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by Immoren » Thu Dec 03, 2015 10:23 pm
discoursedrome wrote:everyone knows that quote, "I know not what weapons World War Three will be fought, but World War Four will be fought with sticks and stones," but in a way it's optimistic and inspiring because it suggests that even after destroying civilization and returning to the stone age we'll still be sufficiently globalized and bellicose to have another world war right then and there
by San Lumen » Thu Dec 03, 2015 10:54 pm
by Galloism » Thu Dec 03, 2015 10:54 pm
San Lumen wrote:Should we ban Krampus too and all other fairy tale characters and fairy tales and ban disney films and shut down Disney World too? Kids should be only told truth and not allowed to have any imagination and no fantasy shall be allowed anymore. Are you people serious?
by San Lumen » Thu Dec 03, 2015 10:55 pm
Galloism wrote:San Lumen wrote:Should we ban Krampus too and all other fairy tale characters and fairy tales and ban disney films and shut down Disney World too? Kids should be only told truth and not allowed to have any imagination and no fantasy shall be allowed anymore. Are you people serious?
I ask that question a lot.
by Galloism » Thu Dec 03, 2015 10:59 pm
by Finland SSR » Thu Dec 03, 2015 11:00 pm
by Olthar » Thu Dec 03, 2015 11:11 pm
by The Alma Mater » Thu Dec 03, 2015 11:14 pm
Olthar wrote:It teaches kids that you can't trust anyone, not even your own parents. In this world, all you have is yourself. Forming relationships is an exploitable weakness. It teaches kids to be emotionally aloof and hermetic loners. If we don't ban Santa, our kids will all grow up to be grim and cynical anti-hero action stars. Civilization as we know it will utterly collapse and bring rise to a new society of roving wasteland wanderers. Do you really want that?
by Korhal IVV » Fri Dec 04, 2015 12:00 am
Settrah wrote:The Alma Mater wrote:Is there a reason people should not be able to think of more than one thing at a time ? I see no problem with caring both about Daesh and children being lied to
Children are lied to by parents all the time. Where babies come from, where pets go after they die, why grandparents never visit anymore. What's so necessary about Santa as a fictional character needing to be a scapegoat that makes it a 'pressing issue'?
by Torisakia » Fri Dec 04, 2015 1:29 am
Olthar wrote:It teaches kids that you can't trust anyone, not even your own parents. In this world, all you have is yourself. Forming relationships is an exploitable weakness. It teaches kids to be emotionally aloof and hermetic loners. If we don't ban Santa, our kids will all grow up to be grim and cynical anti-hero action stars. Civilization as we know it will utterly collapse and bring rise to a new society of roving wasteland wanderers. Do you really want that?
by Korhal IVV » Fri Dec 04, 2015 1:30 am
Olthar wrote:It teaches kids that you can't trust anyone, not even your own parents. In this world, all you have is yourself. Forming relationships is an exploitable weakness. It teaches kids to be emotionally aloof and hermetic loners. If we don't ban Santa, our kids will all grow up to be grim and cynical anti-hero action stars. Civilization as we know it will utterly collapse and bring rise to a new society of roving wasteland wanderers. Do you really want that?
by Hurdegaryp » Fri Dec 04, 2015 6:21 am
Torisakia wrote:Olthar wrote:It teaches kids that you can't trust anyone, not even your own parents. In this world, all you have is yourself. Forming relationships is an exploitable weakness. It teaches kids to be emotionally aloof and hermetic loners. If we don't ban Santa, our kids will all grow up to be grim and cynical anti-hero action stars. Civilization as we know it will utterly collapse and bring rise to a new society of roving wasteland wanderers. Do you really want that?
Former believer in Santa who grew up to be grim and a cynical anti-hero action star. Can confirm.
CVT Temp wrote:I mean, we can actually create a mathematical definition for evolution in terms of the evolutionary algorithm and then write code to deal with abstract instances of evolution, which basically equates to mathematical proof that evolution works. All that remains is to show that biological systems replicate in such a way as to satisfy the minimal criteria required for evolution to apply to them, something which has already been adequately shown time and again. At this point, we've pretty much proven that not only can evolution happen, it pretty much must happen since it's basically impossible to prevent it from happening.
by Pohan-Vor » Fri Dec 04, 2015 6:40 am
The Alma Mater wrote:Olthar wrote:It teaches kids that you can't trust anyone, not even your own parents. In this world, all you have is yourself. Forming relationships is an exploitable weakness. It teaches kids to be emotionally aloof and hermetic loners. If we don't ban Santa, our kids will all grow up to be grim and cynical anti-hero action stars. Civilization as we know it will utterly collapse and bring rise to a new society of roving wasteland wanderers. Do you really want that?
Witness Me - SHINY AND CHROME.
by The Great state of Atlantis » Fri Dec 04, 2015 6:43 am
by Pohan-Vor » Fri Dec 04, 2015 6:49 am
by Hurdegaryp » Fri Dec 04, 2015 6:51 am
Pohan-Vor wrote:Kannap wrote:It is also possible to disallow all avenues for creativity and imagination, let's do that.
i learned at an early age that Santa wasn't real (had fights with other kids pending his current existence). I'm still imaginative and like sci-fi and fantasy.
Depends on the child really, you can't group everyone under one umbrella with something like this.
CVT Temp wrote:I mean, we can actually create a mathematical definition for evolution in terms of the evolutionary algorithm and then write code to deal with abstract instances of evolution, which basically equates to mathematical proof that evolution works. All that remains is to show that biological systems replicate in such a way as to satisfy the minimal criteria required for evolution to apply to them, something which has already been adequately shown time and again. At this point, we've pretty much proven that not only can evolution happen, it pretty much must happen since it's basically impossible to prevent it from happening.
by Pohan-Vor » Fri Dec 04, 2015 6:52 am
by The Great state of Atlantis » Fri Dec 04, 2015 6:58 am
by Immoren » Fri Dec 04, 2015 7:03 am
Hurdegaryp wrote:Pohan-Vor wrote:i learned at an early age that Santa wasn't real (had fights with other kids pending his current existence). I'm still imaginative and like sci-fi and fantasy.
Depends on the child really, you can't group everyone under one umbrella with something like this.
A message for the OP and everyone who agrees with the OP: Father Christmas is coming, and you are on his list.
discoursedrome wrote:everyone knows that quote, "I know not what weapons World War Three will be fought, but World War Four will be fought with sticks and stones," but in a way it's optimistic and inspiring because it suggests that even after destroying civilization and returning to the stone age we'll still be sufficiently globalized and bellicose to have another world war right then and there
by Hurdegaryp » Fri Dec 04, 2015 7:05 am
CVT Temp wrote:I mean, we can actually create a mathematical definition for evolution in terms of the evolutionary algorithm and then write code to deal with abstract instances of evolution, which basically equates to mathematical proof that evolution works. All that remains is to show that biological systems replicate in such a way as to satisfy the minimal criteria required for evolution to apply to them, something which has already been adequately shown time and again. At this point, we've pretty much proven that not only can evolution happen, it pretty much must happen since it's basically impossible to prevent it from happening.
by Jetan » Fri Dec 04, 2015 7:38 am
Valystria wrote:The cultural custom of Santa Claus is unethical and counterproductive to the greater good. It is not only wrong to teach children to believe in the existence of a fictional character, it sets up an unhealthy mindset lacking in skepticism. But more concerningly, an immoral and criminal character is being glorified as a benevolent figure of goodness. A character who spies on people without their knowledge or consent (stalking), a character who breaks into people's houses (breaking and entering).
Some may handwave this criminal behaviour away by saying Santa gives gifts. But it's a cruel lie. A cruel lie that normalizes the act of parents lying to their own children. Surely it would be more healthy for children to be aware of having recieved gifts from their parents than to be told it came from a stalker with a habit of breaking into people's houses at night. This cultural custom skews the moral compass of children by teaching them to be good for the sake of a reward, normalizes lying, promotes an unhealthy mindset detached from fact-checking, and glorifies an individual who would be despised if anyone else were to partake in those criminal actions like stalking and breaking and entering.
We can celebrate the holidays without Santa in it. The cultural practice of Santa Claus should be done away with, perhaps going so far as a ban if that's what it takes. Thoughts?
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