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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Dec 02, 2015 5:11 pm

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Liberty and Linguistics wrote:
That's not at all what anyone here was suggesting.

What I'm hearing from you is "no, no, don't you dare consider the possibilities that it was a terrorist because of the suspect's name, that's raaacist!"

Yeah. It is racist. Suspecting someone of a heinous crime like this because of their name is racist. And your claim that having an Arabic name increases the likelihood of being a terrorist breaks the rules of probability.
If I changed my name to something Arabic, does that suddenly increase my chances of being a terrorist? No.


To suspect someone because of their name is racist
When the assailant is identified as a particular race, it's fair to suspect their motives.
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Postby Kelinfort » Wed Dec 02, 2015 5:12 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Kelinfort wrote:Eh, it's about 60+ miles away. If it were a terror attack, Pershing Square in LA makes a whole lot more sense.

A terrorist attack on a disabled center doesn't make a lot of sense, unless to show no one is safe.

This will take some time to figure out, i am afraid.

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Postby Uxupox » Wed Dec 02, 2015 5:12 pm

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Liberty and Linguistics wrote:The men killed 14 people, I don't see why anyone can express anything other than relief and or happiness at their death.

These suspects are not confirmed to be directly connected to the shooting at the IRC.
The number of people involved are not known.

To me, this reeks of the cartels, but political radicalism is another one I think.


Highly doubtful that cartel will go inside a governmental facility used for treatment of disabilities and start shooting up the place.
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Ethel mermania wrote:A terrorist attack on a disabled center doesn't make a lot of sense, unless to show no one is safe.

This will take some time to figure out, i am afraid.

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Postby Fartsniffage » Wed Dec 02, 2015 5:13 pm

Wallenburg wrote:You were?.


No. But I saw the reports that there was a firefight. I just assumed you had first hand information to disprove them?

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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Dec 02, 2015 5:14 pm

Kelinfort wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:A terrorist attack on a disabled center doesn't make a lot of sense, unless to show no one is safe.

This will take some time to figure out, i am afraid.

"No one is safe, not even your most vulnerable and insecure!"

It's weird to me. We will find out why in due couse.
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Postby Nilla Wayfarers » Wed Dec 02, 2015 5:14 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Nilla Wayfarers wrote:Yeah. It is racist. Suspecting someone of a heinous crime like this because of their name is racist. And your claim that having an Arabic name increases the likelihood of being a terrorist breaks the rules of probability.
If I changed my name to something Arabic, does that suddenly increase my chances of being a terrorist? No.


To suspect someone because of their name is racist
When the assailant is identified as a particular race, it's fair to suspect their motives.

Yes. If Lib & Lin had said that, I would agree.
But acting like it's okay to suspect someone of terrorism simply because of their name is frankly wrong.
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Postby Wallenburg » Wed Dec 02, 2015 5:15 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:You were?.

No. But I saw the reports that there was a firefight. I just assumed you had first hand information to disprove them?

I didn't see them. That's why I assumed the suspects didn't fire on the police. It's basic logic not to invent facts to support a conclusion.
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Postby Gauthier » Wed Dec 02, 2015 5:15 pm

Nilla Wayfarers wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:
To suspect someone because of their name is racist
When the assailant is identified as a particular race, it's fair to suspect their motives.

Yes. If Lib & Lin had said that, I would agree.
But acting like it's okay to suspect someone of terrorism simply because of their name is frankly wrong.


Whereas if it had been a whitebread name the first assumption would have been Mental Illness.
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Postby Ganos Lao » Wed Dec 02, 2015 5:16 pm

The San Diego Tribune a while ago reported:

Riverside police dispatchers have broadcast a general advisory that the suspects involved in the shootings in San Bernardino may have fled in a black GMC Yukon, heading northbound on Waterman Avenue, roughly 40 minutes ago.

The broadcast indicated there were unconfirmed reports the suspects were male and of Middle Eastern origin, “armed with AK-47s and wearing body armor.”
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Postby The Isolationist State Of Islam » Wed Dec 02, 2015 5:16 pm

Maybe if the U.S enforced more, and effective background checks, less mass shootings would happen
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Postby Noraika » Wed Dec 02, 2015 5:16 pm

Uxupox wrote:
Noraika wrote:These suspects are not confirmed to be directly connected to the shooting at the IRC.
The number of people involved are not known.

To me, this reeks of the cartels, but political radicalism is another one I think.


Highly doubtful that cartel will go inside a governmental facility used for treatment of disabilities and start shooting up the place.

Cartels have a knack for ruthless and purposeless murder of innocents en masse. They don't even need a reason other than to spread fear to get people to do what they want, and mass killings certainly send a message that when they threaten to kill you they will act on it.

Perhaps the government offical in charge didn't give into demands or attempts at corruption or bribery, or perhaps the local government caught some of their members? Perhaps its not even cartels! I don't know, but for me, a cartel would have the resources to get access to the car and military equipment.
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Postby Camicon » Wed Dec 02, 2015 5:16 pm

Gauthier wrote:
Nilla Wayfarers wrote:Yes. If Lib & Lin had said that, I would agree.
But acting like it's okay to suspect someone of terrorism simply because of their name is frankly wrong.


Whereas if it had been a whitebread name the first assumption would have been Mental Illness.

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Postby The Corparation » Wed Dec 02, 2015 5:16 pm

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The Corparation wrote:A police officer has been hospitalized with a bullet wound. Images shown earlier a gun was visible next to the body of one of the dead suspects. I think its a reasonable assumption that the suspects opened fire.

I didn't know that. Thank you. The death of the suspects is now far more understandable.

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Postby Ardoki » Wed Dec 02, 2015 5:17 pm

Noraika wrote:
Liberty and Linguistics wrote:The men killed 14 people, I don't see why anyone can express anything other than relief and or happiness at their death.

These suspects are not confirmed to be directly connected to the shooting at the IRC.
The number of people involved are not known, and motives are unknown.

To me, this reeks of the cartels, but political radicalism is another one I'm leaning towards.

Why would a cartel commit such an atrocity? It would bring down the entire US police and justice system on them, it would ensure their cartel is destroyed.
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Postby Wallenburg » Wed Dec 02, 2015 5:17 pm

The Isolationist State Of Islam wrote:Maybe if the U.S enforced more, and effective background checks, less mass shootings would happen

We don't know if this is foreign or domestic terrorism yet.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Dec 02, 2015 5:17 pm

Nilla Wayfarers wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:
To suspect someone because of their name is racist
When the assailant is identified as a particular race, it's fair to suspect their motives.

Yes. If Lib & Lin had said that, I would agree.
But acting like it's okay to suspect someone of terrorism simply because of their name is frankly wrong.

The context though was the name of the suspect was released. Though tbh, At this early stage, I wouldn't completely trust that information.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Dec 02, 2015 5:17 pm

The Isolationist State Of Islam wrote:Maybe if the U.S enforced more, and effective background checks, less mass shootings would happen


From all reports these aren't the kind of people who would be stopped by background checks.
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Wed Dec 02, 2015 5:17 pm

Mass shootings no longer even provoke a reaction from me.

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Postby Hillary Clinton 2016-2024 » Wed Dec 02, 2015 5:17 pm

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NBC is reporting 22 victims being triaged and stretchered out.

WCVB reported twelve at the time,but now it is known that sadly 14 lost their lives.
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Postby Uxupox » Wed Dec 02, 2015 5:18 pm

Noraika wrote:
Uxupox wrote:
Highly doubtful that cartel will go inside a governmental facility used for treatment of disabilities and start shooting up the place.

Cartels have a knack for ruthless and purposeless murder of innocents en masse. They don't even need a reason other than to spread fear to get people to do what they want, and mass killings certainly send a message that when they threaten to kill you they will act on it.

Perhaps the government offical in charge didn't give into demands or attempts at corrupt? Perhaps its not even cartels! I don't know, but for me, a cartel would have the resources to get access to the car and military equipment.


Doing it in US soil is not the same as doing it in Mexican soil.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Dec 02, 2015 5:18 pm

Gauthier wrote:
Nilla Wayfarers wrote:Yes. If Lib & Lin had said that, I would agree.
But acting like it's okay to suspect someone of terrorism simply because of their name is frankly wrong.


Whereas if it had been a whitebread name the first assumption would have been Mental Illness.

Three guys in body armour? No.
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Postby Nilla Wayfarers » Wed Dec 02, 2015 5:18 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Nilla Wayfarers wrote:Yes. If Lib & Lin had said that, I would agree.
But acting like it's okay to suspect someone of terrorism simply because of their name is frankly wrong.

The context though was the name of the suspect was released. Though tbh, At this early stage, I wouldn't completely trust that information.

Neither would I. It's too chaotic right now.
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Postby Crysuko » Wed Dec 02, 2015 5:19 pm

Uxupox wrote:
Noraika wrote:Cartels have a knack for ruthless and purposeless murder of innocents en masse. They don't even need a reason other than to spread fear to get people to do what they want, and mass killings certainly send a message that when they threaten to kill you they will act on it.

Perhaps the government offical in charge didn't give into demands or attempts at corrupt? Perhaps its not even cartels! I don't know, but for me, a cartel would have the resources to get access to the car and military equipment.


Doing it in US soil is not the same as doing it in Mexican soil.

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Ethel mermania wrote:A terrorist attack on a disabled center doesn't make a lot of sense, unless to show no one is safe.

This will take some time to figure out, i am afraid.

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Postby Hillary Clinton 2016-2024 » Wed Dec 02, 2015 5:19 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:Mass shootings no longer even provoke a reaction from me.

What a wonderful world.
the lack of gun control makes these shootings so commom,Conservatives want this to be a fact of life,for some reason.
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