Has Political Correctness Gone too Far?

[Morr]

I think artificial insemination is very dangerous, it's the beginning of designer babies.

What's the problem there exactly?

It's the end of the massive physical bond that takes place between a mother and fetus, something of absolutely unparalleled intimacy. Equally important, it's the end of children being considered precious merely for being children, and the beginning of their value being based on their design.

[Valystria]

And cultural and social standards change over the course of time, and while gay couples cannot reproduce, they can help to ensure a future generation, whether through adoption or through artificial insemination.

I think artificial insemination is very dangerous, it's the beginning of designer babies.

You'd rather have the clusterfuck of evolution randomly hammering out designs that manage to survive with or without the support of recent technological advancements?

We could be steering human advancement towards a certain desirable direction, as we've already been doing with pets, agriculture, and whatever else. There's no reason to draw the line and stop there. We can take progress farther.

[Seperates]

Playing god, supposedly

God does not exist. It is necessary we build one.
I can think of no candidate better qualified than the human race.

I have sapiocentric megalomania.

We do have the creative and destructive abilities that are demonstrated in most faiths. They were constructed by us, likely to reflect aspects ourselves or aspects that we hoped to achieve. So technically we already have made the human race into Gods.

[Ostroeuropa]

What's the problem there exactly?

It's the end of the massive physical bond that takes place between a mother and fetus, something of absolutely unparalleled intimacy. Equally important, it's the end of children being considered precious merely for being children, and the beginning of their value being based on their design.

Pregnancy is not particularly intimate. The emotional attachment? It is unrequited.

Active hatred and malice is more intimate. Pregnancy is merely functional.

[Seperates]

I think artificial insemination is very dangerous, it's the beginning of designer babies.

You'd rather have the clusterfuck of evolution randomly hammering out designs that manage to survive with or without the support of recent technological advancements?

We could be steering human advancement towards a certain desirable direction, as we've already been doing with pets, agriculture, and whatever else. There's no reason to draw the line and stop there. We can take progress farther.

To what end? Can't believe in progress without a progression towards something,

[Morr]

I think artificial insemination is very dangerous, it's the beginning of designer babies.

You'd rather have the clusterfuck of evolution randomly hammering out designs that manage to survive with or without the support of recent technological advancements?

We could be steering human advancement towards a certain desirable direction, as we've already been doing with pets, agriculture, and whatever else. There's no reason to draw the line and stop there. We can take progress farther.

I am very wary of eugenics, yes.

[Morr]

It's the end of the massive physical bond that takes place between a mother and fetus, something of absolutely unparalleled intimacy. Equally important, it's the end of children being considered precious merely for being children, and the beginning of their value being based on their design.

Pregnancy is not particularly intimate. The emotional attachment? It is unrequited.

Active hatred and malice is more intimate. Pregnancy is merely functional.

Active hatred and malice don't involve you actually becoming one being with someone for nine months.

[Valystria]

You'd rather have the clusterfuck of evolution randomly hammering out designs that manage to survive with or without the support of recent technological advancements?

We could be steering human advancement towards a certain desirable direction, as we've already been doing with pets, agriculture, and whatever else. There's no reason to draw the line and stop there. We can take progress farther.

I am very wary of eugenics, yes.

You're arguing for eugenics by appealing to nature. You're advocating for survival of the strong, those who happen to be favoured by the evolutionary process.

You'd rather have the clusterfuck of evolution randomly hammering out designs that manage to survive with or without the support of recent technological advancements?

We could be steering human advancement towards a certain desirable direction, as we've already been doing with pets, agriculture, and whatever else. There's no reason to draw the line and stop there. We can take progress farther.

To what end? Can't believe in progress without a progression towards something,

Progression towards progress.

[Ostroeuropa]

You'd rather have the clusterfuck of evolution randomly hammering out designs that manage to survive with or without the support of recent technological advancements?

We could be steering human advancement towards a certain desirable direction, as we've already been doing with pets, agriculture, and whatever else. There's no reason to draw the line and stop there. We can take progress farther.

I am very wary of eugenics, yes.

Eugenics is occuring either way.
I would prefer we control the process rather than the happenstance of chance.

[BPSR]

I agree that political correctness has gone slightly too far. But it is useful to stop racist and totalitarian speech, such as the Nazis and Daesh.

[Seperates]

Pregnancy is not particularly intimate. The emotional attachment? It is unrequited.

Active hatred and malice is more intimate. Pregnancy is merely functional.

Active hatred and malice don't involve you actually becoming one being with someone for nine months.

I wouldn't call it 'one being' when there are active systems in place to keep the mother's body from rejecting the fetus as alien tissue. There are aspects of both conflict and 'harmonious oneness' within pregnancy.

[Seperates]

To what end? Can't believe in progress without a progression towards something,

Progression towards progress.

What is progress then?

[Ostroeuropa]

Progression towards progress.

What is progress then?

Progress (history), the idea that the world can become increasingly better in terms of science, technology, modernization, liberty, democracy, quality of life, etc.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progress_(history)

[Slakonian]

Depends on which country really. But from my perspective: they have gone too far.

[Valystria]

Active hatred and malice don't involve you actually becoming one being with someone for nine months.

I wouldn't call it 'one being' when there are active systems in place to keep the mother's body from rejecting the fetus as alien tissue. There are aspects of both conflict and 'harmonious oneness' within pregnancy.

There's also a feeling of having a body cavity invaded by a parasite that grows ever larger and larger until being ejected through the birthing canal.

Progression towards progress.

What is progress then?

Advances in science, technology, economic development, and social organization.

[Morr]

I am very wary of eugenics, yes.

You're arguing for eugenics by appealing to nature. You're advocating for survival of the strong, those who happen to be favoured by the evolutionary process.

Uh, no. Weak people can survive and reproduce.

[Morr]

I am very wary of eugenics, yes.

Eugenics is occuring either way.
I would prefer we control the process rather than the happenstance of chance.

There is no such thing as happenstance eugenics.

[Ostroeuropa]

There's also a feeling of having a body cavity invaded by a parasite that grows ever larger and larger until being ejected through the birthing canal.

You are also overcome with terrible hungers that compel you to eat unnatural things, or things you are not normally gastronomically attracted to.

Mood swings, and an inability to work at your job during late stages.

[Valystria]

You're arguing for eugenics by appealing to nature. You're advocating for survival of the strong, those who happen to be favoured by the evolutionary process.

Uh, no. Weak people can survive and reproduce.

Not the weakest. Simple edits to genetics can be made to phase out predictable defects without any detriment to human liberty.

[Morr]

Active hatred and malice don't involve you actually becoming one being with someone for nine months.

I wouldn't call it 'one being' when there are active systems in place to keep the mother's body from rejecting the fetus as alien tissue. There are aspects of both conflict and 'harmonious oneness' within pregnancy.

So are there in communion. Pregnancy is the most physically intimate relationship two humans can share.

[Seperates]

What is progress then?

Advances in science, technology, economic development, and social organization.

Ok... To what end?

[Morr]

Uh, no. Weak people can survive and reproduce.

Not the weakest. Simple edits to genetics can be made to phase out predictable defects without any detriment to human liberty.

It wouldn't stop with just minor edits to save people from things that will kill them before they grow up (which are increasingly disappearing through medical treatment anyway).

[Ostroeuropa]

Advances in science, technology, economic development, and social organization.

Ok... To what end?

They are an end in and of themselves.

[Seperates]

I wouldn't call it 'one being' when there are active systems in place to keep the mother's body from rejecting the fetus as alien tissue. There are aspects of both conflict and 'harmonious oneness' within pregnancy.

So are there in communion. Pregnancy is the most physically intimate relationship two humans can share.

I could make the same argument for a heart transplant.

How do you define 'physically intimate' though?

[Morr]

Ok... To what end?

They are an end in and of themselves.

So Whig history is neurotic in the same sense as the Protestant work ethic?