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by Hurdegaryp » Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:28 am
CVT Temp wrote:I mean, we can actually create a mathematical definition for evolution in terms of the evolutionary algorithm and then write code to deal with abstract instances of evolution, which basically equates to mathematical proof that evolution works. All that remains is to show that biological systems replicate in such a way as to satisfy the minimal criteria required for evolution to apply to them, something which has already been adequately shown time and again. At this point, we've pretty much proven that not only can evolution happen, it pretty much must happen since it's basically impossible to prevent it from happening.
by Gim » Wed Dec 09, 2015 1:32 pm
by Immoren » Wed Dec 09, 2015 1:37 pm
discoursedrome wrote:everyone knows that quote, "I know not what weapons World War Three will be fought, but World War Four will be fought with sticks and stones," but in a way it's optimistic and inspiring because it suggests that even after destroying civilization and returning to the stone age we'll still be sufficiently globalized and bellicose to have another world war right then and there
by Valystria » Thu Dec 10, 2015 8:47 am
Gim wrote:Valystria wrote:It's the most malicious and selfish reward system ever devised. And it's a central theme of most major religions. Coincidence?
I don't understand. Such a tradition motivates children to behave well, and tell me how the rituals and practices of Santa Claus is entirely religious.
Children from religious families are less kind and more punitive than those from non-religious households, according to a new study.
Academics from seven universities across the world studied Christian, Muslim and non-religious children to test the relationship between religion and morality.
They found that religious belief is a negative influence on children’s altruism.
by Rhursbourg » Thu Dec 10, 2015 8:54 am
by San Lumen » Thu Dec 10, 2015 9:33 am
by Ugatoo » Thu Dec 10, 2015 9:34 am
San Lumen wrote:Its really sad this has gone on for over 50 pages and that some people have no imagination or sense of wonder. They want all fun and magic removed from everything. let's start banning all fiction books and all fantasy shows like Grimm. No more fantasy only truth.
by Valystria » Thu Dec 10, 2015 9:34 am
San Lumen wrote:Its really sad this has gone on for over 50 pages and that some people have no imagination or sense of wonder. They want all fun and magic removed from everything. let's start banning all fiction books and all fantasy shows like Grimm. No more fantasy only truth.
by Hurdegaryp » Thu Dec 10, 2015 9:35 am
San Lumen wrote:Its really sad this has gone on for over 50 pages and that some people have no imagination or sense of wonder. They want all fun and magic removed from everything. let's start banning all fiction books and all fantasy shows like Grimm. No more fantasy only truth.
CVT Temp wrote:I mean, we can actually create a mathematical definition for evolution in terms of the evolutionary algorithm and then write code to deal with abstract instances of evolution, which basically equates to mathematical proof that evolution works. All that remains is to show that biological systems replicate in such a way as to satisfy the minimal criteria required for evolution to apply to them, something which has already been adequately shown time and again. At this point, we've pretty much proven that not only can evolution happen, it pretty much must happen since it's basically impossible to prevent it from happening.
by Kannap » Thu Dec 10, 2015 9:35 am
San Lumen wrote:Its really sad this has gone on for over 50 pages and that some people have no imagination or sense of wonder. They want all fun and magic removed from everything. let's start banning all fiction books and all fantasy shows like Grimm. No more fantasy only truth.
by Kannap » Thu Dec 10, 2015 9:37 am
Ugatoo wrote:San Lumen wrote:Its really sad this has gone on for over 50 pages and that some people have no imagination or sense of wonder. They want all fun and magic removed from everything. let's start banning all fiction books and all fantasy shows like Grimm. No more fantasy only truth.
I'm all for fantasy, but I'm very against religion and consumerism. I'd love to go anywhere in from November - December and not hear "Jesus this, Santa that."
by Valystria » Thu Dec 10, 2015 9:37 am
Hurdegaryp wrote:San Lumen wrote:Its really sad this has gone on for over 50 pages and that some people have no imagination or sense of wonder. They want all fun and magic removed from everything. let's start banning all fiction books and all fantasy shows like Grimm. No more fantasy only truth.
Even though some of the people supporting the whole idea of banning Santa very much live in a fantasy world of their own.
by Hurdegaryp » Thu Dec 10, 2015 9:38 am
Valystria wrote:Hurdegaryp wrote:Even though some of the people supporting the whole idea of banning Santa very much live in a fantasy world of their own.
According to you, and in the process you've created your own fantasy world in which you believe people who want to ban Santa live in a fantasy world.
CVT Temp wrote:I mean, we can actually create a mathematical definition for evolution in terms of the evolutionary algorithm and then write code to deal with abstract instances of evolution, which basically equates to mathematical proof that evolution works. All that remains is to show that biological systems replicate in such a way as to satisfy the minimal criteria required for evolution to apply to them, something which has already been adequately shown time and again. At this point, we've pretty much proven that not only can evolution happen, it pretty much must happen since it's basically impossible to prevent it from happening.
by Kannap » Thu Dec 10, 2015 9:38 am
Valystria wrote:Hurdegaryp wrote:Even though some of the people supporting the whole idea of banning Santa very much live in a fantasy world of their own.
According to you, and in the process you've created your own fantasy world in which you believe people who want to ban Santa live in a fantasy world.
by Hurdegaryp » Thu Dec 10, 2015 9:40 am
Kannap wrote:Valystria wrote:According to you, and in the process you've created your own fantasy world in which you believe people who want to ban Santa live in a fantasy world.
In the process of calling out Hurd for creating a fantasy world in which he believes people who want to ban Santa live in a fantasy world, you have created a fantasy world of your own in which you believe that people who believe that people who want to ban Santa live in a fantasy world also live in a fantasy world.
CVT Temp wrote:I mean, we can actually create a mathematical definition for evolution in terms of the evolutionary algorithm and then write code to deal with abstract instances of evolution, which basically equates to mathematical proof that evolution works. All that remains is to show that biological systems replicate in such a way as to satisfy the minimal criteria required for evolution to apply to them, something which has already been adequately shown time and again. At this point, we've pretty much proven that not only can evolution happen, it pretty much must happen since it's basically impossible to prevent it from happening.
by Valystria » Thu Dec 10, 2015 9:40 am
Hurdegaryp wrote:Valystria wrote:According to you, and in the process you've created your own fantasy world in which you believe people who want to ban Santa live in a fantasy world.
I see what you did there, and that while being engaged in all the court intrigues of your personal kingdom at the same time! This deserves a round of applause.
Kannap wrote:Ugatoo wrote:I'm all for fantasy, but I'm very against religion and consumerism. I'd love to go anywhere in from November - December and not hear "Jesus this, Santa that."
Ignore it, other people do. Complaining about it is not helping yourself or anybody else. Religion is a big thing in this world and so is consumerism, everybody's not just going to drop all that and behave in the way you want the world to behave.
by San Lumen » Thu Dec 10, 2015 9:41 am
Valystria wrote:San Lumen wrote:Its really sad this has gone on for over 50 pages and that some people have no imagination or sense of wonder. They want all fun and magic removed from everything. let's start banning all fiction books and all fantasy shows like Grimm. No more fantasy only truth.
People can have an imagination and sense of wonder without Santa in their lives, as they had before the Santa ritual existed and will continue to have after the Santa ritual no longer exists.
If you want to ban fiction books and fantasy shows, I suggest you start a thread for it. It isn't relevant to a ban on Santa.
by Kannap » Thu Dec 10, 2015 9:42 am
Valystria wrote:Hurdegaryp wrote:I see what you did there, and that while being engaged in all the court intrigues of your personal kingdom at the same time! This deserves a round of applause.
No, it doesn't. I don't have a personal kingdom.Kannap wrote:
Ignore it, other people do. Complaining about it is not helping yourself or anybody else. Religion is a big thing in this world and so is consumerism, everybody's not just going to drop all that and behave in the way you want the world to behave.
It's not about wanting the world to behave a certain way. It's about not wanting them to behave a certain way. Not wanting them to behave in a religious way.
Unethical cultural practices like religion and the Santa ritual exist because they are unopposed. Opposition to those practices has to start somewhere.
by Valystria » Thu Dec 10, 2015 9:43 am
San Lumen wrote:Valystria wrote:People can have an imagination and sense of wonder without Santa in their lives, as they had before the Santa ritual existed and will continue to have after the Santa ritual no longer exists.
If you want to ban fiction books and fantasy shows, I suggest you start a thread for it. It isn't relevant to a ban on Santa.
i never said i wanted to ban fiction books and fantasy shows but it sure seems you do. Why are you called Santa a ritual? its not a religion. Go read the 1897 letter called Yes, Virginia there is a Santa. Should all the books and movies about Santa Claus be banned as well?
Hurdegaryp wrote:Kannap wrote:In the process of calling out Hurd for creating a fantasy world in which he believes people who want to ban Santa live in a fantasy world, you have created a fantasy world of your own in which you believe that people who believe that people who want to ban Santa live in a fantasy world also live in a fantasy world.
While you, in the process of calling out Valystria for calling out Hurd for creating... you get the drift. We could be doing this all day!
by Hurdegaryp » Thu Dec 10, 2015 9:45 am
CVT Temp wrote:I mean, we can actually create a mathematical definition for evolution in terms of the evolutionary algorithm and then write code to deal with abstract instances of evolution, which basically equates to mathematical proof that evolution works. All that remains is to show that biological systems replicate in such a way as to satisfy the minimal criteria required for evolution to apply to them, something which has already been adequately shown time and again. At this point, we've pretty much proven that not only can evolution happen, it pretty much must happen since it's basically impossible to prevent it from happening.
by Ugatoo » Thu Dec 10, 2015 9:45 am
Kannap wrote:Ugatoo wrote:I'm all for fantasy, but I'm very against religion and consumerism. I'd love to go anywhere in from November - December and not hear "Jesus this, Santa that."
Ignore it, other people do. Complaining about it is not helping yourself or anybody else. Religion is a big thing in this world and so is consumerism, everybody's not just going to drop all that and behave in the way you want the world to behave.
by Valystria » Thu Dec 10, 2015 9:50 am
Kannap wrote:Valystria wrote:No, it doesn't. I don't have a personal kingdom.
It's not about wanting the world to behave a certain way. It's about not wanting them to behave a certain way. Not wanting them to behave in a religious way.
Unethical cultural practices like religion and the Santa ritual exist because they are unopposed. Opposition to those practices has to start somewhere.
As a religious person myself, I call bullshit on the idea that religion is unopposed.
Meanwhile, from what I am seeing, your entire argument is "I don't like Santa or religion, and some other people don't either, while most of the world does. Therefore we must bring it all down."
by Ugatoo » Thu Dec 10, 2015 9:52 am
Valystria wrote:Kannap wrote:
As a religious person myself, I call bullshit on the idea that religion is unopposed.
Meanwhile, from what I am seeing, your entire argument is "I don't like Santa or religion, and some other people don't either, while most of the world does. Therefore we must bring it all down."
No, feel free to read the OP and various pages of the thread to see it's not about personal whims.
You haven't countered those points. You've instead resorted to ridiculing and trying to shut down displays of support for banning, abolishing, or phasing out the Santa ritual.
by Hurdegaryp » Thu Dec 10, 2015 10:17 am
Ugatoo wrote:Valystria wrote:No, feel free to read the OP and various pages of the thread to see it's not about personal whims.
You haven't countered those points. You've instead resorted to ridiculing and trying to shut down displays of support for banning, abolishing, or phasing out the Santa ritual.
This is a literal war on Christmas.
CVT Temp wrote:I mean, we can actually create a mathematical definition for evolution in terms of the evolutionary algorithm and then write code to deal with abstract instances of evolution, which basically equates to mathematical proof that evolution works. All that remains is to show that biological systems replicate in such a way as to satisfy the minimal criteria required for evolution to apply to them, something which has already been adequately shown time and again. At this point, we've pretty much proven that not only can evolution happen, it pretty much must happen since it's basically impossible to prevent it from happening.
by Ugatoo » Thu Dec 10, 2015 10:18 am
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