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Postby Republic of Canador » Fri Dec 04, 2015 2:23 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Valystria wrote:
The economic resources would be redirected elsewhere.


Where?

Halloween doesn't have its own character.

Ahem. Some of us still wait in our pumpkin patches waiting for the Great Pumpkin.
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Postby Valystria » Fri Dec 04, 2015 2:27 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Valystria wrote:
The economic resources would be redirected elsewhere.


Where?

Halloween doesn't have its own character.

Easter is too small.

Back to School sales are falling.

Valentines day is too exclusive.

And every other holiday is too small.

Killing off Santa will have a devastating effect on the economy.

Why would it be devastating? Christmas would remain. Christmas shopping would remain. The only difference is there wouldn't be a Santa.

Cinia wrote:Is this whole thread a joke? There is no adverse repercussions for telling your children that Santa is real. The whole idea of Santa is to trick your kids into being good the entire year so Santa will bring them presents. Other than just "tricking" them which may be an invasion of trust, but whatever. Plus it gives those children the childhood wonderment that is magical to them and necessary to some. I don't see a problem with it.

It's unethical to swindle children into believing in the existence of a fictional character.

Calimama wrote:Then make a better argument than "You are mistaken...or This is a pressing issue...or Children shouldn't have to be imposed on..." People are making much better arguments than what you are saying.

"You are mistaken" was in response to someone who believes IM isn't sincere.

"The ritual of Santa shouldn't be imposed upon children" stands up on its own merits. If people want to take part in Santa without having been lied into believing Santa is real, there would be far less reason to ban Santa.

It is a pressing issue. It affects countless numbers of people from an early age and happens again every year.

Valyrian Freeholds wrote:I mean god is a criminal character! He's committed genocide! He should be banned!

This is dumb, the whole story of Santa Claus is a nice thing that given kids good feeling and excitement for the holidays. Sure the bubble bursts but people get over it, clearly, Infected Mushroom and Valystria went through bad Santa Isn't Real phases, :p

Neither of us went through that.

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Postby Nilla Wayfarers » Fri Dec 04, 2015 2:30 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Killing off Santa will have a devastating effect on the economy.

Haha... No.

Santa Claus is what parents use to scare their children into being kind and respectful from Thanksgiving to Christmas.
He's more of a threat than an economic symbol. He only exists because the Coca-Cola Company wanted a jolly red old man drinking their products plastered on television and billboards.
We can go without him.
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Postby Immoren » Fri Dec 04, 2015 2:30 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Halloween doesn't have its own character.


Saints are not character? :p

Valystria wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Where?

Halloween doesn't have its own character.

Easter is too small.

Back to School sales are falling.

Valentines day is too exclusive.

And every other holiday is too small.

Killing off Santa will have a devastating effect on the economy.

Why would it be devastating? Christmas would remain. Christmas shopping would remain. The only difference is there wouldn't be a Santa.

Cinia wrote:Is this whole thread a joke? There is no adverse repercussions for telling your children that Santa is real. The whole idea of Santa is to trick your kids into being good the entire year so Santa will bring them presents. Other than just "tricking" them which may be an invasion of trust, but whatever. Plus it gives those children the childhood wonderment that is magical to them and necessary to some. I don't see a problem with it.

It's unethical to swindle children into believing in the existence of a fictional character.

Calimama wrote:Then make a better argument than "You are mistaken...or This is a pressing issue...or Children shouldn't have to be imposed on..." People are making much better arguments than what you are saying.

"You are mistaken" was in response to someone who believes IM isn't sincere.

"The ritual of Santa shouldn't be imposed upon children" stands up on its own merits. If people want to take part in Santa without having been lied into believing Santa is real, there would be far less reason to ban Santa.

It is a pressing issue. It affects countless numbers of people from an early age and happens again every year.

Valyrian Freeholds wrote:I mean god is a criminal character! He's committed genocide! He should be banned!

This is dumb, the whole story of Santa Claus is a nice thing that given kids good feeling and excitement for the holidays. Sure the bubble bursts but people get over it, clearly, Infected Mushroom and Valystria went through bad Santa Isn't Real phases, :p

Neither of us went through that.

It isn't about me. It's about building a more ethical society.


How can children start to believe in big lies, if they can't start in big?
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Postby Immoren » Fri Dec 04, 2015 2:31 pm

Nilla Wayfarers wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Killing off Santa will have a devastating effect on the economy.

Haha... No.

Santa Claus is what parents use to scare their children into being kind and respectful from Thanksgiving to Christmas.
He's more of a threat than an economic symbol. He only exists because the Coca-Cola Company wanted a jolly red old man drinking their products plastered on television and billboards.
We can go without him.


Santa is older than Coca-Cola.
Santa is simply newest incarnation of the oden the gift giver.
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Postby Nilla Wayfarers » Fri Dec 04, 2015 2:34 pm

Immoren wrote:
Nilla Wayfarers wrote:Haha... No.

Santa Claus is what parents use to scare their children into being kind and respectful from Thanksgiving to Christmas.
He's more of a threat than an economic symbol. He only exists because the Coca-Cola Company wanted a jolly red old man drinking their products plastered on television and billboards.
We can go without him.


Santa is older than Coca-Cola.
Santa is simply newest incarnation of the oden the gift giver.

I'm talking about the heavy-set, rosy-cheeked, ho-ho-ho Santa with the blood-red fur coat and pants.
That's what Coca-Cola did.
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Postby Calimama » Fri Dec 04, 2015 2:35 pm

Valystria wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Where?

Halloween doesn't have its own character.

Easter is too small.

Back to School sales are falling.

Valentines day is too exclusive.

And every other holiday is too small.

Killing off Santa will have a devastating effect on the economy.

Why would it be devastating? Christmas would remain. Christmas shopping would remain. The only difference is there wouldn't be a Santa.

Cinia wrote:Is this whole thread a joke? There is no adverse repercussions for telling your children that Santa is real. The whole idea of Santa is to trick your kids into being good the entire year so Santa will bring them presents. Other than just "tricking" them which may be an invasion of trust, but whatever. Plus it gives those children the childhood wonderment that is magical to them and necessary to some. I don't see a problem with it.

It's unethical to swindle children into believing in the existence of a fictional character.

Calimama wrote:Then make a better argument than "You are mistaken...or This is a pressing issue...or Children shouldn't have to be imposed on..." People are making much better arguments than what you are saying.

"You are mistaken" was in response to someone who believes IM isn't sincere.

"The ritual of Santa shouldn't be imposed upon children" stands up on its own merits. If people want to take part in Santa without having been lied into believing Santa is real, there would be far less reason to ban Santa.

It is a pressing issue. It affects countless numbers of people from an early age and happens again every year.

Valyrian Freeholds wrote:I mean god is a criminal character! He's committed genocide! He should be banned!

This is dumb, the whole story of Santa Claus is a nice thing that given kids good feeling and excitement for the holidays. Sure the bubble bursts but people get over it, clearly, Infected Mushroom and Valystria went through bad Santa Isn't Real phases, :p

Neither of us went through that.

It isn't about me. It's about building a more ethical society.

Okay...If Santa was banned(which is a bad idea.)
1.How would you enforce it?
2.How much money would it cost?
3.What would be the punishment?
4.What would it do to help our society?
5.And, if you had too, could you write a college level paper on why Santa should be banned?(as in 5 to ten pages.)As much more urgent issues can be written on because they have more evidence as to why they have hurt society.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Fri Dec 04, 2015 2:35 pm

Valystria wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Where?

Halloween doesn't have its own character.

Easter is too small.

Back to School sales are falling.

Valentines day is too exclusive.

And every other holiday is too small.

Killing off Santa will have a devastating effect on the economy.

Why would it be devastating? Christmas would remain. Christmas shopping would remain. The only difference is there wouldn't be a Santa.


Think of all the movies, the music, the decorations, the glasses, the mugs, the shirts that has Santa on them.

Think about the cookies and the milk that kids put under the tree.

That milk comes from farmers.

The cookies come from Pillsbury.

Republic of Canador wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Where?

Halloween doesn't have its own character.

Ahem. Some of us still wait in our pumpkin patches waiting for the Great Pumpkin.


:lol:

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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Fri Dec 04, 2015 2:36 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:Alright, which of you was it?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35009259

RIP Santa, this surely will be a blue Christmas. :p
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Postby The Alma Mater » Fri Dec 04, 2015 2:36 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:Alright, which of you was it?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35009259


I blame the Italian Mafia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basilica_di_San_Nicola

Although some claim it was the Irish:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomb_of_Saint_Nicholas
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Postby Immoren » Fri Dec 04, 2015 2:37 pm

Nilla Wayfarers wrote:
Immoren wrote:
Santa is older than Coca-Cola.
Santa is simply newest incarnation of the oden the gift giver.

I'm talking about the heavy-set, rosy-cheeked, ho-ho-ho Santa with the blood-red fur coat and pants.
That's what Coca-Cola did.


That's what anthropomorphic personifications do.
They their outlook according to faith of sentients. Details are irrelevant.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Fri Dec 04, 2015 2:38 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:Alright, which of you was it?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35009259


Impossible!

Everyone knows Santa is Canadian.

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Postby The Alma Mater » Fri Dec 04, 2015 2:39 pm

Nilla Wayfarers wrote:
Immoren wrote:
Santa is older than Coca-Cola.
Santa is simply newest incarnation of the oden the gift giver.

I'm talking about the heavy-set, rosy-cheeked, ho-ho-ho Santa with the blood-red fur coat and pants.
That's what Coca-Cola did.


Nope, that image of Santa predates the Coca Cola campaign by at least 30 years.
Of course, it is true that Coca Cola made it the most popular one.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Fri Dec 04, 2015 2:40 pm

Nilla Wayfarers wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Killing off Santa will have a devastating effect on the economy.


He only exists because the Coca-Cola Company wanted a jolly red old man drinking their products plastered on television and billboards.



Nope.

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Postby Immoren » Fri Dec 04, 2015 2:41 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:Alright, which of you was it?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35009259


Impossible!

Everyone knows Santa is Canadian.


As an anthropomorphic personification all stories about Santa are true.
Even the conflicting ones.
:p
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Postby Nilla Wayfarers » Fri Dec 04, 2015 2:41 pm

The Alma Mater wrote:
Nilla Wayfarers wrote:I'm talking about the heavy-set, rosy-cheeked, ho-ho-ho Santa with the blood-red fur coat and pants.
That's what Coca-Cola did.


Nope, that image of Santa predates the Coca Cola campaign by at least 30 years.
Of course, it is true that Coca Cola made it the most popular one.

Hm. Good to find out. I still blame the company that drugged their drinks :p
By the way, I don't honestly want to get rid of Santa... I didn't find it very inspiring.
Can anyone explain why exactly he's so horrible?
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Postby Immoren » Fri Dec 04, 2015 2:43 pm

Nilla Wayfarers wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:
Nope, that image of Santa predates the Coca Cola campaign by at least 30 years.
Of course, it is true that Coca Cola made it the most popular one.

Hm. Good to find out. I still blame the company that drugged their drinks :p
By the way, I don't honestly want to get rid of Santa... I didn't find it very inspiring.
Can anyone explain why exactly he's so horrible?


I don't know why roundworld equivalent of the hogfather would be horrible.
:p
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Postby Gim » Fri Dec 04, 2015 4:07 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:Alright, which of you was it?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35009259


Impossible!

Everyone knows Santa is Canadian.


Hence his wearing of red attire, which matches the color of the Canadian flag. :p
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Postby Hurdegaryp » Fri Dec 04, 2015 7:14 pm

Immoren wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Impossible!

Everyone knows Santa is Canadian.

As an anthropomorphic personification all stories about Santa are true.
Even the conflicting ones.
:p

Since that principle works perfectly fine for organized religion, it is hard to disagree with that logic.
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Postby Personal Freedom » Fri Dec 04, 2015 7:23 pm

Hurdegaryp wrote:
Immoren wrote:As an anthropomorphic personification all stories about Santa are true.
Even the conflicting ones.
:p

Since that principle works perfectly fine for organized religion, it is hard to disagree with that logic.

What about female Santa type characters?
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Postby Kannap » Fri Dec 04, 2015 7:33 pm

Gim wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Impossible!

Everyone knows Santa is Canadian.


Hence his wearing of red attire, which matches the color of the Canadian flag. :p


He actually stole one of the stripes from the original American flag to make his suit. Obviously.
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Postby Personal Freedom » Fri Dec 04, 2015 7:34 pm

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Hence his wearing of red attire, which matches the color of the Canadian flag. :p


He actually stole one of the stripes from the original American flag to make his suit. Obviously.

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Personal Freedom wrote:
Hurdegaryp wrote:Since that principle works perfectly fine for organized religion, it is hard to disagree with that logic.

What about female Santa type characters?


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He actually stole one of the stripes from the original American flag to make his suit. Obviously.

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The more you know.
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