Santa Should be Banned

[Hurdegaryp]

What about female Santa type characters?

Sexy

About time we got some equality of the sexes in the whole Santa myth!

[The Jaclean Empire]

If you want to have Santa banned... you've gone too far.

[Ugatoo]

Honestly I find Santa a lot less damaging of a lie to children than say... Christianity.

No wars have been fought over Santa.
No one has ever been stoned to death for being homosexual because Santa disapproves.
No one goes around molesting children under the guise of a servant of Santa.
No one has ever used Santa in defence of their racist hate group.

[Gim]

Honestly I find Santa a lot less damaging of a lie to children than say... Christianity.

No wars have been fought over Santa.
No one has ever been stoned to death for being homosexual because Santa disapproves.
No one goes around molesting children under the guise of a servant of Santa.
No one has ever used Santa in defence of their racist hate group.

Christianity, nowadays, does not support warfare or violence.

[Ugatoo]

Honestly I find Santa a lot less damaging of a lie to children than say... Christianity.

No wars have been fought over Santa.
No one has ever been stoned to death for being homosexual because Santa disapproves.
No one goes around molesting children under the guise of a servant of Santa.
No one has ever used Santa in defence of their racist hate group.

Christianity, nowadays, does not support warfare or violence.

But molesting children is still on the table?

[Patridam]

I no way do I support banning santa... but I can at least comprehend your points, though I don't agree with them.

What I don't understand is how it would be logistically possible to ENFORCE a ban on Santa Claus? Does the government force close department stores that have santa? Does it launch a massive lawsuit against the Salvation Army? Does a S.W.A.T. team bust through your window and taze your child if they put out milk and cookies?

[Ugatoo]

I no way do I support banning santa... but I can at least comprehend your points, though I don't agree with them.

What I don't understand is how it would be logistically possible to ENFORCE a ban on Santa Claus? Does the government force close department stores that have santa? Does it launch a massive lawsuit against the Salvation Army? Does a S.W.A.T. team bust through your window and taze your child if they put out milk and cookies?

It's not that hard to enforce a ban on iconography, Germany does it with Nazi related images.

[Vaulfenstein]

Banning Santa would ruin one man's joy. He has the joy of pretending to be santa. To grow his white beard for every december and just work even though he doesn't have to. He finds it fun, because it's better than the actual holiday, because to him it is the holiday.

Just to be serious now.

[Fartsniffage]

Christianity, nowadays, does not support warfare or violence.

But molesting children is still on the table?

What the fuck dude?

[Ugatoo]

No, we should just turn Santa into a porn-star instead.

Unless you have reasons as to why I'd call this spam.

[Patridam]

I no way do I support banning santa... but I can at least comprehend your points, though I don't agree with them.

What I don't understand is how it would be logistically possible to ENFORCE a ban on Santa Claus? Does the government force close department stores that have santa? Does it launch a massive lawsuit against the Salvation Army? Does a S.W.A.T. team bust through your window and taze your child if they put out milk and cookies?

It's not that hard to enforce a ban on iconography, Germany does it with Nazi related images.

Yes, and that's Germany. I don't think, for example, America could handle it nearly as well. Blatantly racist/homophobic things get protected under free speech here, as does religious association (although Santa Claus is might disparate from Christianity nowadays), so if very obviously "bad" things get a free pass something (at least widely perceived as) harmless/good isn't going to get censored without a serious fight from both the population and the bill of rights. But I digress, back to Germany:

But do they enforce it within the private home? Such a ban would lose any power if the kids still get taught it at home - and you know almost all parents would recognize such a ban as the crock it is and would go ahead and encourage kids to believe in manta.

[Vaulfenstein]

Banning Santa would be like banning Jesus Christ. I don't doubt there is a church out there that replaces Jesus with Santa.

[Ugatoo]

It's not that hard to enforce a ban on iconography, Germany does it with Nazi related images.

Yes, and that's Germany. I don't think, for example, America could handle it nearly as well. Blatantly racist/homophobic things get protected under free speech here, as does religious association (although Santa Claus is might disparate from Christianity nowadays), so if very obviously "bad" things get a free pass something (at least widely perceived as) harmless/good isn't going to get censored without a serious fight from both the population and the bill of rights. But I digress, back to Germany:

But do they enforce it within the private home? Such a ban would lose any power if the kids still get taught it at home - and you know almost all parents would recognize such a ban as the crock it is and would go ahead and encourage kids to believe in manta.

As far as I know there has been no Fourth Reich

[Patridam]

Yes, and that's Germany. I don't think, for example, America could handle it nearly as well. Blatantly racist/homophobic things get protected under free speech here, as does religious association (although Santa Claus is might disparate from Christianity nowadays), so if very obviously "bad" things get a free pass something (at least widely perceived as) harmless/good isn't going to get censored without a serious fight from both the population and the bill of rights. But I digress, back to Germany:

But do they enforce it within the private home? Such a ban would lose any power if the kids still get taught it at home - and you know almost all parents would recognize such a ban as the crock it is and would go ahead and encourage kids to believe in manta.

As far as I know there has been no Fourth Reich

Belief in the value of santa claus (not saying adults actually believe he exists, just that they find him a positive force) has got to run in the 90-99% range. Nazism was never that popular, especially immediately following the war. False comparison.

And while it's neither here nor there I don't support banning any ideology or iconography, Nazi or otherwise.

[Vaulfenstein]

Plus you'd be banning tons of bad christmas movies which people like to watch and make fun of.

Who else are we going to make fun of? Soon we'll have a Fourth Reich type thing and this time the French Resistance or whatever will dress like elves and their leader will be Santa Claus. Just saying, humans would do it. Then Santa Claus would be the symbol of warfare and instead of our "peaceful" gods we would actually have a straight up warlord or a god. Then all this would basically happen again except with different land mass probably. Except since this Santa is going to be like a Cossack or something the world's going to start out all Russian/Ukrainian like. Or something.

[Ugatoo]

As far as I know there has been no Fourth Reich

Belief in the value of santa claus (not saying adults actually believe he exists, just that they find him a positive force) has got to run in the 90-99% range. Nazism was never that popular, especially immediately following the war. False comparison.

And while it's neither here nor there I don't support banning any ideology or iconography, Nazi or otherwise.

I'd like to see the source for that 90-99% range because anecdotal evidence from my life shows most people either neutral to santa or dislike him because of rampant commercialism

[Personal Freedom]

Belief in the value of santa claus (not saying adults actually believe he exists, just that they find him a positive force) has got to run in the 90-99% range. Nazism was never that popular, especially immediately following the war. False comparison.

And while it's neither here nor there I don't support banning any ideology or iconography, Nazi or otherwise.

I'd like to see the source for that 90-99% range because anecdotal evidence from my life shows most people either neutral to santa or dislike him because of rampant commercialism

I'm enraged not because I care about Santa but because this is jingoistic and a violation of human rights. You can't ban traditions because you don't like them. You can only ban what is harmful to others.

[Kannap]

Banning Santa would ruin one man's joy. He has the joy of pretending to be santa. To grow his white beard for every december and just work even though he doesn't have to. He finds it fun, because it's better than the actual holiday, because to him it is the holiday.

Just to be serious now.

And think of all the unemployment, all those poor jobless mall Santas if you ban Santa.

[Patridam]

Belief in the value of santa claus (not saying adults actually believe he exists, just that they find him a positive force) has got to run in the 90-99% range. Nazism was never that popular, especially immediately following the war. False comparison.

And while it's neither here nor there I don't support banning any ideology or iconography, Nazi or otherwise.

I'd like to see the source for that 90-99% range because anecdotal evidence from my life shows most people either neutral to santa or dislike him because of rampant commercialism

I don't believe there's a source on how many would support a ban on santa or not because it's such an asinine idea that no one outside this website could ever think it up.

Anyway, keep in mind a ban on santa iconography would equate to a ban on the vast vast majority Christmas movies: Miracle on 34th Street, The Santa Clause, Elf, A Christmas Story, How the Grich Stole Christmas Christmas Vacation, Home Alone, The Polar Express.... and several more that have Santa mentioned incidentally, that might not even be Christmas movies.

And probably over 3/4 of holiday-related songs, and the same thing with incidentals, millions upon millions of decorations, and every book that has any portion its story taking place over Christmas - including classics like To Kill a Mockingbird and Little Women.

Do you really think most of the people you know would support taking all of those things and throwing on the burn pile for heresy?

[Ugatoo]

I'd like to see the source for that 90-99% range because anecdotal evidence from my life shows most people either neutral to santa or dislike him because of rampant commercialism

I don't believe there's a source on how many would support a ban on santa or not because it's such an asinine idea that no one outside this website could ever think it up.

Anyway, keep in mind a ban on santa iconography would equate to a ban on the vast vast majority Christmas movies: Miracle on 34th Street, The Santa Clause, Elf, A Christmas Story, How the Grich Stole Christmas Christmas Vacation, Home Alone, The Polar Express.... and several more that have Santa mentioned incidentally, that might not even be Christmas movies.

And probably over 3/4 of holiday-related songs, and the same thing with incidentals, millions upon millions of decorations, and every book that has any portion its story taking place over Christmas - including classics like To Kill a Mockingbird and Little Women.

Do you really think most of the people you know would support taking all of those things and throwing on the burn pile for heresy?

See you're acting like losing Christmas movies and songs is a bad thing, legitimately the only thing I'd miss is Die Hard but if that means no Christmas crap I'll do it.

[Vaulfenstein]

I don't believe there's a source on how many would support a ban on santa or not because it's such an asinine idea that no one outside this website could ever think it up.

Anyway, keep in mind a ban on santa iconography would equate to a ban on the vast vast majority Christmas movies: Miracle on 34th Street, The Santa Clause, Elf, A Christmas Story, How the Grich Stole Christmas Christmas Vacation, Home Alone, The Polar Express.... and several more that have Santa mentioned incidentally, that might not even be Christmas movies.

And probably over 3/4 of holiday-related songs, and the same thing with incidentals, millions upon millions of decorations, and every book that has any portion its story taking place over Christmas - including classics like To Kill a Mockingbird and Little Women.

Do you really think most of the people you know would support taking all of those things and throwing on the burn pile for heresy?

See you're acting like losing Christmas movies and songs is a bad thing, legitimately the only thing I'd miss is Die Hard but if that means no Christmas crap I'll do it.

It is a bad thing.

[Patridam]

I don't believe there's a source on how many would support a ban on santa or not because it's such an asinine idea that no one outside this website could ever think it up.

Anyway, keep in mind a ban on santa iconography would equate to a ban on the vast vast majority Christmas movies: Miracle on 34th Street, The Santa Clause, Elf, A Christmas Story, How the Grich Stole Christmas Christmas Vacation, Home Alone, The Polar Express.... and several more that have Santa mentioned incidentally, that might not even be Christmas movies.

And probably over 3/4 of holiday-related songs, and the same thing with incidentals, millions upon millions of decorations, and every book that has any portion its story taking place over Christmas - including classics like To Kill a Mockingbird and Little Women.

Do you really think most of the people you know would support taking all of those things and throwing on the burn pile for heresy?

See you're acting like losing Christmas movies and songs is a bad thing, legitimately the only thing I'd miss is Die Hard but if that means no Christmas crap I'll do it.

Yes, I act like it's a bad thing, because it damn well IS a bad thing. With this ban there will literally be no Christmas. In fact, the whole thing sounds like some villain's plan in a Christmas B-movie, not even stealing christmas like the Grinch but just destroying the whole kaboodle and making everyone act like it never existed soley because what? You don't like eggnog?

[Gim]

But molesting children is still on the table?

What the fuck dude?

He's probably referring to Mormonism, which is really not a part of Christianity.

[Ugatoo]

See you're acting like losing Christmas movies and songs is a bad thing, legitimately the only thing I'd miss is Die Hard but if that means no Christmas crap I'll do it.

Yes, I act like it's a bad thing, because it damn well IS a bad thing. With this ban there will literally be no Christmas. In fact, the whole thing sounds like some villain's plan in a Christmas B-movie, not even stealing christmas like the Grinch but just destroying the whole kaboodle and making everyone act like it never existed soley because what? You don't like eggnog?

Oh no! No Christmas? I suppose you'll just have to show your loved ones that you care about them at other non-socially obligated times of the year. You haven't actually made any point as to why Christmas or Santa is important as far as I've seen

[Patridam]

What the fuck dude?

He's probably referring to Mormonism, which is really not a part of Christianity.

I was thinking he meant that whole Catholic priest stereotype myself.