All Cars Should Be Tracked and Locked

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Everyone with a record of drug possession gets a tracker in their car? Why? Aren't illicit drug users stigmatized enough already?

You're preaching the Gospel of Mushroom and now you're concerned about convicts being tracked as a stigma?

Apparently they didn't think about that one.

[Cybraxia]

You're preaching the Gospel of Mushroom and now you're concerned about convicts being tracked as a stigma?

Apparently they didn't think about that one.

"Let's put trackers in ALL of the cars.... Except the ones who are felons, they have too much of a stigma."

Brilliant logic.

[Yukonastan]

Hahahahahahha! No.

Police tracking of cars is something I feel as an invasion of my privacy, not to mention the logistics involved. For company cars? Sure, let the company track them. But not my beater.

As for breathalyzer locks, portable breathalyzers have enough error in them that any reading is too inaccurate, especially with the new limits in many places. And the same goes for police handheld breathalyzers, fyi. They'll only tell you whether you're dry or whether you're in the questionable zone where you need to blow on a desktop machine.

Plus I don't want to give my car a blowjob in -20º weather.

[Valystria]

Everyone with a record of drug possession gets a tracker in their car? Why? Aren't illicit drug users stigmatized enough already?

You're preaching the Gospel of Mushroom and now you're concerned about convicts being tracked as a stigma?

There's no stigma if everyone is tracked.

Apparently they didn't think about that one.

"Let's put trackers in ALL of the cars.... Except the ones who are felons, they have too much of a stigma."

Brilliant logic.

I haven't seen anyone suggest that other than you.

[Galloism]

You're preaching the Gospel of Mushroom and now you're concerned about convicts being tracked as a stigma?

There's no stigma if everyone is tracked.

There'll be a bit of a national stigma against Americans when we collapse our whole economy in order to catch people who go 5mph over the speed limit.

Because apparently we're fucking stupid or something.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

You're preaching the Gospel of Mushroom and now you're concerned about convicts being tracked as a stigma?

There's no stigma if everyone is tracked.

"Let's put trackers in ALL of the cars.... Except the ones who are felons, they have too much of a stigma."

Brilliant logic.

I haven't seen anyone suggest that other than you.

So basically "if one of you does something wrong everyone gets punished"?

...

Would you belt all of your children under your care just because one broke a porcelain object?

[Cybraxia]

You're preaching the Gospel of Mushroom and now you're concerned about convicts being tracked as a stigma?

There's no stigma if everyone is tracked.

"Let's put trackers in ALL of the cars.... Except the ones who are felons, they have too much of a stigma."

Brilliant logic.

I haven't seen anyone suggest that other than you.

I didn't suggest anything.

[Valystria]

There's no stigma if everyone is tracked.


I haven't seen anyone suggest that other than you.

I didn't suggest anything.

"Let's put trackers in ALL of the cars.... Except the ones who are felons, they have too much of a stigma."
~ Cybraxia

There's no stigma if everyone is tracked.


I haven't seen anyone suggest that other than you.

So basically "if one of you does something wrong everyone gets punished"?

...

Would you belt all of your children under your care just because one broke a porcelain object?

This isn't about punishing anyone. It's about keeping everyone safe under the watchful eyes of the state.

There's no stigma if everyone is tracked.

There'll be a bit of a national stigma against Americans when we collapse our whole economy in order to catch people who go 5mph over the speed limit.

Because apparently we're fucking stupid or something.

Oh spare me the economic scaremongering.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-iraq-war-anniversary-idUSBRE92D0PG20130314

The U.S. war in Iraq has cost $1.7 trillion with an additional $490 billion in benefits owed to war veterans, expenses that could grow to more than $6 trillion over the next four decades counting interest

Public safety is a far more noble pursuit than warmongering.

[Cybraxia]

I didn't suggest anything.

"Let's put trackers in ALL of the cars.... Except the ones who are felons, they have too much of a stigma."
~ Cybraxia

"Let's put trackers in ALL of the cars.... Except the ones who are felons, they have too much of a stigma."

Notice how it's in quotes?

It's not a suggestion.

Reading Comprehension will help you go far in life kids.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I didn't suggest anything.

"Let's put trackers in ALL of the cars.... Except the ones who are felons, they have too much of a stigma."
~ Cybraxia

So basically "if one of you does something wrong everyone gets punished"?

...

Would you belt all of your children under your care just because one broke a porcelain object?

This isn't about punishing anyone. It's about keeping everyone safe under the watchful eyes of the state.

There'll be a bit of a national stigma against Americans when we collapse our whole economy in order to catch people who go 5mph over the speed limit.

Because apparently we're fucking stupid or something.

Oh spare me the economic scaremongering.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-iraq-war-anniversary-idUSBRE92D0PG20130314

The U.S. war in Iraq has cost $1.7 trillion with an additional $490 billion in benefits owed to war veterans, expenses that could grow to more than $6 trillion over the next four decades counting interest

Public safety is a far more noble pursuit than warmongering.

Of course it isn't. Just like punishing all of the children under your care just because of the mistake of the one is not "unfair punishment" but "protecting the children and keeping everyone safe under the watchful eyes of mama Valystria".

[Galloism]

There'll be a bit of a national stigma against Americans when we collapse our whole economy in order to catch people who go 5mph over the speed limit.

Because apparently we're fucking stupid or something.

Oh spare me the economic scaremongering.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-iraq-war-anniversary-idUSBRE92D0PG20130314

The U.S. war in Iraq has cost $1.7 trillion with an additional $490 billion in benefits owed to war veterans, expenses that could grow to more than $6 trillion over the next four decades counting interest

Public safety is a far more noble pursuit than warmongering.

And given that includes accrued expenses (IE, expenses incurred on the books but not paid as a result of accrual accounting methods), it's probably still cheaper than what's being proposed.

Not that the Iraq war wasn't fucking stupid, mind you.

[Ifreann]

There's no stigma if everyone is tracked.

There'll be a bit of a national stigma against Americans when we collapse our whole economy in order to catch people who go 5mph over the speed limit.

Because apparently we're fucking stupid or something.

Tourism might be affected when you declare war on the entire rest of the world for not enforcing your local traffic laws.

[Galloism]

There'll be a bit of a national stigma against Americans when we collapse our whole economy in order to catch people who go 5mph over the speed limit.

Because apparently we're fucking stupid or something.

Tourism might be affected when you declare war on the entire rest of the world for not enforcing your local traffic laws.

Not to mention all the import inspections to make sure that none of the electronic devices being imported can be used to disable your traffic monitoring devices.

Might impact trade.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Tourism might be affected when you declare war on the entire rest of the world for not enforcing your local traffic laws.

Not to mention all the import inspections to make sure that none of the electronic devices being imported can be used to disable your traffic monitoring devices.

Might impact trade.

We will need to ban even hammers, then.

Wood? Fuck you, we don't need that. Wood only causes more issues to our national security. Never mind we need to build more houses, nope, our cars are more important than insignificant pieces of wood.

[Ifreann]

Tourism might be affected when you declare war on the entire rest of the world for not enforcing your local traffic laws.

Not to mention all the import inspections to make sure that none of the electronic devices being imported can be used to disable your traffic monitoring devices.

Might impact trade.

Just a tad.

[Galloism]

Not to mention all the import inspections to make sure that none of the electronic devices being imported can be used to disable your traffic monitoring devices.

Might impact trade.

We will need to ban even hammers, then.

Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't widespread targeting of traffic monitoring infrastructure by people who oppose this idea. I mean, the funniest damn thing is now we have small flying drones that can be purchased at fucking Wal-Mart, and are too small to be tracked on radar, but can be modified to carry guns, rockets, etc, and can be remote controlled from very long distances.

Is it illegal to modify them that way? Yeah.

Think that ever stopped anyone?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

We will need to ban even hammers, then.

Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't widespread targeting of traffic monitoring infrastructure by people who oppose this idea. I mean, the funniest damn thing is now we have small flying drones that can be purchased at fucking Wal-Mart, and are too small to be tracked on radar, but can be modified to carry guns, rockets, etc, and can be remote controlled from very long distances.

Is it illegal to modify them that way? Yeah.

Think that ever stopped anyone?

Nah, I think it'd be pretty bad ass to do that as a pet, controlled project if it was legal. Have shooting ranges and whatnot where to test the drones, even do battles with them in a field in a safe and controlled environment where the builders can't get hurt.

[Ifreann]

We will need to ban even hammers, then.

Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't widespread targeting of traffic monitoring infrastructure by people who oppose this idea. I mean, the funniest damn thing is now we have small flying drones that can be purchased at fucking Wal-Mart, and are too small to be tracked on radar, but can be modified to carry guns, rockets, etc, and can be remote controlled from very long distances.

Is it illegal to modify them that way? Yeah.

Think that ever stopped anyone?

We'll just make it impossible to tamper with them somehow.

[Yukonastan]

Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't widespread targeting of traffic monitoring infrastructure by people who oppose this idea. I mean, the funniest damn thing is now we have small flying drones that can be purchased at fucking Wal-Mart, and are too small to be tracked on radar, but can be modified to carry guns, rockets, etc, and can be remote controlled from very long distances.

Is it illegal to modify them that way? Yeah.

Think that ever stopped anyone?

Nah, I think it'd be pretty bad ass to do that as a pet, controlled project if it was legal. Have shooting ranges and whatnot where to test the drones, even do battles with them in a field in a safe and controlled environment where the builders can't get hurt.

Drone battles are fairly popular already. The thing is that the moment you start adding flamethrowers, missiles, shotguns, and the other goodies that /really/ make drone battles excel, you're going to need a hell of a lot of Plexiglass to be able to take the misses.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't widespread targeting of traffic monitoring infrastructure by people who oppose this idea. I mean, the funniest damn thing is now we have small flying drones that can be purchased at fucking Wal-Mart, and are too small to be tracked on radar, but can be modified to carry guns, rockets, etc, and can be remote controlled from very long distances.

Is it illegal to modify them that way? Yeah.

Think that ever stopped anyone?

We'll just make it impossible to tamper with them somehow.

We'll dump the entire U.S. GDP into this project. And if it isn't enough then God damnit we'll conquer and expand our territory.

[Valystria]

Oh spare me the economic scaremongering.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-iraq-war-anniversary-idUSBRE92D0PG20130314



Public safety is a far more noble pursuit than warmongering.

And given that includes accrued expenses (IE, expenses incurred on the books but not paid as a result of accrual accounting methods), it's probably still cheaper than what's being proposed.

Not that the Iraq war wasn't fucking stupid, mind you.

If we ditch the wars we can afford the trackers.

There'll be a bit of a national stigma against Americans when we collapse our whole economy in order to catch people who go 5mph over the speed limit.

Because apparently we're fucking stupid or something.

Tourism might be affected when you declare war on the entire rest of the world for not enforcing your local traffic laws.

No one has suggested doing that, but feel free to continue citing strawmen if that's all you can defend your position with.

"Let's put trackers in ALL of the cars.... Except the ones who are felons, they have too much of a stigma."
~ Cybraxia

"Let's put trackers in ALL of the cars.... Except the ones who are felons, they have too much of a stigma."

Notice how it's in quotes?

It's not a suggestion.

Reading Comprehension will help you go far in life kids.

Do consider applying the wisdom of your words to yourself. No one had suggesting placing trackers in all cars except those of felons. You conjured that strawman and then proceeded to use it as if it somehow accomplishes anything other than nothing.

"Let's put trackers in ALL of the cars.... Except the ones who are felons, they have too much of a stigma."
~ Cybraxia


This isn't about punishing anyone. It's about keeping everyone safe under the watchful eyes of the state.


Oh spare me the economic scaremongering.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-iraq-war-anniversary-idUSBRE92D0PG20130314



Public safety is a far more noble pursuit than warmongering.

Of course it isn't. Just like punishing all of the children under your care just because of the mistake of the one is not "unfair punishment" but "protecting the children and keeping everyone safe under the watchful eyes of mama Valystria".

I'm sorry that you associate public safety with punishment. It doesn't make it so.

We will need to ban even hammers, then.

Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't widespread targeting of traffic monitoring infrastructure by people who oppose this idea. I mean, the funniest damn thing is now we have small flying drones that can be purchased at fucking Wal-Mart, and are too small to be tracked on radar, but can be modified to carry guns, rockets, etc, and can be remote controlled from very long distances.

Is it illegal to modify them that way? Yeah.

Think that ever stopped anyone?

This is all the more reason for more surveillance and for more usage of law enforcement drones to stay ahead of subversives who would use drones for nefarious ends.

Not to mention all the import inspections to make sure that none of the electronic devices being imported can be used to disable your traffic monitoring devices.

Might impact trade.

We will need to ban even hammers, then.

Wood? Fuck you, we don't need that. Wood only causes more issues to our national security. Never mind we need to build more houses, nope, our cars are more important than insignificant pieces of wood.

You may want to rethink that...

Tourism might be affected when you declare war on the entire rest of the world for not enforcing your local traffic laws.

Not to mention all the import inspections to make sure that none of the electronic devices being imported can be used to disable your traffic monitoring devices.

Might impact trade.

This could be mitigated with the government taking up a policy of shifting towards autarky.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

And given that includes accrued expenses (IE, expenses incurred on the books but not paid as a result of accrual accounting methods), it's probably still cheaper than what's being proposed.

Not that the Iraq war wasn't fucking stupid, mind you.

If we ditch the wars we can afford the trackers.

Tourism might be affected when you declare war on the entire rest of the world for not enforcing your local traffic laws.

No one has suggested doing that, but feel free to continue citing strawmen if that's all you can defend your position with.

Notice how it's in quotes?

It's not a suggestion.

Reading Comprehension will help you go far in life kids.

Do consider applying the wisdom of your words to yourself. No one had suggesting placing trackers in all cars except those of felons. You conjured that strawman and then proceeded to use it as if it somehow accomplishes anything other than nothing.

Of course it isn't. Just like punishing all of the children under your care just because of the mistake of the one is not "unfair punishment" but "protecting the children and keeping everyone safe under the watchful eyes of mama Valystria".

I'm sorry that you associate public safety with punishment. It doesn't make it so.

Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't widespread targeting of traffic monitoring infrastructure by people who oppose this idea. I mean, the funniest damn thing is now we have small flying drones that can be purchased at fucking Wal-Mart, and are too small to be tracked on radar, but can be modified to carry guns, rockets, etc, and can be remote controlled from very long distances.

Is it illegal to modify them that way? Yeah.

Think that ever stopped anyone?

This is all the more reason for more surveillance and for more usage of law enforcement drones to stay ahead of subversives who would use drones for nefarious ends.

We will need to ban even hammers, then.

Wood? Fuck you, we don't need that. Wood only causes more issues to our national security. Never mind we need to build more houses, nope, our cars are more important than insignificant pieces of wood.

You may want to rethink that...

Not to mention all the import inspections to make sure that none of the electronic devices being imported can be used to disable your traffic monitoring devices.

Might impact trade.

This could be mitigated with the government taking up a policy of shifting towards autarky.

1- Public safety doesn't need draconian features to work. We're doing fine without these measures. If anything less measures are proved to work rather than more.

2 - Apparently someone has forgotten you can make tools with wood and damage equipment that way. Seriously, I've been thinking neither you or IM or Ostro have fuck all notions of what you're talking about, I'm starting to think I'm right.

[Yukonastan]

Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't widespread targeting of traffic monitoring infrastructure by people who oppose this idea. I mean, the funniest damn thing is now we have small flying drones that can be purchased at fucking Wal-Mart, and are too small to be tracked on radar, but can be modified to carry guns, rockets, etc, and can be remote controlled from very long distances.

Is it illegal to modify them that way? Yeah.

Think that ever stopped anyone?

We'll just make it impossible to tamper with them somehow.

Oh, trust me. anything, and I do mean anything, can be tampered with and hacked. It'd surprise me if there wasn't an O-day if this ever came to be.

[Galloism]

And given that includes accrued expenses (IE, expenses incurred on the books but not paid as a result of accrual accounting methods), it's probably still cheaper than what's being proposed.

Not that the Iraq war wasn't fucking stupid, mind you.

If we ditch the wars we can afford the trackers.

Not a chance.

Tourism might be affected when you declare war on the entire rest of the world for not enforcing your local traffic laws.

No one has suggested doing that, but feel free to continue citing strawmen if that's all you can defend your position with.

Well... almost no one...

Not to mention all the import inspections to make sure that none of the electronic devices being imported can be used to disable your traffic monitoring devices.

Might impact trade.

This could be mitigated with the government taking up a policy of shifting towards autarky.

Now we're going to shrink our economy. Clearly by completely defunding the military, then sinking the economy, then declaring war on everybody who might have a citizen that can reverse engineer our system, we are on a path to an economically prosperous utopia.

Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't widespread targeting of traffic monitoring infrastructure by people who oppose this idea. I mean, the funniest damn thing is now we have small flying drones that can be purchased at fucking Wal-Mart, and are too small to be tracked on radar, but can be modified to carry guns, rockets, etc, and can be remote controlled from very long distances.

Is it illegal to modify them that way? Yeah.

Think that ever stopped anyone?

This is all the more reason for more surveillance and for more usage of law enforcement drones to stay ahead of subversives who would use drones for nefarious ends.

Won't work.

The united states is 3.8 MILLION square miles. You can't possibly watch it all.

[Gauthier]

There's no stigma if everyone is tracked.


I haven't seen anyone suggest that other than you.

So basically "if one of you does something wrong everyone gets punished"?

...

Would you belt all of your children under your care just because one broke a porcelain object?

Hey, it works for Israel.