Santa Should be Banned

[The Republic of American Freedom]

They want to ruin xmas. After that they will ruin Kwanzaa and Ramadan.

And Hannukah. (Well more than they already have)

[Calimama]

Has anyone actually thought of how Ms. Claus would feel if her husband was suddenly banned?

[Eol Sha]

Some of us don't celebrate Christmas as a Christian holiday. We celebrate it as the consumerist funfest it has transformed itself into.

Yuletide.
It should be called more commonly as Yuletide in modern English.

Possibly one of the most awkward words ever created.

[Conscentia]

The word is shit, so let's destroy what little innocence and excitement children have left. For a better future.

Marvellous.

Children can have innocence and excitement without Santa.

[The Republic of American Freedom]

Has anyone actually thought of how Ms. Claus would feel if her husband was suddenly banned?

Think of all the Unemployed elves!

[Strag]

The word is shit, so let's destroy what little innocence and excitement children have left. For a better future.

Marvellous.

Children can have innocence and excitement without Santa.

Shouldn't they also have the right to believe in Santa? If you want to treat them like adults, then give them a choice.

[Calimama]

Has anyone actually thought of how Ms. Claus would feel if her husband was suddenly banned?

Think of all the Unemployed elves!

They would have to work at fast food restaurants!

[Strag]

Think of all the Unemployed elves!

They would have to work at fast food restaurants!

And then demand $15 an hour wages.

[The Alma Mater]

Has anyone actually thought of how Ms. Claus would feel if her husband was suddenly banned?

Depends.
If you believe Santa Clause is a representation of Saint Nicholas, there is no Ms Claus because Roman Catholic bishops do not marry
If you believe Santa Clause is a manifestation of Odin, Frigg is used to it and worse.
If you believe Santa Clause is an amalgam of old winter Gods, she is probably a demon anyway.
If you believe Santa Clause is the jolly old fat man, she'd be thirsty and have a pepsi.

[The Hobbesian Metaphysician]

Yet we turn a blind eye to Krampus.

Kind of hypocritical.

[Settrah]

The word is shit, so let's destroy what little innocence and excitement children have left. For a better future.

Marvellous.

Children can have innocence and excitement without Santa.

Children can also have innocence and excitement without the candy and toys they have, so let's suddenly take away all the candy and toys from them one day. But it's fine because there are other candy and toys.

You're missing the point.

[Conscentia]

Children can have innocence and excitement without Santa.

Shouldn't they also have the right to believe in Santa? If you want to treat them like adults, then give them a choice.

I'm not actually arguing to ban Santa. I'm just arguing against the awful arguments of the pro-Santa people on this thread.

[The Republic of American Freedom]

Yet we turn a blind eye to Krampus.


Kind of hypocritical.

Krampus gave me nightmares as a child. BAN HIM IMMEDIATELY!

[Conscentia]

Children can also have innocence and excitement without the candy and toys they have, so let's take away all the candy and toys from them one day. But it's fine because there are other candy and toys.

You're missing the point.

What is your point then?

[Calimama]

Has anyone actually thought of how Ms. Claus would feel if her husband was suddenly banned?

Depends.
If you believe Santa Clause is a representation of Saint Nicholas, there is no Ms Claus because Roman Catholic bishops do not marry
If you believe Santa Clause is a manifestation of Odin, Frigg is used to it and worse.
If you believe Santa Clause is an amalgam of old winter Gods, she is probably a demon anyway.
If you believe Santa Clause is the jolly old fat man, she'd be thirsty and have a pepsi.

I was just trying to act in the eyes of the children, who write letters to the north pole and feed Santa milk and cookies...They believe that Santa is real and that's pretty much what Christmas is all about for them, if they are told that their parents are giving them the toys, they'll just think of it as another birthday on the year...and turn away from what Christmas is really about.

[Brabantum]

If this is an issue because patents lie to their children, just remember: Sometimes, a lie can help you grow.

Oh, and don't forget that Santa has a long history and is a traditional holiday character.

[Eol Sha]

Depends.
If you believe Santa Clause is a representation of Saint Nicholas, there is no Ms Claus because Roman Catholic bishops do not marry
If you believe Santa Clause is a manifestation of Odin, Frigg is used to it and worse.
If you believe Santa Clause is an amalgam of old winter Gods, she is probably a demon anyway.
If you believe Santa Clause is the jolly old fat man, she'd be thirsty and have a pepsi.

I was just trying to act in the eyes of the children, who write letters to the north pole and feed Santa milk and cookies...They believe that Santa is real and that's pretty much what Christmas is all about for them, if they are told that their parents are giving them the toys, they'll just think of it as another birthday on the year...and turn away from what Christmas is really about.

Filming home videos and taking pictures with cameras?

[Conscentia]

Yet we turn a blind eye to Krampus.
Kind of hypocritical.

Krampus ist ein bösen Mann

[The Alma Mater]

Depends.
If you believe Santa Clause is a representation of Saint Nicholas, there is no Ms Claus because Roman Catholic bishops do not marry
If you believe Santa Clause is a manifestation of Odin, Frigg is used to it and worse.
If you believe Santa Clause is an amalgam of old winter Gods, she is probably a demon anyway.
If you believe Santa Clause is the jolly old fat man, she'd be thirsty and have a pepsi.

I was just trying to act in the eyes of the children, who write letters to the north pole and feed Santa milk and cookies...They believe that Santa is real and that's pretty much what Christmas is all about for them, if they are told that their parents are giving them the toys, they'll just think of it as another birthday on the year...and turn away from what Christmas is really about.

Being together with your family and celebrating that the winter solstice has passed ?

[Settrah]

Children can also have innocence and excitement without the candy and toys they have, so let's take away all the candy and toys from them one day. But it's fine because there are other candy and toys.

You're missing the point.

What is your point then?

You're still taking away something iconic and magical, from the young minds not yet corrupted too early from the cynical realism of a world falling to war and oppression, for seemely forced reasons like 'all Christianity is bad', 'parents telling fibs' or 'oh god evil old white man', when there are several more important things in the world to give a shit about.

Just let kids have their fun. They've got the rest of their life to grow up and see the world for what it is. Let them have their precious moments.

[Krjder]

Tis the season to be jolly fa la la la la-la la la la...

Ooh, I bet you're great fun a Christmas parties! Yeah, so you'd be willing to swipe away years of tradition? Despite the fact I'm a Roman Catholic and as such I take Advent and the Christmas feast days as days of celebrating the birth of Christ.. My favourite part of Christmas is the gifts, the laughter, the carols, the midnight mass, Christmas shopping, roast goose and cinnamon.

If you don't buy the whole Santa thing, fine have a festive and merry 'Season', but don't dampen the Christmas spirit with your melancholy tones.

None of that has anything to do with Santa.

I'm making the point that by taking Santa out of the equation, it's destroying a lot of symbolism. It's one of the many things Christmas is about. Ask someone what Christmas means to them. What will they say? Presents? The Nativity? Christmas Lunch? Reindeer? Carols? Most will probably say Santa.

[Calimama]

I was just trying to act in the eyes of the children, who write letters to the north pole and feed Santa milk and cookies...They believe that Santa is real and that's pretty much what Christmas is all about for them, if they are told that their parents are giving them the toys, they'll just think of it as another birthday on the year...and turn away from what Christmas is really about.

Filming home videos and taking pictures with cameras?

No no...if they don't think that they have to act well even when their parents are not watching them, because Santa is watching their every action, then they will not try to be good and cheerful to be on the 'nice list' but rather they will just do whatever they want, because they know that they will still get their presents anyway.

[Conscentia]

What is your point then?

You're still taking away something iconic and magical, from the young minds not yet corrupted too early from the cynical realism of a world falling to war and oppression, for seemely forced reasons like 'all Christianity is bad', 'parents telling fibs' or 'oh god evil old white man', when there are several more important things in the world to give a shit about.

Just let kids have their fun.

If you don't consider this a matter worth discussing, why are you discussing it?

[Blayk]

Depends.
If you believe Santa Clause is a representation of Saint Nicholas, there is no Ms Claus because Roman Catholic bishops do not marry
If you believe Santa Clause is a manifestation of Odin, Frigg is used to it and worse.
If you believe Santa Clause is an amalgam of old winter Gods, she is probably a demon anyway.
If you believe Santa Clause is the jolly old fat man, she'd be thirsty and have a pepsi.

I was just trying to act in the eyes of the children, who write letters to the north pole and feed Santa milk and cookies...They believe that Santa is real and that's pretty much what Christmas is all about for them, if they are told that their parents are giving them the toys, they'll just think of it as another birthday on the year...and turn away from what Christmas is really about.

And what is Christmas really about?
The Catholic Church wanting to carry on a Pagan Tradition by saying it's their Messiah's Birthday? or Bringing your family together in the middle of a baking hot summers day to get drunk and have a barbecue?

[Settrah]

You're still taking away something iconic and magical, from the young minds not yet corrupted too early from the cynical realism of a world falling to war and oppression, for seemely forced reasons like 'all Christianity is bad', 'parents telling fibs' or 'oh god evil old white man', when there are several more important things in the world to give a shit about.

Just let kids have their fun.

If you don't consider this a matter worth discussing, why are you discussing it?

Because I'm curious as to why people feel the crisis of Santa's existence is a matter worth discussing.