All Cars Should Be Tracked and Locked

[Vassenor]

Your premise assumes that "likelihood of driving drunk" is a risk factor in determining insurance. Rather than, say, the vehicle being insured, or the experience of the driver, or the locale where the vehicle is registered.

Drunk driving causes a number of crashes and such. Without those crashes, premiums will decrease.

Or insurance providers will just find a new reason to raise their prices to cover.

[Ostroeuropa]

A surveillance network of cameras could do it, as well as have ancillary benefits.

Explain how that would work.

You need me to explain speed cameras?

[Vassenor]

Then stop making threads for your asinine ideas.

Now put up or shut up.

I'm saying there is no obligation to come up with numerical reports when there is a good faith basis that the other side is making things up (I mean REALLY? my proposal is going to cost more than universal healthcare + military expenditures?); its absurd, patently so

I'm not sure I understand your "good faith basis" beyond "it doesn't fit what I want to believe ergo it is a lie".

So where is your evidence that your idea can be done within that budget?

[Vassenor]

Explain how that would work.

You need me to explain speed cameras?

Not an active vehicle mounted tracking system like the OP demands.

[Galloism]

So you refuse to support the idea you back because someone else asks you to?

No. I refuse to debunk fabricated numbers with a response of fabricated numbers.

http://www.lifeguardbreathtester.com/Preventing_DUI/dui_ignition.shtml

Installation, $100 to $200. That is not mass production cost. That is a single installation cost. With an order of hundreds of thousands of these devices the cost would be significantly reduced, especially if being manufactured at slightly above production cost for a bulk order.

It is not going to cost more than single-payer healthcare and the military combined no matter how much you would like to believe so. There can't be a price placed on public safety, and in this case it happens to be very affordable. No one should be at risk of being harmed or killed by drunk drivers.

Yeah, the tracking system is much more expensive than the interlock. The interlock will cost somewhere between 250 billion and 500 billion to implement, and a couple hundred billion bucks a year to maintain.

Oh, and interlocks cause crashes.

[Galloism]

We can all use google, yes.

But how much would this cost the state?

To install breathalyzers in all new vehicles sold? Nothing really.
Just introduce it as a new car regulation akin to environmental regulations.

If the car companies contracted out and for each individual car had someone install the device, it would still only add 100 to 200 to the cost of the car.
If they contracted out and managed to get a bulk deal, it would be cheaper. But more likely, they'll add the system in-house and get it done for dollars or cents per unit.

The cost shifts to the consumer, but when you factor in the money saved on insurance premiums which are likely to decrease when it becomes apparent drunk driving is no longer a factor, it may break even for consumers.

Breathalyzers have to be calibrated monthly, typically at 60-80 dollars per month per vehicle.

Roughly 720 to 960 dollars per year. Unless my insurance company starts paying me, I'm not going to save that in insurance.

[Galloism]

Then stop making threads for your asinine ideas.

Now put up or shut up.

I'm saying there is no obligation to come up with numerical reports when there is a good faith basis that the other side is making things up (I mean REALLY? my proposal is going to cost more than universal healthcare + military expenditures?); its absurd, patently so

So you keep saying, but I provided links to what a WAAS setup costs. I've substantiated how many registered vehicles there.

From there, it's a simple multiplication problem.

[Galloism]

Explain how that would work.

You need me to explain speed cameras?

Speed cameras radar sensors are generally recalibrated quite frequently. They are cheaper than cops, but still require substantial maintenance costs and have limited range.

[Infected Mushroom]

I'm saying there is no obligation to come up with numerical reports when there is a good faith basis that the other side is making things up (I mean REALLY? my proposal is going to cost more than universal healthcare + military expenditures?); its absurd, patently so

I'm not sure I understand your "good faith basis" beyond "it doesn't fit what I want to believe ergo it is a lie".

So where is your evidence that your idea can be done within that budget?

it is patently obvious that my proposal, could NOT be far more expensive than the combined total of the entire US military budget and installing nationalised healthcare in the USA

I shouldn't have to be asked to respond to such ludicrous allegations

[Infected Mushroom]

You need me to explain speed cameras?

Not an active vehicle mounted tracking system like the OP demands.

I am entirely okay with alternatives too, the focus is on watching cars

[North Arkana]

I'm not sure I understand your "good faith basis" beyond "it doesn't fit what I want to believe ergo it is a lie".

So where is your evidence that your idea can be done within that budget?

it is patently obvious that my proposal, could NOT be far more expensive than the combined total of the entire US military budget and installing nationalised healthcare in the USA

I shouldn't have to be asked to respond to such ludicrous allegations

Hand wave after hand-wave is all you contribute to an argument you have realized you have no chance of winning. Gallo has provided numbers, and those numbers can be researched and confirmed. You have only provided empty denial and blind assurance in you conviction that only you could possibly be correct. Participate meaningfully in your thread, or step aside.

[Vassenor]

I'm not sure I understand your "good faith basis" beyond "it doesn't fit what I want to believe ergo it is a lie".

So where is your evidence that your idea can be done within that budget?

it is patently obvious that my proposal, could NOT be far more expensive than the combined total of the entire US military budget and installing nationalised healthcare in the USA

I shouldn't have to be asked to respond to such ludicrous allegations

What makes it patently obvious?

If you are not prepared to defend your ideas against criticism with supporting evidence then there is no point trying to debate with you. This is basically the equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears and singing at the top of your voice whenever you encounter a point you don't like.

[The Two Jerseys]

Then stop making threads for your asinine ideas.

Now put up or shut up.

I'm saying there is no obligation to come up with numerical reports when there is a good faith basis that the other side is making things up (I mean REALLY? my proposal is going to cost more than universal healthcare + military expenditures?); its absurd, patently so

You really have some nerve accusing others of acting in bad faith when you flat-out refuse to provide any sort of proof to back up your claims.

[Infected Mushroom]

it is patently obvious that my proposal, could NOT be far more expensive than the combined total of the entire US military budget and installing nationalised healthcare in the USA

I shouldn't have to be asked to respond to such ludicrous allegations

Hand wave after hand-wave is all you contribute to an argument you have realized you have no chance of winning. Gallo has provided numbers, and those numbers can be researched and confirmed. You have only provided empty denial and blind assurance in you conviction that only you could possibly be correct. Participate meaningfully in your thread, or step aside.

I refuse to respond in kind; just because Galloism starts essentially fabricating numbers doesn't mean that I too must also resort to such tactics

like I said, there is simply no way it can cost more than universal healthcare + military expenditures of the USA; no reasonable person could believe this

[Vassenor]

Hand wave after hand-wave is all you contribute to an argument you have realized you have no chance of winning. Gallo has provided numbers, and those numbers can be researched and confirmed. You have only provided empty denial and blind assurance in you conviction that only you could possibly be correct. Participate meaningfully in your thread, or step aside.

I refuse to respond in kind; just because Galloism starts essentially fabricating numbers doesn't mean that I too must also resort to such tactics

like I said, there is simply no way it can cost more than universal healthcare + military expenditures of the USA

What proof do you have that they are fabricating their numbers?

[The Two Jerseys]

Hand wave after hand-wave is all you contribute to an argument you have realized you have no chance of winning. Gallo has provided numbers, and those numbers can be researched and confirmed. You have only provided empty denial and blind assurance in you conviction that only you could possibly be correct. Participate meaningfully in your thread, or step aside.

I refuse to respond in kind; just because Galloism starts essentially fabricating numbers doesn't mean that I too must also resort to such tactics

like I said, there is simply no way it can cost more than universal healthcare + military expenditures of the USA; no reasonable person could believe this

Since you obviously haven't noticed, Gallo sourced all his numbers. The Canadian education system is perfectly capable of teaching how to multiply two numbers, so the problem is clearly with you.

Now kindly get the holier-than-thou stick out of your perfidious ass and prove that his claims are as ludicrous as you say they are, Mr. Mala Fides.

[Galnius]

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Is it just me...or is this accurate of Infected's "proof" and arguments?

[Hetland 2]

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Is it just me...or is this accurate of Infected's "proof" and arguments?

Don't hold your breath on it.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

I refuse to respond in kind; just because Galloism starts essentially fabricating numbers doesn't mean that I too must also resort to such tactics

like I said, there is simply no way it can cost more than universal healthcare + military expenditures of the USA

What proof do you have that they are fabricating their numbers?

I wouldn't expect IM to provide a reliable source.

[The Two Jerseys]

What proof do you have that they are fabricating their numbers?

I wouldn't expect IM to provide a reliable source.

I wouldn't expect IM to provide a source at all.

[Hetland 2]

I wouldn't expect IM to provide a reliable source.

I wouldn't expect IM to provide a source at all.

I wouldn't expect IM.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

I wouldn't expect IM to provide a reliable source.

I wouldn't expect IM to provide a source at all.

I wouldn't expect IM to even reply at all.

[The Two Jerseys]

I wouldn't expect IM to provide a source at all.

I wouldn't expect IM to even reply at all.

Not right away, at least. It apparently takes time to craft some sort of accusation against us.

[Hetland 2]

I wouldn't expect IM to even reply at all.

Not right away, at least. It apparently takes time to craft some sort of accusation against us.

Give them some credit. They have to chisel it out of stone first.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

I wouldn't expect IM to even reply at all.

Not right away, at least. It apparently takes time to craft some sort of accusation against us.

I have serious doubts she would reply. It's pretty obvious by reading IM threads that whenever someone successfully challenges her argument (which happens often), 9 times out of 10 she doesn't even bother to reply. And even when she does, it's a usually a convoluted way of saying "nuh uh". It's pretty standard by now.