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Postby Ugatoo » Sat Dec 19, 2015 7:51 pm

Eol Sha wrote:
Ugatoo wrote:Both are Christian terrorist groups.

In what way is Westboro a terrorist group?

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Postby Terran Australis » Sat Dec 19, 2015 7:55 pm

Political Correctness. The sheer utterance of that phrase simply pisses me off.

No longer can a person express an opinion without being hounded for being "insensitive" or "intolerant". Lets, for example, open the can of worms that is forbidden to be spoken of due to PC - Islamic Terrorism.

There have been over 25,000 Islamic Terror attacks since 9/11 itself, yet if you bring this up you are a "racist" or "bigot". I'm not even going to bother with that "refugee" situation in the Mediterranean.

Oppose gay marriage? Well that makes you "homophobic" and a poor excuse for a human, apparently. Hypocritical as well, since the same freedom of speech that you used to advance your rights you are now stripping from another. (This in no way means I oppose Gay Marriage, it is just a shining example)

70 years ago, we had 18 year olds running into machine guns, storming beaches and jumping out of aeroplanes. Now we need "safe rooms" because "words hurt"

What the actual hell is wrong with our society?

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Postby Ugatoo » Sat Dec 19, 2015 8:11 pm

Terran Australis wrote:Political Correctness. The sheer utterance of that phrase simply pisses me off.

No longer can a person express an opinion without being hounded for being "insensitive" or "intolerant". Lets, for example, open the can of worms that is forbidden to be spoken of due to PC - Islamic Terrorism.

So you're upset that people are using their freedom of speech to express their opinion about your views?

Terran Australis wrote:Oppose gay marriage? Well that makes you "homophobic" and a poor excuse for a human, apparently. Hypocritical as well, since the same freedom of speech that you used to advance your rights you are now stripping from another. (This in no way means I oppose Gay Marriage, it is just a shining example)

Yes denying someone rights based on their sexual orientation does make you homophobic. The rights that make me as a gay man equal to straight people do not protect religions from indoctrinating people into hate groups

Terran Australis wrote:70 years ago, we had 18 year olds running into machine guns, storming beaches and jumping out of aeroplanes. Now we need "safe rooms" because "words hurt"

What the actual hell is wrong with our society?

We know more about PTSD than we did 70 years ago. Words do hurt, they can drive people to suicide as well as bring them back from the brink.
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Postby Tule » Sat Dec 19, 2015 8:39 pm

In my experience, those who complain about political correctness tend to have pretty awful political stances.

"I think we need to round up all the black people and sterilize them, but you can't say that of course because it's politically incorrect!"

Yeah, no. The real reason why you can't say that is because you are advocating brutal human rights violations.
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Postby Keyboard Warriors » Sat Dec 19, 2015 9:48 pm

Terran Australis wrote:Political Correctness. The sheer utterance of that phrase simply pisses me off.

No longer can a person express an opinion without being hounded for being "insensitive" or "intolerant". Lets, for example, open the can of worms that is forbidden to be spoken of due to PC - Islamic Terrorism.

There have been over 25,000 Islamic Terror attacks since 9/11 itself, yet if you bring this up you are a "racist" or "bigot". I'm not even going to bother with that "refugee" situation in the Mediterranean.

Oppose gay marriage? Well that makes you "homophobic" and a poor excuse for a human, apparently. Hypocritical as well, since the same freedom of speech that you used to advance your rights you are now stripping from another. (This in no way means I oppose Gay Marriage, it is just a shining example)

70 years ago, we had 18 year olds running into machine guns, storming beaches and jumping out of aeroplanes. Now we need "safe rooms" because "words hurt"

What the actual hell is wrong with our society?

People like you; special little snowflakes who cry about political correctness every time some mean, nasty people on the internet disagree with what you say. Grow a thicker skin.
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Postby Brickistan » Sun Dec 20, 2015 1:56 am

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There's nothing like 'regulated free speech'. You can have either free speech or censorship, therefore tyranny. There's nothing between, although people claim there is. But there isn't.

When you start with ban of words, change of words and you must force some kind of conformity to people under threats of penalty, prosecution, public humiliation, you must know, how it will inevitably end.

When you don't regulate what people say, people like Donald Trump become legitimate contenders to become head of state.


I'm not really a fan of limiting speech like that. Sure, Trump and Carson et al says some very stupid things. But you don't have to ban that, all you need is for the media to call them out on it.

The real issue here is twofold. Firstly that the US media has been swallowed up by giant corporations and are now twisting and turning everything to suit the agenda of its owner. Secondly, that the US public in general seems to be woefully uninformed on most issues, and completely lacking critical thinking.

This has created an environment where lunatics in the GOP can freely say and do whatever they want without getting called out for it.

The best counter to people like that isn't to limit their right of speech, but rather to have a free and independent media and an informed public.

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Postby Modern Skaaneland » Sun Dec 20, 2015 2:11 am

"Has Political Correctness Gone too Far?"

Yes it has and not just a little.
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Postby Socialist Czechia » Sun Dec 20, 2015 5:10 am

As a marxist-leninist, I totally find it hilarious, that western left created this 'correctness' during Cold War, to avoid conflicts: which should be, in fact, welcomed: conflict, struggle, revolution, that's the core of it.

Basically, through correctness, Labour Party, SPD and others tried to make us all impotent and defunct talkers, not revolutionaries anymore.

That's the most disgusting thing about political correctness for me. Every time, when I visit any 'leftist' conference, debate or fest, be it in Strasbourg or Berlin, I see that these people are sheeps indoctrinated by politically correct dictionary from their local parties.
Not even tiny bit of revolutionary thinking anywhere to find there.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sun Dec 20, 2015 6:16 am

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Soldati senza confini wrote:
So, basically, what I suggested pages ago and just kick their ass or shoot at them instead of using words?


We doesn't have to be so brutal.

However, I am sure, that if any nazi in my homeland had balls to celebrate Fuhrer in front of synagogue, Jews inside totally doesn't have to call the police: people there still remembers German occupation and their plan to exterminate us as 'filthy subhuman Slavs', so their asses would be possibly kicked by everyone around: from local football hooligans to 80-year old guys with sticks :D

Or they would just made some epic humiliating fun from them. We are nation of trolls.


Well, yes, but you're just reinforcing my point. That if you don't regulate speech, people then can't complain about private violence on individuals for voicing an opinion.

You can't have it both ways.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sun Dec 20, 2015 6:18 am

Terran Australis wrote:Political Correctness. The sheer utterance of that phrase simply pisses me off.

No longer can a person express an opinion without being hounded for being "insensitive" or "intolerant". Lets, for example, open the can of worms that is forbidden to be spoken of due to PC - Islamic Terrorism.

There have been over 25,000 Islamic Terror attacks since 9/11 itself, yet if you bring this up you are a "racist" or "bigot". I'm not even going to bother with that "refugee" situation in the Mediterranean.

Oppose gay marriage? Well that makes you "homophobic" and a poor excuse for a human, apparently. Hypocritical as well, since the same freedom of speech that you used to advance your rights you are now stripping from another. (This in no way means I oppose Gay Marriage, it is just a shining example)

70 years ago, we had 18 year olds running into machine guns, storming beaches and jumping out of aeroplanes. Now we need "safe rooms" because "words hurt"

What the actual hell is wrong with our society?


No, I mean, you can voice these opinions. We're just going to call bullshit on you and will call you homophobic.

That's not saying anything new. If you are an asshole expect to be treated like one. You don't like it? Too fucking bad.
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Postby The Lone Alliance » Sun Dec 20, 2015 6:20 am

Jochistan wrote:It stifles discussion, encourages stagnation and while the concept of respecting everyone whether they're Liberal or other Liberal is alright, it just ends up with a clusterfuck of whiny people.

Pretty much, and they're basically just a bunch of Zealot hold overs who are now rushing windmills because there's no real valuable things to go after. I mean seriously Micro Aggressions?

Jochistan wrote:Now on the other Hand, You got natsocs from /pol/ and shit. Basically shitting all over everything with their ridiculously extreme views and smarmy commentary. (seriously, what normal person gives a shit about Race Mixing, unironically?)
The fucking moment you say something even remotely interpretable as liberal. Or defend something SJW's defend (albeit never in the same way)

They are literally just the polar opposite of a SJW, just as annoying arrogant, and assholish... though to their credit at least they don't support censorship... only because they want the right to argue everyones ears off with their stupid theories.

Jochistan wrote:Basically, the two have essentially taken over and radicalized their respective sides of the political spectrum and carve up their territory on the internet. leaving normal people or at least not people like them in the crossfire.

Pretty much, and quite frankly I think in the end it's not going to be pretty for either side because while the former at least has more support the latter are completely impossible to attack.

You can't convince them to change their views because they know their views are abhorrent and you can't even try to ruin their lives because you can't figure out who they are. They have complete Freedom from Accountability. Your only hope would be to end online Anonymity or implement forced censorship.

Ugatoo wrote:When you don't regulate what people say, people like Donald Trump become legitimate contenders to become head of state.
And you're an idiot if you believe that regulating what people say magically ends bigotry, just look at Europe where speech is regulated, still doesn't stop the far right nationalist parties from gaining support.

Literally if said speech hadn't been 'unofficially regulated' people like Donald Trump would have never become so popular in the first place. If people had simply ignored Trump's racist rants no one would have given a fuck about him.

Keyboard Warriors wrote:People like you; special little snowflakes who cry about political correctness Trolls every time some mean, nasty people on the internet disagree with what you say. Grow a thicker skin.
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Postby Rodrania » Sun Dec 20, 2015 6:21 am

Political correctness hasn't gone TOO far yet, but it might really soon IMO.

Right now, it's more of an internet problem, so it can be ignored. But in the future it might reach the world's government and cause everyone to go full retarded over any slight joke or different opinion.

Seriously, I know people that got awfully mad and called me so many different names I forgot when I said a small Jew joke to a Jewish friend (And he laughed his ass off and proceeded to make an Argie joke, to which I laughed too) when said guy wasn't even Jewish himself.

I mean, I'm an asshole, I can't deny that. But for fuck's sake, what's the need to get so offended over a joke when it's nothing more than a joke? I'm absurdly liberal, maybe too much for my own good, why would I really believe the holocaust isn't real or that all Muslims are terrorists? Some people just act like the moral police.
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Postby Pulau Singapura » Sun Dec 20, 2015 6:25 am

Yes, because you should be able to have your own opinion (without breaking basic moral laws of course)
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Postby Keyboard Warriors » Sun Dec 20, 2015 7:49 am

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Keyboard Warriors wrote:People like you; special little snowflakes who cry about political correctness Trolls every time some mean, nasty people on the internet disagree with what you say. Grow a thicker skin.
Tell the fixed quote to Tumblr and let me know how long it takes before they call for your head.. :P

If you're attempting to set up a comparison, would you mind telling me why presumably benevolent people attempting to have an adult discussion should be compared to twats who troll?
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Postby LaVeyan Stirnerite Randroids » Sun Dec 20, 2015 8:30 am

Socialist Czechia wrote:As a marxist-leninist, I totally find it hilarious, that western left created this 'correctness' during Cold War, to avoid conflicts: which should be, in fact, welcomed: conflict, struggle, revolution, that's the core of it.

Basically, through correctness, Labour Party, SPD and others tried to make us all impotent and defunct talkers, not revolutionaries anymore.

That's the most disgusting thing about political correctness for me. Every time, when I visit any 'leftist' conference, debate or fest, be it in Strasbourg or Berlin, I see that these people are sheeps indoctrinated by politically correct dictionary from their local parties.
Not even tiny bit of revolutionary thinking anywhere to find there.

SPD used to fuck nazis up on the streets of Germany though. I would think it's more about a time period people live in and then root for a certain ideology, rather than it being the cause of the ideology itself.
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Postby Llamalandia » Sun Dec 20, 2015 12:46 pm

Isn't political correctness like a soviet idea to begin with? So yeah, why is anyone surprised that trying to repress free discourse and speech in the name of "civility" would be taken to insane extremes?

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Socialist Czechia wrote:As a marxist-leninist, I totally find it hilarious, that western left created this 'correctness' during Cold War, to avoid conflicts: which should be, in fact, welcomed: conflict, struggle, revolution, that's the core of it.

Basically, through correctness, Labour Party, SPD and others tried to make us all impotent and defunct talkers, not revolutionaries anymore.

That's the most disgusting thing about political correctness for me. Every time, when I visit any 'leftist' conference, debate or fest, be it in Strasbourg or Berlin, I see that these people are sheeps indoctrinated by politically correct dictionary from their local parties.
Not even tiny bit of revolutionary thinking anywhere to find there.


It wasn't created by the general left to avoid conflicts. It was created by certain leftists to mock orthodox Marxists who would only listen to approved songs, watch approved films, read approved books, and so on.

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Postby Holy Christian Palestine » Sun Dec 20, 2015 1:53 pm

It has gone way too far. My school had to permanently cancel a Christmas pageant years ago because of political correctness. They did not want to offend anyone who does not celebrate Christmas. It was a tradition at my school. Leftist political correctness canceled it. That is an example of political correctness.
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Holy Christian Palestine wrote:It has gone way too far. My school had to permanently cancel a Christmas pageant years ago because of political correctness. They did not want to offend anyone who does not celebrate Christmas. It was a tradition at my school. Leftist political correctness canceled it. That is an example of political correctness.


If this was an American public school, then it's really more about not wanting tax dollars to go into promoting a particular religion than it is about offense.

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Postby MERIZoC » Sun Dec 20, 2015 2:01 pm

Pulau Singapura wrote:Yes, because you should be able to have your own opinion (without breaking basic moral laws of course)

I can't be the only one to find this laughably ironic in so many ways.

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Postby The Tungsten Horde (Ancient) » Sun Dec 20, 2015 2:12 pm

Terran Australis wrote:Political Correctness. The sheer utterance of that phrase simply pisses me off.

No longer can a person express an opinion without being hounded for being "insensitive" or "intolerant". Lets, for example, open the can of worms that is forbidden to be spoken of due to PC - Islamic Terrorism.

There have been over 25,000 Islamic Terror attacks since 9/11 itself, yet if you bring this up you are a "racist" or "bigot". I'm not even going to bother with that "refugee" situation in the Mediterranean.

Oppose gay marriage? Well that makes you "homophobic" and a poor excuse for a human, apparently. Hypocritical as well, since the same freedom of speech that you used to advance your rights you are now stripping from another. (This in no way means I oppose Gay Marriage, it is just a shining example)

70 years ago, we had 18 year olds running into machine guns, storming beaches and jumping out of aeroplanes. Now we need "safe rooms" because "words hurt"

What the actual hell is wrong with our society?

You know the difference between 70 years ago and today?

70 Years ago, when somebody said something racist, and you called them a racist, they said, "Yeah."

These days somebody says something racist, and you call them out about it, and they cry "How dare you call me a racist! You don't know me! You're just trying to censor free speech! PC gone mad!"

You make it out like it's society that's gone all soft, but in fact it's you.

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Postby Neues Nationalsozialistiches Reich » Mon Dec 21, 2015 6:44 am

Although PC is a very laughable concept, it serves a purpose- exposing how soft, petty and childish our society is.

When someone sane says something that could potential be interpreted as racist/sexist, SJWs will sound the alarm bells of "CIS scum" "racist" "sexist" and "patriarchy" and will run crying for a safe space. When someone says something actually offensive and a sane person calls them out, they will cry and say "how dare you call me racist you SJW! PC gone mad!".

PC and anti-PC is like a war of two gangs of lunatics fighting against each other, with sane persons caught in the crossfire.
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Postby Kallen » Mon Dec 21, 2015 8:26 am

Yes.

In the end, you're always going to end up offending someone, somewhere down the line.

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Postby Jamzmania » Mon Dec 21, 2015 9:58 am

The Tungsten Horde wrote:
Terran Australis wrote:Political Correctness. The sheer utterance of that phrase simply pisses me off.

No longer can a person express an opinion without being hounded for being "insensitive" or "intolerant". Lets, for example, open the can of worms that is forbidden to be spoken of due to PC - Islamic Terrorism.

There have been over 25,000 Islamic Terror attacks since 9/11 itself, yet if you bring this up you are a "racist" or "bigot". I'm not even going to bother with that "refugee" situation in the Mediterranean.

Oppose gay marriage? Well that makes you "homophobic" and a poor excuse for a human, apparently. Hypocritical as well, since the same freedom of speech that you used to advance your rights you are now stripping from another. (This in no way means I oppose Gay Marriage, it is just a shining example)

70 years ago, we had 18 year olds running into machine guns, storming beaches and jumping out of aeroplanes. Now we need "safe rooms" because "words hurt"

What the actual hell is wrong with our society?

You know the difference between 70 years ago and today?

70 Years ago, when somebody said something racist, and you called them a racist, they said, "Yeah."

These days somebody says something racist, and you call them out about it, and they cry "How dare you call me a racist! You don't know me! You're just trying to censor free speech! PC gone mad!"

You make it out like it's society that's gone all soft, but in fact it's you.

The problem is that, most of the time, what is being said is not racist and they are only accusing one of racism in order to silence them. They don't have to argue with them if they can just dismiss them as a "racist," after all.
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Postby Jamzmania » Mon Dec 21, 2015 9:59 am

Neues Nationalsozialistiches Reich wrote:Although PC is a very laughable concept, it serves a purpose- exposing how soft, petty and childish our society is.

When someone sane says something that could potential be interpreted as racist/sexist, SJWs will sound the alarm bells of "CIS scum" "racist" "sexist" and "patriarchy" and will run crying for a safe space. When someone says something actually offensive and a sane person calls them out, they will cry and say "how dare you call me racist you SJW! PC gone mad!".

PC and anti-PC is like a war of two gangs of lunatics fighting against each other, with sane persons caught in the crossfire.

How is fighting against political correctness being a lunatic?

Political correctness is just a form of censorship and an attempt to control language.
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