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Postby Ugatoo » Wed Dec 16, 2015 9:02 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Ugatoo wrote:So white south africans aren't african?


They are ethnically South African, but their ancestry dates back to the European colonization.

So would a White south african who immigrates to the us be african american?
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Postby MERIZoC » Wed Dec 16, 2015 9:22 pm

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Soldati senza confini wrote:
They are ethnically South African, but their ancestry dates back to the European colonization.

So would a White south african who immigrates to the us be african american?

No, as we've established. And again, that's beside the point of political correctness.

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Postby Geilinor » Wed Dec 16, 2015 9:24 pm

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Ugatoo wrote:So would a White south african who immigrates to the us be african american?

No, as we've established.

Are they not African in one way?
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Postby MERIZoC » Wed Dec 16, 2015 9:34 pm

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Merizoc wrote:No, as we've established.

Are they not African in one way?

Yes, they are. However, african-american does not mean "person who has previously resided in Africa now living in America."

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Postby Ugatoo » Wed Dec 16, 2015 9:37 pm

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Geilinor wrote:Are they not African in one way?

Yes, they are. However, african-american does not mean "person who has previously resided in Africa now living in America."

No it means someone who is of african decent now living in america. Like a white south african.
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Wed Dec 16, 2015 9:38 pm

There's a reason I don't even use the term African-American. It's silly, pointless, inconsistent and confusing. "Black" is not considered offensive in any way, and there's no reason not to use it.
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Postby Ugatoo » Wed Dec 16, 2015 9:41 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:There's a reason I don't even use the term African-American. It's silly, pointless, inconsistent and confusing. "Black" is not considered offensive in any way, and there's no reason not to use it.

I would argue that african american is actually a racial term/slur as it does not acknowlege white africans
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Postby MERIZoC » Wed Dec 16, 2015 9:46 pm

Ugatoo wrote:
Merizoc wrote:Yes, they are. However, african-american does not mean "person who has previously resided in Africa now living in America."

No it means someone who is of african decent now living in america. Like a white south african.

White south africans are not of African descent, unless you want to consider the entire world to be so.

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Postby MERIZoC » Wed Dec 16, 2015 9:47 pm

Ugatoo wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:There's a reason I don't even use the term African-American. It's silly, pointless, inconsistent and confusing. "Black" is not considered offensive in any way, and there's no reason not to use it.

I would argue that african american is actually a racial term/slur as it does not acknowlege white africans

:rofl:

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Wed Dec 16, 2015 11:34 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:There's a reason I don't even use the term African-American. It's silly, pointless, inconsistent and confusing. "Black" is not considered offensive in any way, and there's no reason not to use it.


Oh dear God, this ^

I don't only agree with the above, many black people actually say that to me whenever I use the term "African American".
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Wed Dec 16, 2015 11:36 pm

Ugatoo wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
They are ethnically South African, but their ancestry dates back to the European colonization.

So would a White south african who immigrates to the us be african american?


They would be in theory South African - American, but that's just a moniker to mean a naturalized citizen, same as I am a Salvadoran American.
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Postby Socialist Czechia » Thu Dec 17, 2015 12:16 am

I was truly perplexed, that someone consider even word 'black' racist.
I mean, it doesn't make sense, when someone is totally black but I can't call him black. Even if he's so black, that he's almost invisible at night.

Dark people would sound cool too, I guess :P Sounds like someone who would serve Sauron :D
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Postby Gauthier » Thu Dec 17, 2015 12:22 am

Socialist Czechia wrote:I was truly perplexed, that someone consider even word 'black' racist.
I mean, it doesn't make sense, when someone is totally black but I can't call him black. Even if he's so black, that he's almost invisible at night.

Dark people would sound cool too, I guess :P Sounds like someone who would serve Sauron :D


I'm guessing it's because "black" used to be a synonym for "nigger" long ago.
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Postby The Hairy Men of God » Thu Dec 17, 2015 12:24 am

I say all political correctness shouldn't exist at all. Adults shouldn't be scared of words. If a racial slur offends you, work all the other to prove the negative aspects of it wrong. Etc.

It'll diminish in time though, it always does. Remember, "it's gotta get worse before it gets better."
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Postby Keyboard Warriors » Thu Dec 17, 2015 1:22 am

The Hairy Men of God wrote:I say all political correctness shouldn't exist at all. Adults shouldn't be scared of words. If a racial slur offends you, work all the other to prove the negative aspects of it wrong. Etc.

It'll diminish in time though, it always does. Remember, "it's gotta get worse before it gets better."

Really? The neighborhood Donald Trump stands on the soapbox to preach about wetbacks and sand niggers and you seriously expect people to attempt to have a reasonable discussion with them? Every time? Instead of just telling them to fuck off? Classic.
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Postby Rajnostan » Thu Dec 17, 2015 1:27 am

Don't blame this SJW bullshit on leftists. Leftists aren't psycho fucks without a sense of humour. That is a tool of liberals to divide the people.
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Postby Socialist Czechia » Thu Dec 17, 2015 2:38 am

Gauthier wrote:
Socialist Czechia wrote:I was truly perplexed, that someone consider even word 'black' racist.
I mean, it doesn't make sense, when someone is totally black but I can't call him black. Even if he's so black, that he's almost invisible at night.

Dark people would sound cool too, I guess :P Sounds like someone who would serve Sauron :D


I'm guessing it's because "black" used to be a synonym for "nigger" long ago.


When I use word 'black' it's because person is black. I think people are too oversensitive these days about Oldspeak terms.

I know a guy who almost got himself into hospital, because he called someone in New Orleans 'boy' :D
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Postby Dragonia Re Xzua » Thu Dec 17, 2015 3:12 pm

Socialist Czechia wrote:
Gauthier wrote:
I'm guessing it's because "black" used to be a synonym for "nigger" long ago.


When I use word 'black' it's because person is black. I think people are too oversensitive these days about Oldspeak terms.

That's the PC Brigade for you, always looking for ways to be offended. Sometimes they decide to be creative.

I know a guy who almost got himself into hospital, because he called someone in New Orleans 'boy' :D

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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Thu Dec 17, 2015 6:21 pm

Dragonia Re Xzua wrote:
Socialist Czechia wrote:
When I use word 'black' it's because person is black. I think people are too oversensitive these days about Oldspeak terms.

That's the PC Brigade for you, always looking for ways to be offended. Sometimes they decide to be creative.

I know a guy who almost got himself into hospital, because he called someone in New Orleans 'boy' :D

I rest my case.


That's not hypersensitivity. That's a response to an actual insulting term.

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Postby Socialist Latin American States » Thu Dec 17, 2015 7:57 pm

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Dragonia Re Xzua wrote:That's the PC Brigade for you, always looking for ways to be offended. Sometimes they decide to be creative.


I rest my case.


That's not hypersensitivity. That's a response to an actual insulting term.




well in all honesty yes it is but still, we should be able to express our feelings and opinions without fear of violence, what else is democracy for? if someone dosn't like other groups of people maybe they should just avoid them. However i think it may just be better if we learn how tolerate other peoples differing views...
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Thu Dec 17, 2015 8:03 pm

Socialist Latin American States wrote:
Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
That's not hypersensitivity. That's a response to an actual insulting term.




well in all honesty yes it is but still, we should be able to express our feelings and opinions without fear of violence, what else is democracy for? if someone dosn't like other groups of people maybe they should just avoid them. However i think it may just be better if we learn how tolerate other peoples differing views...


This is true.

And I mean, in our current time there hasn't been a more tolerant time in history. However, we could do with more tolerance.

However, the question becomes, just how far do we stretch our tolerance of people? Up until what point do we say "this is okay"?
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Postby Socialist Latin American States » Thu Dec 17, 2015 8:08 pm

simple, its one thing to have a view, its one thing to say something , however its a complete another thing to do something about it

assuming people don't act on it i don't care about their feelings

i am Hispanic and white (mixed) people have said very offensive things to me and my family, it doesn't bother me because there just words. i am sure some of the people i met in my life didn't like me because of this but i don't care there entitled to there feelings and all..

political correctness doesn't make anything better because people still hold these feelings of dislike... how can we talk about our problems and differences if liberals keep trying to sweep them under the rug?



i am from the United States so maybe my experience is weird?
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Thu Dec 17, 2015 8:15 pm

Socialist Latin American States wrote:simple, its one thing to have a view, its one thing to say something , however its a complete another thing to do something about it

assuming people don't act on it i don't care about their feelings

i am Hispanic and white (mixed) people have said very offensive things to me and my family, it doesn't bother me because there just words. i am sure some of the people i met in my life didn't like me because of this but i don't care there entitled to there feelings and all..

political correctness doesn't make anything better because people still hold these feelings of dislike... how can we talk about our problems and differences if liberals keep trying to sweep them under the rug?



i am from the United States so maybe my experience is weird?


Nah, it's not, I am a white Latino myself, and I have the same opinion as you in regards of political correctness. That it actually sweeps the problems under a rug. I get people expect certain levels of decor in any setting, and that's not necessarily political correctness (for instance, how you are allowed to say things in school is different than how you are allowed to say thing to your friends, different situational awareness), however, I think that there are several instances where maybe you aren't supposed to say what you want to say (for instance yelling "nigger" in a black neighborhood).

In my personal opinion, political correctness (as in, the principle that you need to understand that your words have an impact) is okay, it's basically what you and I probably grew up knowing as "manners" and "respect". However, in practice, trying to "sanitize" conversation? It doesn't really work, the feelings are still there, like you said. So I am ambivalent on the issue myself, but not because I think I deserve to be an asshole to other people (unlike a majority of people who complain about political correctness are prone to do) but because it helps to know who are the assholes in this world and their ideas.
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Postby MERIZoC » Thu Dec 17, 2015 8:22 pm

Socialist Czechia wrote:
Gauthier wrote:
I'm guessing it's because "black" used to be a synonym for "nigger" long ago.


When I use word 'black' it's because person is black. I think people are too oversensitive these days about Oldspeak terms.

I know a guy who almost got himself into hospital, because he called someone in New Orleans 'boy' :D

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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Fri Dec 18, 2015 1:03 am

Socialist Latin American States wrote:
Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
That's not hypersensitivity. That's a response to an actual insulting term.




well in all honesty yes it is but still, we should be able to express our feelings and opinions without fear of violence, what else is democracy for? if someone dosn't like other groups of people maybe they should just avoid them. However i think it may just be better if we learn how tolerate other peoples differing views...


I absolutely agree, and the person who assaulted him should face the consequences of that. However, that term was used to dehumanize and emasculate black men during the Jim Crow era by people who found the word "nigger" to be too crass to use in polite company. If you get assaulted for using it insultingly, then the person who assaulted you needs to face justice for that, but come on: don't act surprised that it happened.

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