All Cars Should Be Tracked and Locked

[Thermodolia]

I am now known as Big Mushroom?

Big Brother was already taken.

[The Hobbesian Metaphysician]

Won't even get to that. Volkswagen showed how you can bypass Big Mushroom's Watching.

I am now known as Big Mushroom?

Yep especially considering the mushroom cloud which follows you in these topics has started to impact everyone's health here.

[Thermodolia]

All ready have those, all though they are only for persons convicted of vehicular homicide while under the influence.

we shouldn't have to wait until they've had the chance to kill someone, preemptively installing those in all cars will go a long way from preventing us from having to respond to those only when people start turning up dead

Innocent until proven guilty, ever heard of that?

[Galloism]

I'm ok with interlocks for people recently convicted of DUI or DWI.

They probably shouldn't be rolled out universally, as evidence is emerging that they also cause accidents.

there's no reason to wait until people start getting unnecessarily hurt or killed in drunk driver accidents

i prefer a preemptive approach

In order to cause more accidents?

That's an odd public goal.

[Thermodolia]

I am now known as Big Mushroom?

Yep especially considering the mushroom cloud which follows you in these topics has started to impact everyone's health here.

I vote we lock up IM for the benefit of the greater good

[Infected Mushroom]

there's no reason to wait until people start getting unnecessarily hurt or killed in drunk driver accidents

i prefer a preemptive approach

In order to cause more accidents?

That's an odd public goal.

the number of accidents would go down because alarms would immediately go off as soon as someone drunk gets behind a wheel (as opposed to not being able to do anything unless by chance he is stopped or he shows up in the reports AFTER having killed/hurt someone else)

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

The first idea is a gross violation of privacy and the second idea is already implemented for people with a record of drunk driving (at least in my state), so I don'the consider that a completely bad idea.

it isn't a gross violation, since your vehicle could pose a danger to others if speeding

Or if water or ice causes your vehicle to lose traction and you lose control and slam into other cars killing and injuring people, so obviously no one should be allowed to drive a car *nods*

[Cybraxia]

In order to cause more accidents?

That's an odd public goal.

the number of accidents would go down because alarms would immediately go off as soon as someone drunk gets behind a wheel (as opposed to not being able to do anything unless by chance he is stopped or he shows up in the reports AFTER having killed/hurt someone else)

Why would an alarm go off? Without a breathalyzer, no one would know anything, and if they fail that, they won't be able to drive that car anyways.

[Stellonia]

Every year, tens of thousands of people are killed by car accidents largely caused by irresponsible driving. This includes driving under the influence of alcohol and speeding.

http://www.iihs.org/iihs/topics/t/gener ... lity-facts

While your statement is true, it should also be noted that the number of fatalities, both total and per capita, are decreasing, as your own source states.

I propose the following changes:

It's great to hear that you plan to do something about this dilemma.

The government mandate that all cars be installed with mandatory tracking devices.

Hmm... That might be rather expensive.

This allows the police to monitor the positions of all cars and their speed at any given time.

I fail to see the necessity of monitoring the locations of vehicles; that would be an invasion of privacy. As for speed, don't they have these?

This is to deter speeding and ease the administration of speeding regulation for the public good.

I fail to see how that would work.

Cars should also have a mandatory auto-lock system that requires a breath-analyzer to unlock and activate.

What if there happens to be an avalanche or some other disaster and there's no time for such formalities?

This way, if you are drunk, you can't start the car.

But you can have someone else do it for you.

The car cannot be started except by a sober party and it is a criminal offence to try to game the system.

Even so, people will find a way to beat the breathalyzer.

The policy could save tens of thousands of lives potentially.

I'd estimate about several thousand per annum.

I believe these reforms will go a long way in crime prevention, car accident prevention, and improving general public safety as well as the efficacy of the law enforcement system.

They would also go a long way in creating another unnecessary increase in automotive manufacturing costs, which will result in an increased cost for new cars.

What do you think?

To tell the truth, I was somewhat surprised to see that you weren't Petrolheadia. I also disapprove of your ideas.

[Katganistan]

Fuck no.

Why the hell would anyone want government intruding more into people's lives? I don't want a log of every damn place I go in some computer somewhere.

Just no.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

we shouldn't have to wait until they've had the chance to kill someone, preemptively installing those in all cars will go a long way from preventing us from having to respond to those only when people start turning up dead

Innocent until proven guilty, ever heard of that?

IM probably doesn't approve of due process.

[Gauthier]

Fuck no.

Why the hell would anyone want government intruding more into people's lives? I don't want a log of every damn place I go in some computer somewhere.

Just no.

"It says here you went to the Mustang Ranch on Saturday. Care to explain?"

[Czechanada]

Fuck no.

Why the hell would anyone want government intruding more into people's lives? I don't want a log of every damn place I go in some computer somewhere.

Just no.

You do know where you are, right?

[Thermodolia]

Every year, tens of thousands of people are killed by car accidents largely caused by irresponsible driving. This includes driving under the influence of alcohol and speeding.

http://www.iihs.org/iihs/topics/t/gener ... lity-facts

While your statement is true, it should also be noted that the number of fatalities, both total and per capita, are decreasing, as your own source states.

I propose the following changes:

It's great to hear that you plan to do something about this dilemma.

The government mandate that all cars be installed with mandatory tracking devices.

Hmm... That might be rather expensive.

This allows the police to monitor the positions of all cars and their speed at any given time.

I fail to see the necessity of monitoring the locations of vehicles; that would be an invasion of privacy. As for speed, don't they have these?

This is to deter speeding and ease the administration of speeding regulation for the public good.

I fail to see how that would work.

Cars should also have a mandatory auto-lock system that requires a breath-analyzer to unlock and activate.

What if there happens to be an avalanche or some other disaster and there's no time for such formalities?

This way, if you are drunk, you can't start the car.

But you can have someone else do it for you.

The car cannot be started except by a sober party and it is a criminal offence to try to game the system.

Even so, people will find a way to beat the breathalyzer.

The policy could save tens of thousands of lives potentially.

I'd estimate about several thousand per annum.

I believe these reforms will go a long way in crime prevention, car accident prevention, and improving general public safety as well as the efficacy of the law enforcement system.

They would also go a long way in creating another unnecessary increase in automotive manufacturing costs, which will result in an increased cost for new cars.

What do you think?

To tell the truth, I was somewhat surprised to see that you weren't Petrolheadia. I also disapprove of your ideas.

Petrolheadia hates anything that might stop him from flying down the road at whatever speed he wants.

[Thermodolia]

Fuck no.

Why the hell would anyone want government intruding more into people's lives? I don't want a log of every damn place I go in some computer somewhere.

Just no.

And there we have it folks, news at 11

[Thermodolia]

Innocent until proven guilty, ever heard of that?

IM probably doesn't approve of due process.

I never would've guessed.

[Planita]

Big Mushroom is NSG's official crazy person. He/she took it from A&B.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

Fuck no.

Why the hell would anyone want government intruding more into people's lives? I don't want a log of every damn place I go in some computer somewhere.

Just no.

But, but... The greater good....

[Thermodolia]

Big Mushroom is NSG's official crazy person. He/she took it from A&B.

Big Mushroom! The official symbol of crazy, now available at your local Walmart.

[Thermodolia]

Fuck no.

Why the hell would anyone want government intruding more into people's lives? I don't want a log of every damn place I go in some computer somewhere.

Just no.

But, but... The greater good....

You mean "but, but... Muh crazy batshit ideas"

[Galloism]

In order to cause more accidents?

That's an odd public goal.

the number of accidents would go down because alarms would immediately go off as soon as someone drunk gets behind a wheel (as opposed to not being able to do anything unless by chance he is stopped or he shows up in the reports AFTER having killed/hurt someone else)

Except, in order to combat secondary blowers, interlocks generally require the driver to blow into the device periodically while driving.

This has led to several accidents via distraction of operating the interlock device(already linked prior).

[Thermodolia]

the number of accidents would go down because alarms would immediately go off as soon as someone drunk gets behind a wheel (as opposed to not being able to do anything unless by chance he is stopped or he shows up in the reports AFTER having killed/hurt someone else)

Except, in order to combat secondary blowers, interlocks generally require the driver to blow into the device periodically while driving.

This has led to several accidents via distraction of operating the interlock device(already linked prior).

Which is why it's only used in very limited cases.

[Infected Mushroom]

Fuck no.

Why the hell would anyone want government intruding more into people's lives? I don't want a log of every damn place I go in some computer somewhere.

Just no.

you don't really have anything to hide

besides, the bureaucrats will be overwhelmed with information they'll scarcely have time to peruse over your shopping and work routines; they'll be focusing only on speed limit violations and others whose illegal activities draw attention

[Internationalist Bastard]

How about no

[Paddy O Fernature]

I think IM should have to pass a breath analyzer test, as well as passing blood toxicity screening, before they can post a topic on NSG.

*Nods*