Mass Shooting in California, 20 victims

[Prussia-Steinbach]

I sarcastically hyperbolized his stereotypical complaint about "Obama and his cronies."

yah

That's literally exactly what I did. Your lack of comprehension regarding linguistic devices has nothing to do with it.

[Big Jim P]

Everything you need to know to build a nuke is on wiki.

Good luck getting the supplies for that shit, it's not like the hardware store sells weapons grade plutonium

I didn't mention the supplies, just the knowledge.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

as for your liberal comment

good

I don't think you would consider my views "good." Unless you think violent rebellion against capital and the State, in addition to other, more mod-actionable goals, is a good thing.

[Titel der Stadt]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34987697

Police are attending a shooting in California, with reports of 20 victims.

The San Bernardino Fire Department tweeted that it was responding to a "20 victim shooting incident" and it was working to clear the scene.
It is still a "very active scene" and police are trying to secure the building, said a spokeswoman from the San Bernardino Police Department.
There may be up to three gunmen she said, and the shooters were heavily armed and possibly wearing body armour.
She did not confirm the number of victims.

A local reporter tweeted that people are being evacuated from the Inland Regional Center, a non-profit medical and health organisation.
People are being seen wheeled away on stretchers with medics and police officers in attendance.
Representatives from the FBI and the Federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms are on the scene.
No arrests have been made yet.
An ABC affiliate tweeted that there are 12 fatalities, but police have not confirmed that number.

Another mass shooting in the US, breaking news so details are a bit sketchy. I'll update the OP as more becomes available.
3 shooters wearing body armour really seems to point at some kind of terrorism type event in my mind but this is all super early stuff.

What the hell is going on over there?

My dad grew up there and my grandma lives there. They are fine, but Titel der Stadt will be flying flags at half-staff tomorrow in memory of those lost in San Bernardino and Paris, and asks others to do the same.

[North Calaveras]

as for your liberal comment

good

I don't think you would consider my views "good." Unless you think violent rebellion against capital and the State, in addition to other, more mod-actionable goals, is a good thing.

entirley depends on the context my good sir, after all, I would not be a proud American if it were not for violent rebellion.

[Big Jim P]

Everything you need to know to build a nuke is on wiki.

The tricky part is getting the enriched uranium, not building the nuke around it. Centrifuges for separating uranium isotopes are the hard part.

Actually crime is dropping.

As I understand it, the number of crimes has been decreasing since the 1980s (something I've seen attributed to the influence of video games, actually!) but the number of people killed in individual crimes is up. So the US doesn't have so much of a gun homicide problem so much as it has a spree killing problem.

Or a media over-sensationalizing those that do happen.

[Natapoc]

Does this qualify?

"Farook attended last year's holiday party too, an ex-colleague recalls
Griselda Reisinger, a former co-worker of Syed Farook, said Farook worked as a food inspector and flew under the radar at San Bernardino County's relatively small public health department.

“He was very quiet,” said Reisinger, who worked for 11 years as an environmental inspector. “I would say hi and bye, but we never engaged him in conversation. He didn’t say much at all.”

Reisinger said she remembered Farook attending last year's holiday party, held in the same conference room.

She heard from colleagues that the department held a baby shower for Farook and that he recently returned from paternity leave.

Reisinger left the job in May. She said the department was in turmoil, with many workers leaving over the last year because of problems with management.
"

Ye gods ... that's damnably depressing. And a new parent and all to boot? I hope to god that wasn't his wife with him. Damned odd, as others have pointed out, if it's a disgruntled employee. But what you posted about a lot quitting over problems with management? Ugh. I still will never understand taking out one's frustrations to this degree, though. I really can't fathom it. I doubt many of us ever will, tbh. I do admit an odd curiosity about what makes such minds tick, what makes the difference in someone who may by all accounts be fairly decent overall, even with some oddities, deciding that the death of others is the pricetag for them feeling better about something, or resolving something, or answering for something. What a clusterfuck.

Yeah. It really does not make any sense. Where is the baby? Or perhaps that is what this is about?

[Dread Lady Nathicana]

Good luck getting the supplies for that shit, it's not like the hardware store sells weapons grade plutonium

I didn't mention the supplies, just the knowledge.

Ah yes - you don't lead anyone down the merry path to hell, you merely open the gate. I know you, boy. I get your game. (And no. I don't threaten. I act. Muahahaha. -- in all seriousness, hope things are going well for you and yours. Best of luck with the move and all.)

The violence began around 11 a.m. at the convention building at the Inland Regional Center where employees with the county health department were attending a holiday event. Witnesses said at least two shooters opened fire, killing 14 people.

Another 17 people were hurt -- many wounded by bullets from automatic-style rifles, some injured in the panic to escape.

The shooters fled in a black SUV, prompting a huge police response in the area.

As the hours passed, the hunt for the suspects continued with a tip taking officers to a home about 10 miles away in Redlands. A vehicle similar in description to the suspect SUV pulled out and a chase began.

The SUV raced back to San Bernardino, with bullets and a device designed to look like a bomb flying from the truck, Meredith Davis with the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms and Explosives told CNN affiliate KCAL/KCBS.

Suddenly, it stopped on a neighborhood street. Residents were stunned to hear the eruption of continuous gunfire. A man and a woman in the SUV were killed in the barrage of bullets that riddled the windshield.

A third person who was caught running near the scene was detained, but police aren't sure whether he was connected to either shooting.

I'm still not seeing any more info on the others, whether or not the person detained was involved, any of that. Anyone else have anything new they've seen?

Natapoc: gods I hope not. I really hope not. Not seeing a connection or a real 'why' in this yet, not seeing any commentary past 'was an employee' there.

[New confederate ramenia]

are we talking proper proper bomb or "thing that explodes kinda maybe when you want it if it feels like it"

Well, high explosives are hard.

Proper explosives, capable of killing people within a dozen meters or so? Not hard.

What do you mean by high explosives?

[Natapoc]

I didn't mention the supplies, just the knowledge.

Ah yes - you don't lead anyone down the merry path to hell, you merely open the gate. I know you, boy. I get your game. (And no. I don't threaten. I act. Muahahaha. -- in all seriousness, hope things are going well for you and yours. Best of luck with the move and all.)

The violence began around 11 a.m. at the convention building at the Inland Regional Center where employees with the county health department were attending a holiday event. Witnesses said at least two shooters opened fire, killing 14 people.

Another 17 people were hurt -- many wounded by bullets from automatic-style rifles, some injured in the panic to escape.

The shooters fled in a black SUV, prompting a huge police response in the area.

As the hours passed, the hunt for the suspects continued with a tip taking officers to a home about 10 miles away in Redlands. A vehicle similar in description to the suspect SUV pulled out and a chase began.

The SUV raced back to San Bernardino, with bullets and a device designed to look like a bomb flying from the truck, Meredith Davis with the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms and Explosives told CNN affiliate KCAL/KCBS.

Suddenly, it stopped on a neighborhood street. Residents were stunned to hear the eruption of continuous gunfire. A man and a woman in the SUV were killed in the barrage of bullets that riddled the windshield.

A third person who was caught running near the scene was detained, but police aren't sure whether he was connected to either shooting.

I'm still not seeing any more info on the others, whether or not the person detained was involved, any of that. Anyone else have anything new they've seen?

This site seems to have the most information: http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-m ... story.html

[Mushet]

Well, high explosives are hard.

Proper explosives, capable of killing people within a dozen meters or so? Not hard.

What do you mean by high explosives?

Higher the cloud from the blast, higher explosive?

[Natapoc]

I'm reading that the picture that the daily beast put out may be the wrong Syed Farook. Apparently there are two people in the area by that name and not all the info matches.

Some media outlets seem to be getting the two individuals confused and are reporting carelessly.

[North Arkana]

Well, high explosives are hard.

Proper explosives, capable of killing people within a dozen meters or so? Not hard.

What do you mean by high explosives?

Explosives with a higher detonation velocity than common industrial explosives used for things such as mining. Commonly found in military grade arms and in limited use for demolishing buildings by qualified contractors.

[Natapoc]

A list of 3 names is going around now but I'm not going to repost them because I have doubts about the accuracy of the information. It seems to have been gleaned from the social media profiles of someone with the same name but who may be a different person.

[Tsaraine]

Where's the "twenty victims" statistic coming from? All the info I've seen has fourteen dead, seventeen injured.

[Natapoc]

Where's the "twenty victims" statistic coming from? All the info I've seen has fourteen dead, seventeen injured.

Likely from before reliable information was available. The media was initially reporting a range of numbers.

[The Lone Alliance]

Where's the "twenty victims" statistic coming from? All the info I've seen has fourteen dead, seventeen injured.

I think because early on there wasn't a total number on dead injured and 20 dead or injured was the earliest ball park range.

Also apparently the second person is from Qatar?

[Natapoc]

LA times is reporting:

"A brother-in-law of one of the suspected shooters spoke to reporters Wednesday evening, saying he was in "shock" over what had happened.

"The reason I am here is to express [for] my family … how sad they are for what happened," said Farhan Khan, who said he was the husband of one of the male suspect's sister. "I'm very sad people lost their lives and there are victims out there.

Khan said he last spoke to his brother-in-law about a week ago.

Asked whether his brother-in-law was religious, Khan declined to comment.

"I have no idea why would he do that. Why would he do something like this. I have absolutely no idea," Khan said. "I’m in shock myself."

Khan stood alongside leaders of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, who condemned the violence."

[Talvezout]

LA times is reporting:

"A brother-in-law of one of the suspected shooters spoke to reporters Wednesday evening, saying he was in "shock" over what had happened.

"The reason I am here is to express [for] my family … how sad they are for what happened," said Farhan Khan, who said he was the husband of one of the male suspect's sister. "I'm very sad people lost their lives and there are victims out there.

Khan said he last spoke to his brother-in-law about a week ago.

Asked whether his brother-in-law was religious, Khan declined to comment.

"I have no idea why would he do that. Why would he do something like this. I have absolutely no idea," Khan said. "I’m in shock myself."

Khan stood alongside leaders of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, who condemned the violence."

I saw the press interview with the brother-in-law.

Poor guy looked pretty disturbed over it :/

[Natapoc]

LA times is reporting:

"A brother-in-law of one of the suspected shooters spoke to reporters Wednesday evening, saying he was in "shock" over what had happened.

"The reason I am here is to express [for] my family … how sad they are for what happened," said Farhan Khan, who said he was the husband of one of the male suspect's sister. "I'm very sad people lost their lives and there are victims out there.

Khan said he last spoke to his brother-in-law about a week ago.

Asked whether his brother-in-law was religious, Khan declined to comment.

"I have no idea why would he do that. Why would he do something like this. I have absolutely no idea," Khan said. "I’m in shock myself."

Khan stood alongside leaders of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, who condemned the violence."

I saw the press interview with the brother-in-law.

Poor guy looked pretty disturbed over it :/

It must be traumatizing to be related to someone who did something like this. I suspect most want to be allowed to grieve in peace, but in absence of official information the media will interrogate everyone to find something to report on.

[Ganos Lao]

LA times is reporting:

"A brother-in-law of one of the suspected shooters spoke to reporters Wednesday evening, saying he was in "shock" over what had happened.

"The reason I am here is to express [for] my family … how sad they are for what happened," said Farhan Khan, who said he was the husband of one of the male suspect's sister. "I'm very sad people lost their lives and there are victims out there.

Khan said he last spoke to his brother-in-law about a week ago.

Asked whether his brother-in-law was religious, Khan declined to comment.

"I have no idea why would he do that. Why would he do something like this. I have absolutely no idea," Khan said. "I’m in shock myself."

Khan stood alongside leaders of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, who condemned the violence."

I can see where this is going to lead.

[Talvezout]

I saw the press interview with the brother-in-law.

Poor guy looked pretty disturbed over it :/

It must be traumatizing to be related to someone who did something like this. I suspect most want to be allowed to grieve in peace, but in absence of official information the media will interrogate everyone to find something to report on.

I'm honestly kinda of afraid that the media for this is going to end badly.

On the sidenote, I'm not surprised that the Reddit thread for the event has devolved pretty badly.

[Ereria]

What's funny is, if it's muslims, everyone will hate on muslims the next several days. If it's as usual those christian nutjobs or the lonely school kids that shoot up schools, no one will care...

However, RIP whoever died in that shooting.

[The Alma Mater]

What's funny is, if it's muslims, everyone will hate on muslims the next several days. If it's as usual those christian nutjobs or the lonely school kids that shoot up schools, no one will care...

No, people will care - but the GOP will refuse to call it terrorism and instead start mumbling about mental health. Just like they did with planned parenthood.

[Talvezout]

Going off the CNN news, one of the suspects was a county health inspector.