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Postby Ostroeuropa » Tue Dec 22, 2015 2:55 pm

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Not so. I can point out why their use in specific instances is a social evil.

Violence is a tool, but there is a difference between a thug beating people up to take their money, and someone who's role in society is to take down the thug.

PC should be used to suppress SJWs, feminists, and social conservatives and prevent them from abusing positions of power, or attaining them, which they have shown repeatedly they will use to infest institutions with more of their kind and engage on witch hunts against critics, before curtailing mens rights in the institutions they capture and breeding misandry.

I wouldn't let the Klan obtain offices either, why would I let a feminist?


Special Snowflake Pleading. More Nietzhean hypocrisy.


On the contrary. I'm only in favor of suppressing specific types of ideology that have proven themselves dangerous to society. My default position is to allow people a chance. Institutional Feminists and such meanwhile, have a default position of assuming you have to agree with them or they'll suppress you.

These are two very different stances.

It's the difference between a one party state, and a state which bans a terrorist organization.
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There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.

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Postby Bogdanov Vishniac » Tue Dec 22, 2015 2:57 pm

Morr wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/37b2na/serious_sjws_of_reddit_what_is_your_response_to/


Also nails why political correctness is bad and SJWs are terrible for society.



Instead of engaging in a disucssion, the SJWs take the time to bitch and complain that they are offended.

SJW's are pr ogres, bruh.


And free meal tickets for journalists and dying news media outlets who make a living perpetuating the outrage counter-outrage counter-counter-outrage cycle. Similar to how people do the same thing for 'Millennial'.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Tue Dec 22, 2015 3:01 pm

Bogdanov Vishniac wrote:
Morr wrote:SJW's are pr ogres, bruh.


And free meal tickets for journalists and dying news media outlets who make a living perpetuating the outrage counter-outrage counter-counter-outrage cycle. Similar to how people do the same thing for 'Millennial'.


Two classes of people who are rapidly becoming useless to society develop a symbiotic relationship.
Gender studies graduates and journalists.
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There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.

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Postby Gauthier » Tue Dec 22, 2015 3:03 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Gauthier wrote:
Special Snowflake Pleading. More Nietzhean hypocrisy.


On the contrary. I'm only in favor of suppressing specific types of ideology that have proven themselves dangerous to society. My default position is to allow people a chance. Institutional Feminists and such meanwhile, have a default position of assuming you have to agree with them or they'll suppress you.

These are two very different stances.

It's the difference between a one party state, and a state which bans a terrorist organization.


It's Justified When WE Do It.

Pure Consistency and Integrity. Why not call for the extermination of all women for bonus points?
Crimes committed by Muslims will be a pan-Islamic plot and proof of Islam's inherent evil. On the other hand crimes committed by non-Muslims will merely be the acts of loners who do not represent their belief system at all.
The probability of one's participation in homosexual acts is directly proportional to one's public disdain and disgust for homosexuals.
If a political figure makes an accusation of wrongdoing without evidence, odds are probable that the accuser or an associate thereof has in fact committed the very same act, possibly to a worse degree.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Tue Dec 22, 2015 3:04 pm

Gauthier wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
On the contrary. I'm only in favor of suppressing specific types of ideology that have proven themselves dangerous to society. My default position is to allow people a chance. Institutional Feminists and such meanwhile, have a default position of assuming you have to agree with them or they'll suppress you.

These are two very different stances.

It's the difference between a one party state, and a state which bans a terrorist organization.


It's Justified When WE Do It.

Pure Consistency and Integrity. Why not call for the extermination of all women for bonus points?


I've literally just explained to you why you're wrong, but it sailed right over your head. That's assuming you're genuine, ofcourse.
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There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.

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Postby Gauthier » Tue Dec 22, 2015 3:08 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Gauthier wrote:
It's Justified When WE Do It.

Pure Consistency and Integrity. Why not call for the extermination of all women for bonus points?


I've literally just explained to you why you're wrong, but it sailed right over your head. That's assuming you're genuine, ofcourse.


You rant about Special Snowflakes only to do it yourself.

More Consistency.
Crimes committed by Muslims will be a pan-Islamic plot and proof of Islam's inherent evil. On the other hand crimes committed by non-Muslims will merely be the acts of loners who do not represent their belief system at all.
The probability of one's participation in homosexual acts is directly proportional to one's public disdain and disgust for homosexuals.
If a political figure makes an accusation of wrongdoing without evidence, odds are probable that the accuser or an associate thereof has in fact committed the very same act, possibly to a worse degree.
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Postby Morr » Tue Dec 22, 2015 3:08 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Bogdanov Vishniac wrote:
And free meal tickets for journalists and dying news media outlets who make a living perpetuating the outrage counter-outrage counter-counter-outrage cycle. Similar to how people do the same thing for 'Millennial'.


Two classes of people who are rapidly becoming useless to society develop a symbiotic relationship.
Gender studies graduates and journalists.

Gender shouldn't be an academic study?
Journalism is a bad thing?
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Tue Dec 22, 2015 3:12 pm

Morr wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
Two classes of people who are rapidly becoming useless to society develop a symbiotic relationship.
Gender studies graduates and journalists.

Gender shouldn't be an academic study?
Journalism is a bad thing?


Perhaps it should, but not as it currently is done. There is a complete lack of actual academics, scientific rigour, etc. It's all a pack of lies and an indoctrination process, and is kept that way by bigots and misandrists running the show and suppressing dissent, an example of why these people cannot be allowed to control any institution.

As for journalism, no, it's not a bad thing.
Nor are horse drawn carriages.
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There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.

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Postby Dragonia Re Xzua » Tue Dec 22, 2015 3:12 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Gauthier wrote:
It's Justified When WE Do It.

Pure Consistency and Integrity. Why not call for the extermination of all women for bonus points?


I've literally just explained to you why you're wrong, but it sailed right over your head. That's assuming you're genuine, ofcourse.

Because Gauth doesn't let facts and logic get in the way of anything, just as long as his emotions trump everyone else, as seen in many of his posts.
Humans are monsters, we will never change, we will always want to claw out the throats of those with a difference in opinion, we will never be in an age of peace because of our lust for war, poverty will continue to exist as long as monetary needs exist. We rape, enslave, and conquer with no regards to others. We live by the sword, and we will, justifiably, die by the sword.

Hope is for unrealistic idealists. Pessimism is your friend.

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Postby Morr » Tue Dec 22, 2015 3:23 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Morr wrote:Gender shouldn't be an academic study?
Journalism is a bad thing?


Perhaps it should, but not as it currently is done. There is a complete lack of actual academics, scientific rigour, etc. It's all a pack of lies and an indoctrination process, and is kept that way by bigots and misandrists running the show and suppressing dissent, an example of why these people cannot be allowed to control any institution.

As for journalism, no, it's not a bad thing.
Nor are horse drawn carriages.

Gender studies are one of the humanities, not natural science.

I'm not sure what your point is about journalism. It's obsolete?
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Tue Dec 22, 2015 3:29 pm

Morr wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
Perhaps it should, but not as it currently is done. There is a complete lack of actual academics, scientific rigour, etc. It's all a pack of lies and an indoctrination process, and is kept that way by bigots and misandrists running the show and suppressing dissent, an example of why these people cannot be allowed to control any institution.

As for journalism, no, it's not a bad thing.
Nor are horse drawn carriages.

Gender studies are one of the humanities, not natural science.

I'm not sure what your point is about journalism. It's obsolete?


Mass journalism is fairly obsolete, yes.
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There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.

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Postby Dragonia Re Xzua » Tue Dec 22, 2015 3:31 pm

Morr wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
Perhaps it should, but not as it currently is done. There is a complete lack of actual academics, scientific rigour, etc. It's all a pack of lies and an indoctrination process, and is kept that way by bigots and misandrists running the show and suppressing dissent, an example of why these people cannot be allowed to control any institution.

As for journalism, no, it's not a bad thing.
Nor are horse drawn carriages.

Gender studies are one of the humanities, not natural science.

I'm not sure what your point is about journalism. It's obsolete?

Journalism in general is not obsolete, it just gets fragged if it (a) doesn't fit the agenda of a particular news organization, or (b) is labeled politically incorrect by nutjobs looking for attention.
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Humans are monsters, we will never change, we will always want to claw out the throats of those with a difference in opinion, we will never be in an age of peace because of our lust for war, poverty will continue to exist as long as monetary needs exist. We rape, enslave, and conquer with no regards to others. We live by the sword, and we will, justifiably, die by the sword.

Hope is for unrealistic idealists. Pessimism is your friend.

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Postby Morr » Tue Dec 22, 2015 3:32 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Morr wrote:Gender studies are one of the humanities, not natural science.

I'm not sure what your point is about journalism. It's obsolete?


Mass journalism is fairly obsolete, yes.

What has replaced journalism?
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Postby Dragonia Re Xzua » Tue Dec 22, 2015 3:34 pm

Morr wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
Mass journalism is fairly obsolete, yes.

What has replaced journalism?

Independent journalism, to a degree.
Humans are monsters, we will never change, we will always want to claw out the throats of those with a difference in opinion, we will never be in an age of peace because of our lust for war, poverty will continue to exist as long as monetary needs exist. We rape, enslave, and conquer with no regards to others. We live by the sword, and we will, justifiably, die by the sword.

Hope is for unrealistic idealists. Pessimism is your friend.

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Tue Dec 22, 2015 3:37 pm

Dragonia Re Xzua wrote:
Morr wrote:What has replaced journalism?

Independent journalism, to a degree.


This.

It's sort of like how the gaming industry is in trouble. These massive institutions and such have built themselves up, and now technology has made them obsolete.
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There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Tue Dec 22, 2015 3:38 pm

http://www.onionstudios.com/videos/prog ... chair-3494


The onion is loling at PC culture, so it's pretty much official
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There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.

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Postby Gauthier » Tue Dec 22, 2015 3:40 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Dragonia Re Xzua wrote:Independent journalism, to a degree.


This.

It's sort of like how the gaming industry is in trouble. These massive institutions and such have built themselves up, and now technology has made them obsolete.


Independent Journalism with nothing to verify their accuracy.

Truthiness is the new cocaine. And no doubt something you'd rant about when The Other Side does it.
Crimes committed by Muslims will be a pan-Islamic plot and proof of Islam's inherent evil. On the other hand crimes committed by non-Muslims will merely be the acts of loners who do not represent their belief system at all.
The probability of one's participation in homosexual acts is directly proportional to one's public disdain and disgust for homosexuals.
If a political figure makes an accusation of wrongdoing without evidence, odds are probable that the accuser or an associate thereof has in fact committed the very same act, possibly to a worse degree.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Tue Dec 22, 2015 3:42 pm

Gauthier wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
This.

It's sort of like how the gaming industry is in trouble. These massive institutions and such have built themselves up, and now technology has made them obsolete.


Independent Journalism with nothing to verify their accuracy.

Truthiness is the new cocaine. And no doubt something you'd rant about when The Other Side does it.


Mainstream Journalism /=/ Accuracy. The opposite has been consistently shown.
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There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.

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Postby Valystria » Tue Dec 22, 2015 3:50 pm

Dragonia Re Xzua wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
I've literally just explained to you why you're wrong, but it sailed right over your head. That's assuming you're genuine, ofcourse.

Because Gauth doesn't let facts and logic get in the way of anything, just as long as his emotions trump everyone else, as seen in many of his posts.


Before I started over on NS I had that same off-the-wall emotional kneejerk reaction to everything, making every post as emotionally loaded as Gauthier's. Then I was given antidepressants and I've been a lot more mellow since then, focusing on actual content instead of just OH MY GOD YOU [INSERT BUZZWORD], OMG OMG [INSERT EMOTIONALLY LOADED SCENE HERE].

Seriously though, I'd recommend antidepressants to anyone who finds themselves unhealthily emotionally invested in posting. It's not okay making every post with shrilling emotional rhetoric as a standard posting style.

Morr wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
Two classes of people who are rapidly becoming useless to society develop a symbiotic relationship.
Gender studies graduates and journalists.

Gender shouldn't be an academic study?
Journalism is a bad thing?

Gender studies shouldn't exist as its own field. Gender can be a subfield of other fields. Gender psychology, gender sociology, etc.

Morr wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/37b2na/serious_sjws_of_reddit_what_is_your_response_to/


Also nails why political correctness is bad and SJWs are terrible for society.



Instead of engaging in a disucssion, the SJWs take the time to bitch and complain that they are offended.

SJW's are pr ogres, bruh.

When all you can do is engage in name calling... it means you have nothing to make your case on.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

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Postby Morr » Tue Dec 22, 2015 3:50 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Dragonia Re Xzua wrote:Independent journalism, to a degree.


This.

It's sort of like how the gaming industry is in trouble. These massive institutions and such have built themselves up, and now technology has made them obsolete.

Who are some your favorite independent journalists?
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Tue Dec 22, 2015 3:52 pm

Morr wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
This.

It's sort of like how the gaming industry is in trouble. These massive institutions and such have built themselves up, and now technology has made them obsolete.

Who are some your favorite independent journalists?


Secular Talk is pretty good, Sargon of Akkad, Amazing Atheist, but for the most part, it's worth going to places like reddit and seeing the publics commentary on news.
Often, the upvoted comments will have citations and such pointing out why the article is a pack of lies.

A lot of articles about SJW or feminist bullshit disable comments to prevent exactly this debunking.
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Postby Morr » Tue Dec 22, 2015 3:54 pm

Valystria wrote:Gender studies shouldn't exist as its own field. Gender can be a subfield of other fields. Gender psychology, gender sociology, etc.


Gender studies more has to do with met analysis of other humanities. If you try to slice it up for each of the humanities it applies to, it sort of defeats the purpose of more unified theory.

When all you can do is engage in name calling... it means you have nothing to make your case on.


That's not name calling. I'm saying SJW's are progress, which you support.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Tue Dec 22, 2015 3:55 pm

Morr wrote:
Valystria wrote:Gender studies shouldn't exist as its own field. Gender can be a subfield of other fields. Gender psychology, gender sociology, etc.


Gender studies more has to do with met analysis of other humanities. If you try to slice it up for each of the humanities it applies to, it sort of defeats the purpose of more unified theory.

When all you can do is engage in name calling... it means you have nothing to make your case on.


That's not name calling. I'm saying SJW's are progress, which you support.


SJWs are regressive, not progressive.
Further, gender studies as it is currently constituted is extremely sexist and bigoted.
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There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.

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Postby Gauthier » Tue Dec 22, 2015 3:58 pm

Valystria wrote:
Dragonia Re Xzua wrote:Because Gauth doesn't let facts and logic get in the way of anything, just as long as his emotions trump everyone else, as seen in many of his posts.


Before I started over on NS I had that same off-the-wall emotional kneejerk reaction to everything, making every post as emotionally loaded as Gauthier's. Then I was given antidepressants and I've been a lot more mellow since then, focusing on actual content instead of just OH MY GOD YOU [INSERT BUZZWORD], OMG OMG [INSERT EMOTIONALLY LOADED SCENE HERE].

Seriously though, I'd recommend antidepressants to anyone who finds themselves unhealthily emotionally invested in posting. It's not okay making every post with shrilling emotional rhetoric as a standard posting style.


It's not a character attack when you do it. *nod nod*
Crimes committed by Muslims will be a pan-Islamic plot and proof of Islam's inherent evil. On the other hand crimes committed by non-Muslims will merely be the acts of loners who do not represent their belief system at all.
The probability of one's participation in homosexual acts is directly proportional to one's public disdain and disgust for homosexuals.
If a political figure makes an accusation of wrongdoing without evidence, odds are probable that the accuser or an associate thereof has in fact committed the very same act, possibly to a worse degree.
Where is your God-Emperor now?

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Postby Morr » Tue Dec 22, 2015 3:58 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Morr wrote:Who are some your favorite independent journalists?


Secular Talk is pretty good, Sargon of Akkad, Amazing Atheist, but for the most part, it's worth going to places like reddit and seeing the publics commentary on news.
Often, the upvoted comments will have citations and such pointing out why the article is a pack of lies.

A lot of articles about SJW or feminist bullshit disable comments to prevent exactly this debunking.

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