'. Much as 'designed to punch through the atmosphere to get astronauts to SPACE for later return' is not the same as 'Punch through the atmosphere to get our nukes into SPACE for later return (at a different locale)' because the two describe different uses for overlapping categories of objects (firearms and rockets). Hence why one typically doesn't lambast NASA's rockets as military weapons designed for killing people (despite rockets historical development from such a point) and why on shouldn't paint all firearm as weapons designed for killing people (despite firearms historical development from such a point).

*shrug* It's a rather long-running misperception I've gotten very tired of hearing at this point.

[The Corparation]

To my knowledge, NASA never developed rockets for the purpose of exploding them on a target; but please, tell me more about these firearms that aren't designed to punch hole in things with lethally fast chunks of lead.

NASAs first serious rockets were ICBMs......

Not just their first. Literally almost every rocket they've flown except for the Saturn-V and the Shuttle is derived from on an ICBM. The only exceptions are private launch vehicles like the Falcon 9 and Antares.

[Noraika]

What did they have, then?

Body armor/tactical vests, military fatigues, various other such things.

It was organized at some level, lots of people seem to think it was Daesh but I'm not sold on that.

It could be cartels, former military, political radicals, religious radicals, Foreign military. It could be bloddy anything at this point.

The only thing that is certain is that California already has issues with widespread poverty, violence, crime, et cetera, and the last thing they need is domestic or foreign terrorism.

[Nilla Wayfarers]

The US is already bombing Syria....

Whoops. I meant to say would their current strategy intensify in some way.

Well, umm... Yes. But why would they go after San Bernadino?

[Ganos Lao]

What did they have, then?

Body armor/tactical vests, military fatigues, various other such things.

It was organized at some level, lots of people seem to think it was Daesh but I'm not sold on that.

We'll have to wait till they start releasing whatever information's given to them by the survivors/witnesses.

[Greed and Death]

Indeed.
And? This doesn't make all firearms still conform to that 'designed to kill things' anymore than it makes all rockets conform to the same standard.

Technology can change the uses of things and expand their purpose. Not much news there, it's something that's been happening for pretty much all of human history.

The only place 'firearms were designed to kill things' (and nothing else!) claims are appropriate is in discussions of the historical development of firearms in China back in whenever-the-hell. It bears zero relevance to the modern items descended from those 'first' firearms.

Firearms propel chunks of lead at blindingly fast speeds, for the sole intent of punching holes in things. The only kind of firearm you could might be able to contend is not designed to punch holes in living creatures would be those designed specifically for target-shooting, and how often do you think those are used in firearm crime?

Given that early firearms had to be shot en masse in the general direction of your target to have any hope of hitting it at range, I think we can safely say that firearms were designed with large military engagements, and personal defence at very close range, in mind. Unless you can think of some other reason firearms were developed?

Not all firearms do that many are designed to propel plastic pieces(beanbag gun) to disperse a crowd, others propel pieces that are too small punch holes in things(BB gun), and other still do not fire projectiles at all ( starter pistols).

Likewise there are hammers designed solely for getting through armor and killing people(the goedendag).

[Ganos Lao]

Whoops. I meant to say would their current strategy intensify in some way.

Well, umm... Yes. But why would they go after San Bernadino?

If it's ISIS, it's to send a message. Why do you think they struck the targets they did in Paris? It's all to send a message.

[The Serbian Empire]

What did they have, then?

Body armor/tactical vests, military fatigues, various other such things.

It was organized at some level, lots of people seem to think it was Daesh but I'm not sold on that.

If it's not Daesh, it's the cartels based on the description of the suspects.

[Wallenburg]

Well, umm... Yes. But why would they go after San Bernadino?

If it's ISIS, it's to send a message. Why do you think they struck the targets they did in Paris? It's all to send a message.

If they wanted to send a message, they would attack Washington. Or New York. Or Los Angeles. Or Chicago. Not a city many Americans don't even know about.

[Nilla Wayfarers]

Well, umm... Yes. But why would they go after San Bernadino?

If it's ISIS, it's to send a message. Why do you think they struck the targets they did in Paris? It's all to send a message.

Paris is a little bit more important than San Bernadino.

[Fartsniffage]

If it's ISIS, it's to send a message. Why do you think they struck the targets they did in Paris? It's all to send a message.

Paris is a little bit more important than San Bernadino.

Dead people are still dead people.

[Mushet]

Well, umm... Yes. But why would they go after San Bernadino?

If it's ISIS, it's to send a message. Why do you think they struck the targets they did in Paris? It's all to send a message.

San Bernadino isn't a high status city like Paris. I find it odd that San Bernadino would be their choice to do that, not impossible but odd.

[Planita]

Apparently one of the shooters is loose in the neighborhood.

[Talvezout]

Well, umm... Yes. But why would they go after San Bernadino?

If it's ISIS, it's to send a message. Why do you think they struck the targets they did in Paris? It's all to send a message.

I understand you point, but one would think that if IS was to strike a city, it would be somewhere like San Francisco or Los Angeles.

That being said, if this actually is ISIS, then that just makes the whole thing worse...

[Wallenburg]

Paris is a little bit more important than San Bernadino.

Dead people are still dead people.

What makes you think he disagrees?

[Nilla Wayfarers]

Paris is a little bit more important than San Bernadino.

Dead people are still dead people.

Yes, but attacking a national capital makes a political statement.

[Zeinbrad]

Any motive yet?

[Alyakia]

Any motive yet?

no