Mass Shooting in California, 20 victims

[Ardoki]

I didn't know you believe Islamic State was representative of Islam. Sorry for my error.

I just made a broad statement about why I believed the Islamic State may have justified this attack, based on how some might interpret the Abrahamic texts.

Whether you like it or not, ISIS/ISIL is representative of Islam in the same way that the IRA, or LRA, is representative of Catholicism and Christian Orthodoxy.

It represents the misinformed, misguided, and extreme segments.

The Irish Republican Army had nothing to do with Catholicism. Never did it claim to be acting due to or in favour of Catholicism (or any other type of Christianity). It's motivations and actions were entirely political, it wanted to achieve a united Ireland. Please stop making up lies.

I guess you are right about the Islamic State though.

[Uxupox]

They attacked Paris, and threatened to attack the US. It is a possibility the Islamic State was responsible.

The police reportedly saw a man with Forest Camo, so I bet this isn't ISIL

Why not? Is Daesh incapable or incompetent enough of using military attire now?

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Still, one would think that it would hardly be a top choice.

They attacked Paris, and threatened to attack the US. It is a possibility the Islamic State was responsible.

It's enormously unlikely. Enormously. Daesh has targeted buildings with higher public profiles, as in Paris.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Actually, I own guns and I have a shotgun and a revolver at my disposal.

I know what I bought them for, to kill people who are trespassing my property or are going to injure me.

I wasn't aware we were talking about you in particular, as the statements made were general statements applied to a broad category of inanimate objects as opposed to yourself.

Yes, but if you notice nowhere in history do you use a gun to actually go around saying "oh well I might just show it to people just for the sheer hell of it". Again, you don't buy a gun with live ammo for funsies. You buy it with a very specific purpose. I bought mine with a very specific purpose. If I wanted to shoot milk bottles or have collection pieces I can purchase non-functional replicas and BB Guns if it were just for funsies.

[Alyakia]

they're now chasing a black SUV which is good. caveat being i'm not sure if that's a SUV or the SUV.

[Camicon]

Actually, I own guns and I have a shotgun and a revolver at my disposal.

I know what I bought them for, to kill people who are trespassing my property or are going to injure me.

I wasn't aware we were talking about you in particular, as the statements made were general statements applied to a broad category of inanimate objects as opposed to yourself.

Let's not pretend otherwise. Firearms were designed to kill things, and as the technology developed and you were actually able to hit what you were aiming at, people decided to do things like target shooing with them.

[Fartsniffage]

Not necessarily, but I understand what I got them for. And they're not show pieces or a hobby item. I can buy replicas and BB Guns for that.

I have some friends that have them for both recreational use and to defend themselves with.

Do you have any friends that have them only for recreational use and would never use them for self defense?

[The Emerald Dawn]

Whether you like it or not, ISIS/ISIL is representative of Islam in the same way that the IRA, or LRA, is representative of Catholicism and Christian Orthodoxy.

It represents the misinformed, misguided, and extreme segments.

The Irish Republican Army had nothing to do with Catholicism. Never did it claim to be acting due to or in favour of Catholicism (or any other type of Christianity). It's motivations and actions were entirely political, it wanted to achieve a united Ireland. Please stop making up lies.

I guess you are right about the Islamic State though.

No, the IRA just happened to target solely Protestant areas because orange is easier to see.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

The police reportedly saw a man with Forest Camo, so I bet this isn't ISIL

Why not? Is Daesh incapable or incompetent enough of using military attire now?

It's not standard operating procedure for them.

[The Tabula Rasa Islands]

The police reportedly saw a man with Forest Camo, so I bet this isn't ISIL

Why not? Is Daesh incapable or incompetent enough of using military attire now?

No, but why would they be wearing green and brown military attire?

[Uxupox]

Whether you like it or not, ISIS/ISIL is representative of Islam in the same way that the IRA, or LRA, is representative of Catholicism and Christian Orthodoxy.

It represents the misinformed, misguided, and extreme segments.

The Irish Republican Army had nothing to do with Catholicism. Never did it claim to be acting due to or in favour of Catholicism (or any other type of Christianity). It's motivations and actions were entirely political, it wanted to achieve a united Ireland. Please stop making up lies.

I guess you are right about the Islamic State though.

Never knew the IRA was espousing both a theocracy and an united Ireland at the same time. But hey since this is the internet it must be true.

[Platypus Reborn]

It shouldn't be a compromise.

This ^

It shouldn't be a compromise.

Agreed the Constitution made it perfectly clear.

Actually, I am for stricter gun laws, lol. Sorry to get your hopes up. I love going over to my Grandfather's and shooting rifles and sidearms with him at the gun range, but that's where it should stay. (Minus home defense, I'm all for lighting up burglars).

[Fartsniffage]

They attacked Paris, and threatened to attack the US. It is a possibility the Islamic State was responsible.

It's enormously unlikely. Enormously. Daesh has targeted buildings with higher public profiles, as in Paris.

There's the reported IED though. Seems kinda reminiscent.

I really don't know. Kinda hoping it isn't because an attack on US soil would lead to really bad things in the middle east.

[Occupied Deutschland]

They attacked Paris, and threatened to attack the US. It is a possibility the Islamic State was responsible.

The police reportedly saw a man with Forest Camo, so I bet this isn't ISIL

That's really poor reasoning that isn't really based on anything.
Particularly considering the availability of forest camoflouge items in the US and Daesh's use of the uniform in other cases (granted, this is apparently a school they run in Syria, but I believe it demonstrates the point well enough).

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Not necessarily, but I understand what I got them for. And they're not show pieces or a hobby item. I can buy replicas and BB Guns for that.

I have some friends that have them for both recreational use and to defend themselves with.

And notice that I also said that there is a disconnect between people think a gun does and what a gun actually does.

I am not denying that they can't be used for recreational use, but a gun, quite honestly, are tools designed to kill people. Using it for recreational purpose is one of the purposes we give that were not originally designed for, and that's fine. But I can also use a hammer to break glass when I know it is designed to hammer down nails.

[Ugatoo]

Whether you like it or not, ISIS/ISIL is representative of Islam in the same way that the IRA, or LRA, is representative of Catholicism and Christian Orthodoxy.

It represents the misinformed, misguided, and extreme segments.

The Irish Republican Army had nothing to do with Catholicism. Never did it claim to be acting due to or in favour of Catholicism (or any other type of Christianity). It's motivations and actions were entirely political, it wanted to achieve a united Ireland. Please stop making up lies.

I guess you are right about the Islamic State though.

Yeah Catholic Irish bombing the Protestant English


Nothing to do with religion.

[Fartsniffage]

The police reportedly saw a man with Forest Camo, so I bet this isn't ISIL

That's really poor reasoning that isn't really based on anything.
Particularly considering the availability of forest camoflouge items in the US and Daesh's use of the uniform in other cases (granted, this is apparently a school they run in Syria, but I believe it demonstrates the point well enough).

But they don't seem to have used it in attacks outside of the middle east. Still, we're all grasping at straws here since there's bugger all info other than the police description of hispanic or middle eastern looking.

[Bogdanov Vishniac]

I wasn't aware we were talking about you in particular, as the statements made were general statements applied to a broad category of inanimate objects as opposed to yourself.

Let's not pretend otherwise. Firearms were designed to kill things, and as the technology developed and you were actually able to hit what you were aiming at, people decided to do things like target shooing with them.

It's really not surprising that most of the sports and recreational activities associated with guns started out as training exercises for the people who were going out to kill things so they could kill things more effectively.

[Internationalist Bastard]

Nothing I love more then waking up to news of mass murder. Any suspects?

[Fartsniffage]

The Irish Republican Army had nothing to do with Catholicism. Never did it claim to be acting due to or in favour of Catholicism (or any other type of Christianity). It's motivations and actions were entirely political, it wanted to achieve a united Ireland. Please stop making up lies.

I guess you are right about the Islamic State though.

Yeah Catholic Irish bombing the Protestant English


Nothing to do with religion.

It's was far more complex than that. Religion really didn't have all that much to do with the Troubles, it was more about politics.

[Uxupox]

I have some friends that have them for both recreational use and to defend themselves with.

Do you have any friends that have them only for recreational use and would never use them for self defense?

Well in my country (Puerto Rico) gun laws are very strict. Though yes I have a friend regularly goes to the range and uses the weapon that the range owns for recreational use (As in have fun). The weapon he uses on the range is the gun that he technically loans to the range is the AR-15 that given to him by his late grandfather.

[Noraika]

Gods of my ancestors...and with thoughts of Paris, and the Planned Parenthood incident, still in my mind. As a native Californian, it saddens me greatly that such an event of violence is happening in my motherland.

My only hope is that this isn't some people affiliated with a larger organisation. California has enough issues with widespread poverty and inequality, violence, and organised crime, we don't need domestic or foreign terrorism to be added to that list. Either way, I can only express my sorrows for the victims and the injured, as well as their families, and hope for the swift capture of those responsible.

[Occupied Deutschland]

I wasn't aware we were talking about you in particular, as the statements made were general statements applied to a broad category of inanimate objects as opposed to yourself.

Let's not pretend otherwise. Firearms were designed to kill things, and as the technology developed and you were actually able to hit what you were aiming at, people decided to do things like target shooing with them.

Indeed.
And? This doesn't make all firearms still conform to that 'designed to kill things' anymore than it makes all rockets conform to the same standard.

Technology can change the uses of things and expand their purpose. Not much news there, it's something that's been happening for pretty much all of human history.

The only place 'firearms were designed to kill things' (and nothing else!) claims are appropriate is in discussions of the historical development of firearms in China back in whenever-the-hell. It bears zero relevance to the modern items descended from those 'first' firearms.

[Ardoki]

The Irish Republican Army had nothing to do with Catholicism. Never did it claim to be acting due to or in favour of Catholicism (or any other type of Christianity). It's motivations and actions were entirely political, it wanted to achieve a united Ireland. Please stop making up lies.

I guess you are right about the Islamic State though.

No, the IRA just happened to target solely Protestant areas because orange is easier to see.

In the north of Ireland, it was a conflict between nationalists and unionists. Most Catholics were nationalist, and most Protestants were unionists; however there were exceptions. Some of the most famous nationalist leaders were in fact Protestant. To someone who does not understand or bother to look into the situation more than a cursory glance, it appears to be a religious conflict; however that is a very incorrect assumption. If you look at the ideologies, rhetoric, actions and motivations of both sides (the nationalists and the unionists); it is plainly obvious that the conflict was over the struggle for a united Ireland.

Yes, religious differences did serve as a general outline of the different sides, however this was not a hard and fast rule and both sides were certainly not fighting for anything related to religion (if you look at their stated motivations and their actions) nor did they ever justify or proclaim anything with religion.

[Talvezout]

Nothing I love more then waking up to news of mass murder. Any suspects?

One of the suspects apparently is in custody, and there's a chase on a black SUV that may or may not be the one from the shooting.