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Postby Hurdegaryp » Thu Dec 03, 2015 4:10 pm

Amethystlands wrote:Why are there 42 pages of conversation...on this? :unsure:

You have been around here for almost a year now. Clearly the answer to your question should be obvious by now.
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Postby Valystria » Thu Dec 03, 2015 4:17 pm

Amethystlands wrote:Why are there 42 pages of conversation...on this? :unsure:

It's a serious issue.

The Great state of Atlantis wrote:Hey, here's an idea: just throw in the old yulefest back in there. Although now that I think of it, the original author could perhaps have had a better ploy if he would have written an essay about the commercialism/mercantilism which has flooded the U.S. nationwide to an extent which can no longer to be considered fun anymore. Whereby people are sinking into depts further and further anually, as they're still paying for the debts they incurred from buying Christmas presents during the previous season. I for myself detest Christmas and all the hollowness it has come to represent. However, underneath tons and tons of commercials and the accompanying guilt they try force upon me, it just glances off, as it's merely a matter of how you deal with things. Me? I just bake a cake for my parents and my wife and I cook up something special in the kitchen. Afterwards, the two of us just jump in the sack for some really good xxx and leave christmas as it is. Just my two cents. As for the rest: let everyone celebrate (or not) in the way they choose. Banning things on whichever ground creates a misguided protectionist mentality.

The OP's concern is not with consumerism, but with the unethical behaviors surrounding a cultural practice she would prefer to see abolished.

Marxist Nations wrote:Valystria and Infected Mushrooms same difference. I can't take you people seriously. Like did you guys have a bad experience with Saint Nick when you were young? Like did he scare you or something? My GOD people!!! There are a lot of problems in this world, and we're here talking about Santa being "immoral" and needs to be banned? ISIS, income inequality, health reform, gun control, and dumbass foreign policy decisions take a seat cause we gotta ban Santa! Get a fucking life!!! Damn people.

One doesn't need to have a bad experience with something to recognize that it's a problematic cultural practice.

Settrah wrote:I do find it a little ironic that someone in favour of destroying children's innocence, is displaying one of the most naive attitudes.

Banning Santa doesn't destroy children's innocence.

Vashtanaraada wrote:Should be stopped but a full ban's as stupid as the notion of Santa Claus itself.

How would you stop it without a ban?

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The claims have been sourced and supported properly. You happen to disagree with the premise but can't back your own position so you resort to petty insults and conspiracy theories against your opponent.

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Classy. Saying someone you disagree with doesn't have any intelligence. And yet you and your cohorts are the ones accusing your opponent of not debating properly.

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Postby Vashtanaraada » Thu Dec 03, 2015 4:20 pm

Valystria, you could stop it through phasing it out, or encourage parents not to do it idk
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Thu Dec 03, 2015 4:20 pm

Amethystlands wrote:Why are there 42 pages of conversation...on this? :unsure:


This is a pressing issue. The Santa Claus method is a widespread and deleterious social practice.

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Postby Valystria » Thu Dec 03, 2015 4:23 pm

Vashtanaraada wrote:Valystria, you could stop it through phasing it out, or encourage parents not to do it idk

Phasing it out would simply take too long at ending something that should already be done away with. Encouraging parents not to do it may result in some or perhaps many ceasing to partake in it, but I suspect the vast majority would persist. There aren't many options other than bans and enacting anti-Santa regulations.

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Postby Settrah » Thu Dec 03, 2015 4:29 pm

You see, now when someone says problematic cultural practice, I just don't envision a metaphor or icon for being jolly and festive with family and friends at the end of a hard working year as that.

But clearly the systematic abuse has been so programmed into my schema from birth, it affects my perception and judgement. Or something like that, i'unno.
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Postby Vashtanaraada » Thu Dec 03, 2015 4:31 pm

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Vashtanaraada wrote:Valystria, you could stop it through phasing it out, or encourage parents not to do it idk

Phasing it out would simply take too long at ending something that should already be done away with. Encouraging parents not to do it may result in some or perhaps many ceasing to partake in it, but I suspect the vast majority would persist. There aren't many options other than bans and enacting anti-Santa regulations.


I think you take this issue way too seriously.
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Postby Eastern Equestria » Thu Dec 03, 2015 4:32 pm

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Amethystlands wrote:Why are there 42 pages of conversation...on this? :unsure:


This is a pressing issue. The Santa Claus method is a widespread and deleterious social practice.


I've been reading through this thread for a while now, and I haven't seen any evidence that it's "deleterious".

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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Thu Dec 03, 2015 4:38 pm

Valystria wrote:
Amethystlands wrote:Why are there 42 pages of conversation...on this? :unsure:

It's a serious issue.


Yes it is.

A discussion on whether or not a fictional character that brings joy to children should be banned.

Really an important discussion.

Really.

Really really. [/sarcasm]
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The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Valystria wrote:It's a serious issue.

Yes it is.

A discussion on whether or not a fictional character that brings joy to children should be banned.

Really an important discussion.

Really.

Really really. [/sarcasm]

We wouldn't dedicate so many expensive internet forum thread pages to it if it wasn't.
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Postby Personal Freedom » Thu Dec 03, 2015 4:43 pm

This is called fascism.
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Postby Ultralight » Thu Dec 03, 2015 4:43 pm

this is the most idiotic thing I've ever herd it's teaching children to be jolly and happy and you truly think Santana going to make kids develop a criminal mind that's really idiotic your saying songs about a fat jolly guy is ruining Christmas I think you need to learn what culture means because he is the culture of crismas he gives them a sense of wonder if your going to ban Santa might as well take out the Easter bunny and all the other holiday icons too! Because every kid eventually figured out he's not real Santa helps kids be good besides naughty and nice he's getting kids to be good! Parents don't wanna walk up to there kids and say hey if your not good I'm not going to give you presents so that's why this idea of banning Santa is silly and idiotic learn to have the holiday spirit jeez.

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Postby Hurdegaryp » Thu Dec 03, 2015 4:45 pm

Personal Freedom wrote:This is called fascism.

The OP probably prefers "bringing rigid discipline back to Christmas" or something else that sounds more marketable.
CVT Temp wrote:I mean, we can actually create a mathematical definition for evolution in terms of the evolutionary algorithm and then write code to deal with abstract instances of evolution, which basically equates to mathematical proof that evolution works. All that remains is to show that biological systems replicate in such a way as to satisfy the minimal criteria required for evolution to apply to them, something which has already been adequately shown time and again. At this point, we've pretty much proven that not only can evolution happen, it pretty much must happen since it's basically impossible to prevent it from happening.

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Ultralight wrote:this is the most idiotic thing I've ever herd it's teaching children to be jolly and happy and you truly think Santana going to make kids develop a criminal mind that's really idiotic your saying songs about a fat jolly guy is ruining Christmas I think you need to learn what culture means because he is the culture of crismas he gives them a sense of wonder if your going to ban Santa might as well take out the Easter bunny and all the other holiday icons too! Because every kid eventually figured out he's not real Santa helps kids be good besides naughty and nice he's getting kids to be good! Parents don't wanna walk up to there kids and say hey if your not good I'm not going to give you presents so that's why this idea of banning Santa is silly and idiotic learn to have the holiday spirit jeez.

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Postby San Lumen » Thu Dec 03, 2015 7:06 pm

Anyone agreeing with the OP is crazy. Should we ban Krampus, Easter Bunny, and all other fairy tales as well? Should we ban shows like Grimm? After all children or adults might think those Grimm fairy tales are real

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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Thu Dec 03, 2015 7:10 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Amethystlands wrote:Why are there 42 pages of conversation...on this? :unsure:


This is a pressing issue. The Santa Claus method is a widespread and deleterious social practice.

I don't think the belief in Santa Claus has destroyed any lives, so it must not be a very pressing issue.
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Postby Kannap » Thu Dec 03, 2015 7:31 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Amethystlands wrote:Why are there 42 pages of conversation...on this? :unsure:


This is a pressing issue. The Santa Claus method is a widespread and deleterious social practice.


Of course the Santa Claus method is a widespread practice, it's a great practice and has been spread because of its success. As for your concerns about the method being deleterious, feel free to provide evidence of this claim.
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Postby Torisakia » Thu Dec 03, 2015 7:41 pm

You mean...Santa isn't real? ;_;

If we're going to ban Santa, we might as well ban all other holiday figures. The Easter Bunny, Uncle Sam, and all those Halloween monsters.
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Postby Calimama » Thu Dec 03, 2015 7:58 pm

Torisakia wrote:You mean...Santa isn't real? ;_;

If we're going to ban Santa, we might as well ban all other holiday figures. The Easter Bunny, Uncle Sam, and all those Halloween monsters.

And Jack Frost, Saint Patrick, Cupid, Baby New Year, Great Pumpkin, Father Time...and god-forbid General Beauregard Lee.
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Postby Gim » Thu Dec 03, 2015 8:46 pm

Torisakia wrote:You mean...Santa isn't real? ;_;

If we're going to ban Santa, we might as well ban all other holiday figures. The Easter Bunny, Uncle Sam, and all those Halloween monsters.


Exactly. What is the point of having one but not the other?
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Ultralight wrote:this is the most idiotic thing I've ever herd it's teaching children to be jolly and happy and you truly think Santana going to make kids develop a criminal mind that's really idiotic your saying songs about a fat jolly guy is ruining Christmas I think you need to learn what culture means because he is the culture of crismas he gives them a sense of wonder if your going to ban Santa might as well take out the Easter bunny and all the other holiday icons too! Because every kid eventually figured out he's not real Santa helps kids be good besides naughty and nice he's getting kids to be good! Parents don't wanna walk up to there kids and say hey if your not good I'm not going to give you presents so that's why this idea of banning Santa is silly and idiotic learn to have the holiday spirit jeez.

Originally, Christmas is the celebration of the birth of Jesus in the Earth. Many things were added to Christmas after that.

Also, to OP, saying Santa is fake while Saint Nicholas is real is llolll
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Ultralight wrote:this is the most idiotic thing I've ever herd it's teaching children to be jolly and happy and you truly think Santana going to make kids develop a criminal mind that's really idiotic your saying songs about a fat jolly guy is ruining Christmas I think you need to learn what culture means because he is the culture of crismas he gives them a sense of wonder if your going to ban Santa might as well take out the Easter bunny and all the other holiday icons too! Because every kid eventually figured out he's not real Santa helps kids be good besides naughty and nice he's getting kids to be good! Parents don't wanna walk up to there kids and say hey if your not good I'm not going to give you presents so that's why this idea of banning Santa is silly and idiotic learn to have the holiday spirit jeez.

Originally, Christmas is the celebration of the birth of Jesus in the Earth. Many things were added to Christmas after that.


Originally, Christmas was the celebration of the passing of the winter solstice. Elements like Santa (albeit in a different form) originate from back then.Jesus was a later addition.
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Postby Korhal IVV » Thu Dec 03, 2015 9:36 pm

The Alma Mater wrote:
Korhal IVV wrote:Originally, Christmas is the celebration of the birth of Jesus in the Earth. Many things were added to Christmas after that.


Originally, Christmas was the celebration of the passing of the winter solstice. Elements like Santa (albeit in a different form) originate from back then.Jesus was a later addition.

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Postby Gim » Thu Dec 03, 2015 9:37 pm

Korhal IVV wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:
Originally, Christmas was the celebration of the passing of the winter solstice. Elements like Santa (albeit in a different form) originate from back then.Jesus was a later addition.

"Christ" mas. Lel


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Says all right here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas
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