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Postby Valystria » Tue Dec 01, 2015 5:05 pm

The cultural custom of Santa Claus is unethical and counterproductive to the greater good. It is not only wrong to teach children to believe in the existence of a fictional character, it sets up an unhealthy mindset lacking in skepticism. But more concerningly, an immoral and criminal character is being glorified as a benevolent figure of goodness. A character who spies on people without their knowledge or consent (stalking), a character who breaks into people's houses (breaking and entering).

Some may handwave this criminal behaviour away by saying Santa gives gifts. But it's a cruel lie. A cruel lie that normalizes the act of parents lying to their own children. Surely it would be more healthy for children to be aware of having recieved gifts from their parents than to be told it came from a stalker with a habit of breaking into people's houses at night. This cultural custom skews the moral compass of children by teaching them to be good for the sake of a reward, normalizes lying, promotes an unhealthy mindset detached from fact-checking, and glorifies an individual who would be despised if anyone else were to partake in those criminal actions like stalking and breaking and entering.

We can celebrate the holidays without Santa in it. The cultural practice of Santa Claus should be done away with, perhaps going so far as a ban if that's what it takes. Thoughts?

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Tue Dec 01, 2015 5:07 pm

Don't support a ban, do support scrapping the whole lying to children thing.
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Postby Valystria » Tue Dec 01, 2015 5:08 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:Don't support a ban, do support scrapping the whole lying to children thing.

How do you propose getting people to drop Santa from their holidays by merely being asked to?

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Postby Italios » Tue Dec 01, 2015 5:08 pm

I bet you're fun at Christmas parties.

Seriously? It's not like people actually believe in Father Christmas past an early age. Besides, who'll hand out the presents instead? Mom and dad?
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Postby Val Halla » Tue Dec 01, 2015 5:09 pm

I dunno. I think it's important for kids to have a sense of wonderment.
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Postby Bezkoshtovnya » Tue Dec 01, 2015 5:10 pm

Really do not see an issue with allowing children to believe in Santa Claus. Not aware of anyone who doesn't naturally just grow out of such childish beliefs by a certain age anyway.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Tue Dec 01, 2015 5:10 pm

Why? It's something to help teach kids morality, like the boogeyman. Only instead of horrors for being bad, you don't get presents. It's pretty innocent as far as these things go
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More like Mushroom infected someone.
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Postby Galloism » Tue Dec 01, 2015 5:11 pm

I dunno about banning Santa, but long around this time every year I get really on board with the idea of banning Christmas music.
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More like Mushroom infected someone.


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Postby Infected Mushroom » Tue Dec 01, 2015 5:11 pm

I agree with the policy. Telling your kids that Santa exists when you know he doesn't is a misrepresentation. Its unethical. It ought to be disallowed.

Furthermore, Santa is not a positive role model.

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Tue Dec 01, 2015 5:11 pm

Valystria wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:Don't support a ban, do support scrapping the whole lying to children thing.

How do you propose getting people to drop Santa from their holidays by merely being asked to?


Social pressure. Just point out all you did in the OP and more, point out all the ways this encourages magical thinking and such, the heartbreak of the child when they discover the truth, etc, as well as that it encourages good acts in exchange for tangible rewards instead of good acts out of empathy and such with the whole presents for being good shtick.

Just keep pointing out that it may well have adverse effects and needlessly screws around with someones perception of reality and how they interact with it during formative years.

If that fails, teach it in schools for a generation during a quick
"By the way kids, santa isn't real, your parents lied to you" introduction and they'll stop lying about it. Though even that may be too hardline.

Mostly, the Santa bullshit is symptomatic rather than a cause in itself. It's symptomatic of parents not properly valueing an empirical mindset, objective reality and such, and not imparting those core values to children. So you'd need to reform education.
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Postby Valystria » Tue Dec 01, 2015 5:12 pm

Italios wrote:I bet you're fun at Christmas parties.

Seriously? It's not like people actually believe in Father Christmas past an early age. Besides, who'll hand out the presents instead? Mom and dad?

There would be nothing wrong with the presents coming from the parents. That's where the presents come from on other occasions like birthdays.

Val Halla wrote:I dunno. I think it's important for kids to have a sense of wonderment.

I don't see how there is a sense of wonderment from something that they find out was a lie the entire time. If anything it inevitably dampens the holiday spirit.

Galloism wrote:I dunno about banning Santa, but long around this time every year I get really on board with the idea of banning Christmas music.

I often feel that way too. I would be open to cultural controls being in place against Christmas music. It could be put up to a referendum.

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Tue Dec 01, 2015 5:13 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:Why? It's something to help teach kids morality, like the boogeyman. Only instead of horrors for being bad, you don't get presents. It's pretty innocent as far as these things go


that's a pretty terrible way to teach morality though.
Downright counterproductive.
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Postby The Alexanderians » Tue Dec 01, 2015 5:13 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:Did Infected Mushroom forget to switch accounts?

I saw "X should be banned" and immediately expected to see Infected Mushrooms as OP. Though even if OP isn't a puppet they're very chummy with IM. So *shrugs* meh.
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Dec 01, 2015 5:13 pm

Yes, let's ban something perfectly harmless because reasons.
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Tue Dec 01, 2015 5:14 pm

Yes, heaven fucking forbid we let kids have a sense of wonderment and allow them to use their imagination.

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Postby Linnuis » Tue Dec 01, 2015 5:14 pm

Who else has noticed that Santa is an anagram of Satan? And he dresses in red and always obscures his face. I say we ban him!
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Postby Val Halla » Tue Dec 01, 2015 5:14 pm

Galloism wrote:I dunno about banning Santa, but long around this time every year I get really on board with the idea of banning Christmas music.

This song topped the British Christmas charts in 2009
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Tue Dec 01, 2015 5:14 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Why? It's something to help teach kids morality, like the boogeyman. Only instead of horrors for being bad, you don't get presents. It's pretty innocent as far as these things go


that's a pretty terrible way to teach morality though.
Downright counterproductive.

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The Alexanderians wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:Did Infected Mushroom forget to switch accounts?

I saw "X should be banned" and immediately expected to see Infected Mushrooms as OP. Though even if OP isn't a puppet they're very chummy with IM. So *shrugs* meh.


I think that we have entered the retarded cycle way too early. And the holiday break isn't even here!
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The Alexanderians wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:Did Infected Mushroom forget to switch accounts?

I saw "X should be banned" and immediately expected to see Infected Mushrooms as OP. Though even if OP isn't a puppet they're very chummy with IM. So *shrugs* meh.


They're not a puppet and neither am I. We are all three separate individuals. Me and Val were discussing proving it at some point to put an end to these posts.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Tue Dec 01, 2015 5:14 pm

Paddy O Fernature wrote:Yes, heaven fucking forbid we let kids have a sense of wonderment and allow them to use their imagination.

:roll:


these things can exist without lying involved

to say otherwise is an insult to the creativity and imagination of children

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Postby Wallenburg » Tue Dec 01, 2015 5:15 pm

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