Santa Should be Banned

[Calimama]

Okay, how about a vote? All in favor of not banning Santa Claus say I.

It's supposed to be 'aye' not 'I'.

*facepalms* Yeah...I fixed it.

[Immoren]

I don't know. I just work here.

There is never just one Krampus. Krampus, like sheep, is singular and plural at the same time.

Another pond, another drowner.

[Hurdegaryp]

So.. how is that racist, taking into account that the Netherlands does not have a blackface tradition ?
Are watermelons and chickens also racist symbols in every country on the planet, just because Americans see them that way ?

Well, first of all, I never stated that I agree with the idea of banning Zwarte Piet, as the Dutch indeed don't have a blackface tradition and the character isn't in any way associated with blackface by the Dutch themselves. One might argue that in the (distant) past, the character was indeed portrayed in a fashion we might deem racist today, however, over time it appears that it has evolved away from any racist tendencies. Still, some people deem its appearance to hearken back to colonialism, even though it's a stupid thought, as the inhabitants of the former colonies celebrate it as well and not only do they dress themselves up but they also use make up in order to make themselves even blacker than they already are. And for the record: I love to eat watermelon during the summer and I like my occasional fried chicken. Does that make me a racist too? Ban KFC! They spread racist symbols! Ban the colonel! He was an old redneck! Desecrate his tomb!

The 19th century attempt to make Zwarte Piet (who is pretty much the same entity as Krampus in many respects) more family friendly has now become a merry subject of American documentaries, because America is the world and it is healthy to be angry about something that is not yet another mass shooting brought forth by the domestic terrorism that appears to become a stubborn American tradition.

[Vashtanaraada]

Should be stopped but a full ban's as stupid as the notion of Santa Claus itself.

[Hurdegaryp]

I don't know. I just work here.

Could call the Devil. It's 666, right? What's the charge for a call to Hell these days? Is it still a lamb sacrifice for a two minute call?

They modernized the call center in Dis. All credit cards are accepted, or your soul if you're a traditionalist.

[The Great state of Atlantis]

Well, first of all, I never stated that I agree with the idea of banning Zwarte Piet, as the Dutch indeed don't have a blackface tradition and the character isn't in any way associated with blackface by the Dutch themselves. One might argue that in the (distant) past, the character was indeed portrayed in a fashion we might deem racist today, however, over time it appears that it has evolved away from any racist tendencies. Still, some people deem its appearance to hearken back to colonialism, even though it's a stupid thought, as the inhabitants of the former colonies celebrate it as well and not only do they dress themselves up but they also use make up in order to make themselves even blacker than they already are. And for the record: I love to eat watermelon during the summer and I like my occasional fried chicken. Does that make me a racist too? Ban KFC! They spread racist symbols! Ban the colonel! He was an old redneck! Desecrate his tomb!

The 19th century attempt to make Zwarte Piet (who is pretty much the same entity as Krampus in many respects) more family friendly has now become a merry subject of American documentaries, because America is the world and it is healthy to be angry about something that is not yet another mass shooting brought forth by the domestic terrorism that appears to become a stubborn American tradition.

Yeah, like the one in Cali yesterday right? Another bearded fella I heard.

[Immoren]

Could call the Devil. It's 666, right? What's the charge for a call to Hell these days? Is it still a lamb sacrifice for a two minute call?

They modernized the call center in Dis. All credit cards are accepted, or your soul if you're a traditionalist.

I can recommend getting them from the Man Of Glass. You get three wishes as a bonus.

[The Great state of Atlantis]

Hey, here's an idea: just throw in the old yulefest back in there. Although now that I think of it, the original author could perhaps have had a better ploy if he would have written an essay about the commercialism/mercantilism which has flooded the U.S. nationwide to an extent which can no longer to be considered fun anymore. Whereby people are sinking into depts further and further anually, as they're still paying for the debts they incurred from buying Christmas presents during the previous season. I for myself detest Christmas and all the hollowness it has come to represent. However, underneath tons and tons of commercials and the accompanying guilt they try force upon me, it just glances off, as it's merely a matter of how you deal with things. Me? I just bake a cake for my parents and my wife and I cook up something special in the kitchen. Afterwards, the two of us just jump in the sack for some really good xxx and leave christmas as it is. Just my two cents. As for the rest: let everyone celebrate (or not) in the way they choose. Banning things on whichever ground creates a misguided protectionist mentality.

[Vashtanaraada]

The 19th century attempt to make Zwarte Piet (who is pretty much the same entity as Krampus in many respects) more family friendly has now become a merry subject of American documentaries, because America is the world and it is healthy to be angry about something that is not yet another mass shooting brought forth by the domestic terrorism that appears to become a stubborn American tradition.

Yeah, like the one in Cali yesterday right? Another bearded fella I heard.


why'd you post that lad?

[Conscentia]

Yeah, like the one in Cali yesterday right? Another bearded fella I heard.
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why'd you post that lad?

Why did you quote it without spoilering it, or snipping it out of the quote?

[Vashtanaraada]

why'd you post that lad?

Why did you quote it without spoilering it, or snipping it out of the quote?

I'm postin' on a PS3, please sympathize

[The Great state of Atlantis]

Yeah, like the one in Cali yesterday right? Another bearded fella I heard.

why'd you post that lad?

Because it is what it is, another bombbeard right? A homegrown traitor. But that's beside the point now. The discussion centers around Saint-Nicholas. And no, I told you: I'm against banning Santy, or the elves, or Zwarte Piet or whatever.

[Povinksi]

Then again, Santa is just a big advertisement nowadays...
Really. Christmas and Easter are simply ways that we further entrench ourselves in consumer culture.

[Mornwood City]

Isn't the whole idea of Santa good for the economy?

[Conscentia]

Isn't the whole idea of Santa good for the economy?

It is possible to give gifts to children without lying about where they came from.

[The Great state of Atlantis]

Isn't the whole idea of Santa good for the economy?

It is possible to give gifts to children without lying about where they came from.

Yeah, you do it when it's their birthday.

[Kannap]

Isn't the whole idea of Santa good for the economy?

It is possible to give gifts to children without lying about where they came from.

It is also possible to disallow all avenues for creativity and imagination, let's do that.

[Settrah]

Isn't the whole idea of Santa good for the economy?

It is possible to give gifts to children without lying about where they came from.

Out of curiosity, what do you think parents should reply with, when their 4 year old asks them where babies come from?

[Hurdegaryp]

Then again, Santa is just a big advertisement nowadays...
Really. Christmas and Easter are simply ways that we further entrench ourselves in consumer culture.

To consume is to exist. The machine you're currently using in order to browse this forum only became available to you thanks to the relentless machinations of consumer culture. Consumer culture is inevitable. Consumer culture is necessary. Consumer culture is absolute.

[Conscentia]

It is possible to give gifts to children without lying about where they came from.

It is also possible to disallow all avenues for creativity and imagination, let's do that.

Either:
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/slippery-slope
Or:
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman
Or:
Both

[Kannap]

It is possible to give gifts to children without lying about where they came from.

Out of curiosity, what do you think parents should reply with, when their 4 year old asks them where babies come from?

Kids, at a young age, are magical thinkers. They don't think factually like older children or adults do, they think magically and they have stronger imaginations for it. So, the Santa Claus myth as well as those of the Easter Bunny or the Sandman or the Stork are all things that help to boost the imagination of younger children.

[Gauthier]

Isn't the whole idea of Santa good for the economy?

It is possible to give gifts to children without lying about where they came from.

"Dad, how did I get this PS4?"
"We took the money out of your college fund."

[Settrah]

Out of curiosity, what do you think parents should reply with, when their 4 year old asks them where babies come from?

Kids, at a young age, are magical thinkers. They don't think factually like older children or adults do, they think magically and they have stronger imaginations for it. So, the Santa Claus myth as well as those of the Easter Bunny or the Sandman or the Stork are all things that help to boost the imagination of younger children.

[The Great state of Atlantis]

Then again, Santa is just a big advertisement nowadays...
Really. Christmas and Easter are simply ways that we further entrench ourselves in consumer culture.

To consume is to exist. The machine you're currently using in order to browse this forum only became available to you thanks to the relentless machinations of consumer culture. Consumer culture is inevitable. Consumer culture is necessary. Consumer culture is absolute.

My guess is what is meant here is that consumerism has taken the place of the sense and spirit of community. Consumerism, or more precisely stated, advertisement as an aspect of comsumerism harpsichords on the guilt aspect: you are supposed to buy shit for your loved ones in order to show that they are your loved ones and if you don't, it officially makes you "that guy". But this is a false statement which people have brought and continue to bring unto themselves. Like I said: it's how you deal with things.

[Kannap]

It is also possible to disallow all avenues for creativity and imagination, let's do that.

Either:
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/slippery-slope
Or:
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman
Or:
Both

No, I was countering your point with a contrasting point, feel free to understand that is how a debate works. You simply stated that people can gift gifts to their children without lying about the gifts coming from a magical man in the North Pole. People who tend to believe that also think that lying about the Easter Bunny or any other fantasy beings is wrong and therefore would probably want to ban them as well. Although I worded it poorly to mimic what you were stating, the Santa myth boosts the imaginations and creativity of young children, who tend to be magical thinkers rather than factual thinkers. Do feel free to allow young children to enjoy their powerful imaginations while they have them, I wish I still had mine.