All Cars Should Be Tracked and Locked

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Fuck no.

Why the hell would anyone want government intruding more into people's lives? I don't want a log of every damn place I go in some computer somewhere.

Just no.

you don't really have anything to hide

So why should the government intrude? After all, we have nothing to hide, so the government has no reason to.

[Galloism]

Except, in order to combat secondary blowers, interlocks generally require the driver to blow into the device periodically while driving.

This has led to several accidents via distraction of operating the interlock device(already linked prior).

Which is why it's only used in very limited cases.

Exactly - interlock devices are themselves a hazard to other drivers. In some instances, they may be LESS of a risk than leaving a driver without them.

I'm not convinced that adding an extra hazard to all drivers is a proportional or appropriate reaction to the limited number who are, individually, a greater hazard.

[Galloism]

Fuck no.

Why the hell would anyone want government intruding more into people's lives? I don't want a log of every damn place I go in some computer somewhere.

Just no.

you don't really have anything to hide

besides, the bureaucrats will be overwhelmed with information they'll scarcely have time to peruse over your shopping and work routines; they'll be focusing only on speed limit violations and others whose illegal activities draw attention

You make the presumption that a corrupt bureaucrats first priority is catching speeders.

I have no reason to assume this would be the case.

[Uawc]

I'm in favor of making cars obsolete entirely via the implementation of highly extensive and very subsidized public transit. It's safer for everyone, better for everyone and would create many jobs.

I strongly disagree with any amount of authoritarianism.

[Dakini]

Every year, tens of thousands of people are killed by car accidents largely caused by irresponsible driving. This includes driving under the influence of alcohol and speeding.

http://www.iihs.org/iihs/topics/t/gener ... lity-facts

I propose the following changes:

1. The government mandate that all cars be installed with mandatory tracking devices. This allows the police to monitor the positions of all cars and their speed at any given time. This is to deter speeding and ease the administration of speeding regulation for the public good.

lol, no. It also means that the police and government can spy on everyone at all times.

2. Cars should also have a mandatory auto-lock system that requires a breath-analyzer to unlock and activate. This way, if you are drunk, you can't start the car. The car cannot be started except by a sober party and it is a criminal offence to try to game the system. The policy could save tens of thousands of lives potentially.

It also means that everyone would be getting their family and friends sick when they are not the sole driver on a car. It's also something which could possibly malfunction, causing severe inconvenience to users of cars.

I believe these reforms will go a long way in crime prevention, car accident prevention, and improving general public safety as well as the efficacy of the law enforcement system.

What do you think?

I think that your suggestions are draconian and moronic.

[The Republic of American Freedom]

I'm in favor of making cars obsolete entirely via the implementation of highly extensive and very subsidized public transit. It's safer for everyone, better for everyone and would create many jobs.

I strongly disagree with any amount of authoritarianism.

That is never going to happen. I refuse to ride overcrowded subways and buses.

[Dakini]

I'm in favor of making cars obsolete entirely via the implementation of highly extensive and very subsidized public transit. It's safer for everyone, better for everyone and would create many jobs.

I strongly disagree with any amount of authoritarianism.

Yeah, I can get on board with extensive public transportation. In Tokyo, people can easily go out drinking with their colleagues after work because they take the train there and back. The trains are reasonably priced and efficient, plus they have wide coverage over the city and surrounding metropolitan area (also, employers tend to pay for their employees' train fees).

[Tanzu]

I'm in favor of making cars obsolete entirely via the implementation of highly extensive and very subsidized public transit. It's safer for everyone, better for everyone and would create many jobs.

I strongly disagree with any amount of authoritarianism.

One issues I can think of with this is the expense on the government it could have to set up a reliable public transit in more remote areas.

Edit: Just thought of another issue that what if you go out and buy something big or expensive riding public transit might not work out for ya.

[The Republic of American Freedom]

I'm in favor of making cars obsolete entirely via the implementation of highly extensive and very subsidized public transit. It's safer for everyone, better for everyone and would create many jobs.

I strongly disagree with any amount of authoritarianism.

One issues I can think of with this is the expense on the government it could have to set up a reliable public transit in more remote areas.

This. I don't live in a bustling metropolis, not a village mind you, but a small city with no subway systems.

[Dakini]

I'm in favor of making cars obsolete entirely via the implementation of highly extensive and very subsidized public transit. It's safer for everyone, better for everyone and would create many jobs.

I strongly disagree with any amount of authoritarianism.

That is never going to happen. I refuse to ride overcrowded subways and buses.

And if you want to deal with the expense and frustration of driving your car through rush hour while others sit on a train or bus, quietly reading, catching up on work, browsing the internet on their phones or napping, then that's your prerogative.

[Thermodolia]

Which is why it's only used in very limited cases.

Exactly - interlock devices are themselves a hazard to other drivers. In some instances, they may be LESS of a risk than leaving a driver without them.

I'm not convinced that adding an extra hazard to all drivers is a proportional or appropriate reaction to the limited number who are, individually, a greater hazard.

Agreed

[Dakini]

One issues I can think of with this is the expense on the government it could have to set up a reliable public transit in more remote areas.

This. I don't live in a bustling metropolis, not a village mind you, but a small city with no subway systems.

So not a remote area.

[Washington Resistance Army]

No.

[The Republic of American Freedom]

That is never going to happen. I refuse to ride overcrowded subways and buses.

And if you want to deal with the expense and frustration of driving your car through rush hour while others sit on a train or bus, quietly reading, catching up on work, browsing the internet on their phones or napping, then that's your prerogative.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGke6pnT1d0

[Dakini]

also, I don't know where people are getting the idea that there are enough blackmailer cops for this to be a problem; the police are handpicked for their dedication to justice, honour, and law and order

[Dakini]

And if you want to deal with the expense and frustration of driving your car through rush hour while others sit on a train or bus, quietly reading, catching up on work, browsing the internet on their phones or napping, then that's your prerogative.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGke6pnT1d0

I'm not watching a context-free video.

Actually, I'm not about to watch basically any video unless you can assure me that it will be funny.

[Washington Resistance Army]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGke6pnT1d0

I'm not watching a context-free video.

Actually, I'm not about to watch basically any video unless you can assure me that it will be funny.

Maybe you would have gotten the context if you had actually clicked the link

[Arkinesia]

NO

Yeah seriously I can't possibly detail to you the levels of no this brings me to, both as a motoring enthusiast and a personal liberty enthusiast.

[Thermodolia]

Fuck no.

Why the hell would anyone want government intruding more into people's lives? I don't want a log of every damn place I go in some computer somewhere.

Just no.

you don't really have anything to hide

besides, the bureaucrats will be overwhelmed with information they'll scarcely have time to peruse over your shopping and work routines; they'll be focusing only on speed limit violations and others whose illegal activities draw attention

I guess you've never heard of some of the shit bureaucrats have done. Some, in the US mind you, have been caught playing Tetris when they where supposed to be working air traffic control, some USAF officers, who where in charge of our nukes, where caught doing drugs on the job and once the USAF found that several of the nuke launch sites where unguarded, and in one case the door was left unlocked and in another the door was not only unlocked but also cracked open.

Do you think that they won't get bored and look up random shit? Or do you naïvely think that all bureaucrats are noble people that would never ever look at what they shouldn't?

[Galloism]

NO

Yeah seriously I can't possibly detail to you the levels of no this brings me to, both as a motoring enthusiast and a personal liberty enthusiast.

This is also the person who wants universal government surveillance in everyone's homes.

[Kraylandia]

Fuck no.

Why the hell would anyone want government intruding more into people's lives? I don't want a log of every damn place I go in some computer somewhere.

Just no.

you don't really have anything to hide

besides, the bureaucrats will be overwhelmed with information they'll scarcely have time to peruse over your shopping and work routines; they'll be focusing only on speed limit violations and others whose illegal activities draw attention

"You don't really have anything to hide" isn't an excuse. The government has absolutely no right to track citizens without prior suspicion. Just saying.

[Washington Resistance Army]

you don't really have anything to hide

besides, the bureaucrats will be overwhelmed with information they'll scarcely have time to peruse over your shopping and work routines; they'll be focusing only on speed limit violations and others whose illegal activities draw attention

"You don't really have anything to hide" isn't an excuse. The government has absolutely no right to track citizens without prior suspicion. Just saying.

Plus what if we do have things to hide

And it's not like system will be the best in the world, workarounds to it would quickly be made. Just like they have been for everything else.

[Thermodolia]

also, I don't know where people are getting the idea that there are enough blackmailer cops for this to be a problem; the police are handpicked for their dedication to justice, honour, and law and order

I guess they have never meet the lovely folks at Chicago PD or NYPD or LAPD or any other big police force.

[Kraylandia]

"You don't really have anything to hide" isn't an excuse. The government has absolutely no right to track citizens without prior suspicion. Just saying.

Plus what if we do have things to hide

And it's not like system will be the best in the world, workarounds to it would quickly be made. Just like they have been for everything else.

That's true.

[Thermodolia]

Yeah seriously I can't possibly detail to you the levels of no this brings me to, both as a motoring enthusiast and a personal liberty enthusiast.

This is also the person who wants universal government surveillance in everyone's homes.

Ya know NK has that, maybe IM should go live there.