Mass Shooting in California, 20 victims

[Occupied Deutschland]

Let's not pretend otherwise. Firearms were designed to kill things, and as the technology developed and you were actually able to hit what you were aiming at, people decided to do things like target shooing with them.

^ This

Yes, I like guns myself. But I just don't delude myself that guns are not weapons designed to kill. That's exactly what the fuck they were designed to do. That it has multiple purposes, like you would give a hammer multiple purposes? Nobody is denying that, I'm not. But just because you give something a personal purpose that doesn't mean the thing was invented with that particular purpose in mind.

Huh.
I hope we can emphasize rockets being invented with killing people in mind to direct some of that sweet funding that'd otherwise go to the military into NASA. Sure, we can wave off the 'multiple purposes' NASA puts their rockets to, surely if we advertise the totally-sensible standard of all rockets being invented for killing people we can finally get a dedicated launch platform made.
...Of course, we'd be lying but hey, for space, I'm down I suppose...

In any case, too little information to say very much at this point. Rather plausible the 'body armor' might have been load-carrying vests (I believe the same misperception occurred after the Holmes shooting).
Apparently, NYT is reporting a gunfight, 'suspect down', and request for a bearcat (armored vehicle) by the local PD.

[Wallenburg]

There's gunshots on the scanner right now. At least what sounded like gunshots. Something about "a cat coming to us".

One guy's down, "in the back of a car".

There's a gunfight going on right now.

Got it, still ongoing. I'll be severely disappointed if this is related to an Islamist group.

All the windows are out. It's a Ford Expedition. There is one suspect down, probably dead.

[Internationalist Bastard]

Got it, still ongoing. I'll be severely disappointed if this is related to an Islamist group.

If it is related to one? This is just the beginning.

It's more because all it would accomplish is making the divide deeper

[Ardoki]

Whether you like it or not, ISIS/ISIL is representative of Islam in the same way that the IRA, or LRA, is representative of Catholicism and Christian Orthodoxy.

It represents the misinformed, misguided, and extreme segments.

If I'm not mistaken the Daesh want to implement a regional theocracy correct?

The IRA never wanted to establish a regional theocracy.

They fought for a united Irish democratic socialist republic, according to themselves.

[Val Halla]

Ugh. Killing is bad so make them stop it

[Ganos Lao]

If it is related to one? This is just the beginning.

It's more because all it would accomplish is making the divide deeper

I don't think you get what I'm saying. Read my post again. My point is that this likely isn't the first attack.

[Wallenburg]

3 armored vehicles. This is interesting...

[Internationalist Bastard]

It's more because all it would accomplish is making the divide deeper

I don't think you get what I'm saying. Read my post again.

Oh my bad

[Ardoki]

We're going off-topic now.

So stop making up historical revisionist and neo-nazi lies.

[Trotskylvania]

The Irish Republican Army had nothing to do with Catholicism. Never did it claim to be acting due to or in favour of Catholicism (or any other type of Christianity). It's motivations and actions were entirely political, it wanted to achieve a united Ireland. Please stop making up lies.

I guess you are right about the Islamic State though.

Yeah Catholic Irish bombing the Protestant English


Nothing to do with religion.

Relgion is incidental in the conflict. The IRA are secular left-wing nationalists whose members happen to be predominantly Catholic. But Protestant and atheist Irish nationalists were part of the organization.

[Platypus Reborn]

Ugh. Killing is bad so make them stop it

I'll get right on that.

[Uxupox]

If I'm not mistaken the Daesh want to implement a regional theocracy correct?

The IRA never wanted to establish a regional theocracy.

They fought for a united Irish democratic socialist republic, according to themselves.

I know that. I was just responding to his comparison between the ISIS and the IRA.

[Glorious KASSRD]

Horrible, but expected. If we continue to keep things the same, the same results will happen.
My thoughts and prayers go to those affected.

[Wallenburg]

We're going off-topic now.

So stop making up historical revisionist and neo-nazi lies.

That's unnecessary.

[Val Halla]

Ugh. Killing is bad so make them stop it

I'll get right on that.

Well it obviously needs to be stopped. I don't think anyone can look at these events as something that can keep happening

[Washington Resistance Army]

Horrible, but expected. If we continue to keep things the same, the same results will happen.
My thoughts and prayers go to those affected.

The equipment these guys had isn't something gun laws would have stopped, from the sounds of things these people would have gotten it regardless.

Any word on motive yet?

[Fartsniffage]

Horrible, but expected. If we continue to keep things the same, the same results will happen.
My thoughts and prayers go to those affected.

The equipment these guys had isn't something gun laws would have stopped, from the sounds of things these people would have gotten it regardless.

Any word on motive yet?

No.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Well this fricking sucks.

Hope not that many more people die.

[Irona]

Your right it is a hugely complex situation but religion was still at the heart of the conflict. Anybody who claims The Troubles were a solely religious conflict is obviously wrong, but you still have to recognise the part it played.

It wasn't religious at all. Just because it appears to be religious, due to the affiliations of both sides, does not mean it is.

Where exactly, did the IRA claim they were fighting for religion? Where, did they justify their actions with religion? ... Nowhere! They were fighting for a united Ireland (you can tell by their name), they couldn't care less about the religious affiliations of people in Ireland. Several prominent nationalist leaders were Protestant, they bore no ill will towards the Protestants, only against the unionists.

I'm sorry but your quite simply wrong, you cannot cut out the sectarian aspect of the Troubles. Seamus Heaney often described the affiliations during The Troubles as almost tribal. Northern Irish society was and still is divided along religious lines and for very clear reasons if you look at history, the politics and religion were and still are intertwined in northern Ireland. There is absolutely no escaping that.

[Camicon]

Let's not pretend otherwise. Firearms were designed to kill things, and as the technology developed and you were actually able to hit what you were aiming at, people decided to do things like target shooing with them.

Indeed.
And? This doesn't make all firearms still conform to that 'designed to kill things' anymore than it makes all rockets conform to the same standard.

Technology can change the uses of things and expand their purpose. Not much news there, it's something that's been happening for pretty much all of human history.

The only place 'firearms were designed to kill things' (and nothing else!) claims are appropriate is in discussions of the historical development of firearms in China back in whenever-the-hell. It bears zero relevance to the modern items descended from those 'first' firearms.

Firearms propel chunks of lead at blindingly fast speeds, for the sole intent of punching holes in things. The only kind of firearm you could might be able to contend is not designed to punch holes in living creatures would be those designed specifically for target-shooting, and how often do you think those are used in firearm crime?

Given that early firearms had to be shot en masse in the general direction of your target to have any hope of hitting it at range, I think we can safely say that firearms were designed with large military engagements, and personal defence at very close range, in mind. Unless you can think of some other reason firearms were developed?

[Ganos Lao]

Apparently, NYT is reporting a gunfight, 'suspect down', and request for a bearcat (armored vehicle) by the local PD.

The bearcats have just made the scene. News conference is going on; wounded increased to 17. Fatalies remain at 14.

[Glorious KASSRD]

Horrible, but expected. If we continue to keep things the same, the same results will happen.
My thoughts and prayers go to those affected.

The equipment these guys had isn't something gun laws would have stopped, from the sounds of things these people would have gotten it regardless.

Any word on motive yet?

What did they have, then?

[Camicon]

^ This

Yes, I like guns myself. But I just don't delude myself that guns are not weapons designed to kill. That's exactly what the fuck they were designed to do. That it has multiple purposes, like you would give a hammer multiple purposes? Nobody is denying that, I'm not. But just because you give something a personal purpose that doesn't mean the thing was invented with that particular purpose in mind.

Huh.
I hope we can emphasize rockets being invented with killing people in mind to direct some of that sweet funding that'd otherwise go to the military into NASA. Sure, we can wave off the 'multiple purposes' NASA puts their rockets to, surely if we advertise the totally-sensible standard of all rockets being invented for killing people we can finally get a dedicated launch platform made.
...Of course, we'd be lying but hey, for space, I'm down I suppose...

In any case, too little information to say very much at this point. Rather plausible the 'body armor' might have been load-carrying vests (I believe the same misperception occurred after the Holmes shooting).
Apparently, NYT is reporting a gunfight, 'suspect down', and request for a bearcat (armored vehicle) by the local PD.

To my knowledge, NASA never developed rockets for the purpose of exploding them on a target; but please, tell me more about these firearms that aren't designed to punch hole in things with lethally fast chunks of lead.

[Fartsniffage]

Huh.
I hope we can emphasize rockets being invented with killing people in mind to direct some of that sweet funding that'd otherwise go to the military into NASA. Sure, we can wave off the 'multiple purposes' NASA puts their rockets to, surely if we advertise the totally-sensible standard of all rockets being invented for killing people we can finally get a dedicated launch platform made.
...Of course, we'd be lying but hey, for space, I'm down I suppose...

In any case, too little information to say very much at this point. Rather plausible the 'body armor' might have been load-carrying vests (I believe the same misperception occurred after the Holmes shooting).
Apparently, NYT is reporting a gunfight, 'suspect down', and request for a bearcat (armored vehicle) by the local PD.

To my knowledge, NASA never developed rockets for the purpose of exploding them on a target; but please, tell me more about these firearms that aren't designed to punch hole in things with lethally fast chunks of lead.

NASAs first serious rockets were ICBMs......

[Alyakia]

Huh.
I hope we can emphasize rockets being invented with killing people in mind to direct some of that sweet funding that'd otherwise go to the military into NASA. Sure, we can wave off the 'multiple purposes' NASA puts their rockets to, surely if we advertise the totally-sensible standard of all rockets being invented for killing people we can finally get a dedicated launch platform made.
...Of course, we'd be lying but hey, for space, I'm down I suppose...

In any case, too little information to say very much at this point. Rather plausible the 'body armor' might have been load-carrying vests (I believe the same misperception occurred after the Holmes shooting).
Apparently, NYT is reporting a gunfight, 'suspect down', and request for a bearcat (armored vehicle) by the local PD.

To my knowledge, NASA never developed rockets for the purpose of exploding them on a target; but please, tell me more about these firearms that aren't designed to punch hole in things with lethally fast chunks of lead.

half the space program was ICBM development.