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Postby Infected Mushroom » Fri Nov 27, 2015 1:08 am

Wallenburg wrote:
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the definition says the system has a dictator who is ''mostly benevolent'' so its definitionally guaranteed

You are using NationStates as an educational source? :eyebrow:


someone else brought up the Father Knows Best State concept and as far as I know, its a purely NS concept

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Postby Wallenburg » Fri Nov 27, 2015 1:10 am

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This is an infringement on people's rights to privacy and an example of unneeded bureaucracy.

Whats to fear when you did nothing wrong

In that case, I'd like to have access to all your personal information, including passwords to devices and online accounts, your phone number and home address, your credit card information, and your social security number. What's to fear if you have done nothing wrong?

EDIT: I shall also need a duplicate set of keys for your home and--if you have one--car. Can't be too careful in protecting against crime!
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Postby Kraylandia » Fri Nov 27, 2015 1:11 am

Wallenburg wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
the definition says the system has a dictator who is ''mostly benevolent'' so its definitionally guaranteed

You are using NationStates as an educational source? :eyebrow:


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Postby Immoren » Fri Nov 27, 2015 1:16 am

Wallenburg wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
the definition says the system has a dictator who is ''mostly benevolent'' so its definitionally guaranteed

You are using NationStates as an educational source? :eyebrow:


You can't swear on RMBs, because of that. *nods*
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Postby Bill Cosby Island » Fri Nov 27, 2015 1:18 am

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Opeleope wrote:I second this.


Please explain.

"oi bro, drunk as fuck rn, can you blow in my car's breathalyser so I can drive back home? Thanks"
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Fri Nov 27, 2015 1:24 am

Bill Cosby Island wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
Please explain.

"oi bro, drunk as fuck rn, can you blow in my car's breathalyser so I can drive back home? Thanks"


that could conceivably happen, it would be a felony though

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Postby Bill Cosby Island » Fri Nov 27, 2015 1:26 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Bill Cosby Island wrote:"oi bro, drunk as fuck rn, can you blow in my car's breathalyser so I can drive back home? Thanks"


that could conceivably happen, it would be a felony though

Well, when it conceivably happens and you get run down by the same idiots your system held down everyone else to stop, what are you going to say?

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Postby Immoren » Fri Nov 27, 2015 1:27 am

Those whom advocated self-driving cars, but were against tracking...
...Ought self-driving cars communicate and/or track telemetry of nearby other self-driving cars, so they can better prepare for road conditions?
:p
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Postby Dakini » Fri Nov 27, 2015 1:34 am

Immoren wrote:Those whom advocated self-driving cars, but were against tracking...
...Ought self-driving cars communicate and/or track telemetry of nearby other self-driving cars, so they can better prepare for road conditions?
:p

I think self-driving cars would be opt-in.

If you're the sort of person who has to drive to work, but wants to be able to go out to drink with your friends after...

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Postby Oil exporting People » Fri Nov 27, 2015 1:56 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:A Father Knows Best State is a good thing to have


Either this is the most devout rendition of Poe's Law I've ever seen, or they really are putting LSD in the water supply.

Infected Mushroom wrote:I'm confused. You were the one who suggested we try to emulate the novel's political system.


Yeah, let's skip all of the filler and get right to the boot smashing down on Humanity's face. Forever.

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It's honestly threads likes this in conjunction with recent RL events over the last few months that have made me into a fatalistic cynic. I fundamentally support his right to express his opinions, but damn son, it's still terrifying to think he might actually be serious.
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Postby Immoren » Fri Nov 27, 2015 2:10 am

Dakini wrote:
Immoren wrote:Those whom advocated self-driving cars, but were against tracking...
...Ought self-driving cars communicate and/or track telemetry of nearby other self-driving cars, so they can better prepare for road conditions?
:p

I think self-driving cars would be opt-in.

If you're the sort of person who has to drive to work, but wants to be able to go out to drink with your friends after...


I'm not taking opinioin on whether they should be opt in or no.
Just on the thing that should self-driving cars rely only on their own sensory data only, or should all self-driving cars communicate their location, or at least conditions they are driving and they've driven through, so other cars could better predict bad road conditions and/or traffic?
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Postby Zachary Nichols » Fri Nov 27, 2015 2:25 am

Cuh.

Why not just take the bus or train, no need to pay thousands of dollars a year for fuel. And no, tracking cars would be stupid.

Unless this is what you were talking about.

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Postby Kraylandia » Fri Nov 27, 2015 2:28 am

Zachary Nichols wrote:Why not just take the bus or train, no need to pay thousands of dollars a year for fuel.


Because not everyone likes public transport, and if everyone started using it then it would become a bit crowded, would it not? Cars are much, much better.
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Postby Zachary Nichols » Fri Nov 27, 2015 2:29 am

Kraylandia wrote:
Zachary Nichols wrote:Why not just take the bus or train, no need to pay thousands of dollars a year for fuel.


Because not everyone likes public transport, and if everyone started using it then it would become a bit crowded, would it not? Cars are much, much better.

(Devil's advocate)
Replace 50 cars with a bus. Remove access roads, pave it with tracks and done.

Also,
http://blogs.r.ftdata.co.uk/photo-diary ... H-HOUR.jpg

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Postby Kraylandia » Fri Nov 27, 2015 2:41 am

Zachary Nichols wrote:
Kraylandia wrote:
Because not everyone likes public transport, and if everyone started using it then it would become a bit crowded, would it not? Cars are much, much better.

(Devil's advocate)
Replace 50 cars with a bus. Remove access roads, pave it with tracks and done.

Also,
http://blogs.r.ftdata.co.uk/photo-diary ... H-HOUR.jpg


I unfortunately have to use buses sometimes, but no thanks. I'll stick to travelling by car whenever I can.
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Postby Zachary Nichols » Fri Nov 27, 2015 2:44 am

Kraylandia wrote:
Zachary Nichols wrote:(Devil's advocate)
Replace 50 cars with a bus. Remove access roads, pave it with tracks and done.

Also,
http://blogs.r.ftdata.co.uk/photo-diary ... H-HOUR.jpg


I unfortunately have to use buses sometimes, but no thanks. I'll stick to travelling by car whenever I can.

What's so bad about public transport, other than that one shady guy with a beard in the corner with a relatively heavy bag and thick jacket that you see once in a while.

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Postby Vassenor » Fri Nov 27, 2015 2:57 am

Zachary Nichols wrote:
Kraylandia wrote:
I unfortunately have to use buses sometimes, but no thanks. I'll stick to travelling by car whenever I can.

What's so bad about public transport, other than that one shady guy with a beard in the corner with a relatively heavy bag and thick jacket that you see once in a while.


It's been established multiple times that not everyone has access to a mass transit system, and there are times when it is not suitable for the task at hand. I mean have you ever tried getting a flat-pack bookcase on to a subway train?
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Postby Uawc » Fri Nov 27, 2015 5:18 am

The Republic of American Freedom wrote:
UAWC wrote:I'm in favor of making cars obsolete entirely via the implementation of highly extensive and very subsidized public transit. It's safer for everyone, better for everyone and would create many jobs.

I strongly disagree with any amount of authoritarianism.

That is never going to happen. I refuse to ride overcrowded subways and buses.

I think you're wildly misunderstanding my post.

I never suggested banning cars. What I did suggest is that public transit become advanced to the point where cars become very unnecessary. This means less crowding, more comfort and more convenience. It also would mean less cars on the road (as well as less buses, as an advanced public transportation system would rely more heavily on train systems).

Legalize & tax pot, cut the military budget & you've already got a good chunk of the money needed to do it.
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Postby Luziyca » Fri Nov 27, 2015 6:12 am

Trollgaard wrote:
Luziyca wrote:No. I'd rather that we outlaw all non-self-driving cars than implement this policy.



...what? Never! You can pry my steering wheel from my col, dead hands!

Even if IM's policy gets implemented?
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Postby Vassenor » Fri Nov 27, 2015 6:13 am

Actually, why don't we go all out? Why don't we fit every single person with a subcutaneous tracking implant that monitors their exact position 24/7, tracks their BAC and other intoxicant and alerts the police if they go within twenty feet of heavy machinery?

After all, when you're in public the government has the right to know everywhere you go and everything you do or say.
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Postby Kraylandia » Fri Nov 27, 2015 6:14 am

Vassenor wrote:Actually, why don't we go all out? Why don't we fit every single person with a subcutaneous tracking implant that monitors their exact position 24/7, tracks their BAC and other intoxicant and alerts the police if they go within twenty feet of heavy machinery?


Stop giving IM ideas.
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Postby Vassenor » Fri Nov 27, 2015 6:17 am

Kraylandia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:Actually, why don't we go all out? Why don't we fit every single person with a subcutaneous tracking implant that monitors their exact position 24/7, tracks their BAC and other intoxicant and alerts the police if they go within twenty feet of heavy machinery?


Stop giving IM ideas.


But if they're not interested in the creation of a surveillance state that would give George Orwell nightmares as they've said they aren't why would they go for the idea?
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Postby DARGLED » Fri Nov 27, 2015 6:25 am

No.

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Postby Ifreann » Fri Nov 27, 2015 6:54 am

Dakini wrote:
Immoren wrote:Those whom advocated self-driving cars, but were against tracking...
...Ought self-driving cars communicate and/or track telemetry of nearby other self-driving cars, so they can better prepare for road conditions?
:p

I think self-driving cars would be opt-in.

If you're the sort of person who has to drive to work, but wants to be able to go out to drink with your friends after...

Or before.

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Postby Dakini » Fri Nov 27, 2015 7:06 am

Vassenor wrote:
Zachary Nichols wrote:What's so bad about public transport, other than that one shady guy with a beard in the corner with a relatively heavy bag and thick jacket that you see once in a while.


It's been established multiple times that not everyone has access to a mass transit system, and there are times when it is not suitable for the task at hand. I mean have you ever tried getting a flat-pack bookcase on to a subway train?

It's entirely possible. I know a lot of people who have used the subway or other forms of public transportation to move house.

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