Has Political Correctness Gone too Far?

[Royal Hindustan]

If you want to control your speech, then that's your duty, not mine. Don't want to say "illegal alien"? Don't say it, but can't stop me from saying it. You want to control your own thoughts, fine do it. Can't control my thoughts.

And you can't keep people from criticizing your choice of words, either.

Of course I can't. That's the point of free speech.

[Neues Nationalsozialistiches Reich]

Political correctness has exposed how petty society, particularly US society, has begone. Most of the left has become a bunch of morons ranting about safe spaces, trigger warnings, patriarchy and other imaginary concepts, while most of the right is all about 1488, Jesus, fluoride, and other figments of their imagination. There are still those on both sides who hold on to saner opinions, but they are not as sensationalized as "hetero white CIS scum racists" or "PC gone mad" type opinions. Being heterosexual, making jokes or being reasonable is being labelled as "sexist" and "racist" by thin-skinned crybabies while acceptance of diversity is being interpreted as "social justice" by rednecks yelling 1488.

All the SJWs, white supremacists, black supremacists, fundamental Christians, jihadists, and all others holding fringe/ultra orthodox beliefs apparently just want to have their opinion dominate, with all who oppose perishing in a race/sex war, crusade, jihad, or massacre. They don't want to have their stance examined by a reasonable third party (accusations from the enemy feeds the fire). Criticism of your side and praise for the enemies is verboten in their book. Inflaming petty issues to relevance is really stupid, but now that the issues are there, they cannot be ignored. The best thing to do (in my opinion), is have relevant experts analyze the issues involved then come up with a synthesis of credible elements of both stances, while all parties involved purge those with fringe beliefs from their camps, since wackos have distorted the beliefs of the left, center and right into childish bullshit and buried society under a mountain of it.

[Alvecia]

Honestly, I'm not convinced that overly PC is as big a problem as people seem to make it out to be.
I think it's fallen victim to the same thing that people accuse mass shootings of (clarification, not comparing the two) in that the media, mainstream and otherwise, tend to make a big deal out of it. It gets a lot of attention because people give it a lot of attention, but it's a tiny movement.

[Neues Nationalsozialistiches Reich]

Honestly, I'm not convinced that overly PC is as big a problem as people seem to make it out to be.
I think it's fallen victim to the same thing that people accuse mass shootings of (clarification, not comparing the two) in that the media, mainstream and otherwise, tend to make a big deal out of it. It gets a lot of attention because people give it a lot of attention, but it's a tiny movement.

Although the PC movement is merely a petty crybaby, it's cry has been noticed by everyone. The PC movement is an expert in attracting attention, with their use of loaded words and the appeal to pity. People notice it because they prefer emotionalism to reason, and now it has attention, it has made an effect on society. Although their arguments are rubbish, calling their critics racists and sexists, while some of their enemies counter by pointing out their nonsense in a manner leaning towards their opinion, making it look like there is only them and the SJWs. and we have a negative feedback cycle that serves the PC cause by giving it attention, while giving unsavory causes a scapegoat.

[Gauthier]

There is this option called 'Ignore' if you're such a fan.

I prefer the option where I call out the tripe you post as the bullshit it is, but thanks for the reminder that such an option exists.

Nietzsche knew what he was talking about.

[Ugatoo]

As a non-American I have such a love for the subtle racism of the PC movement.

Take the term 'African American', a term that refers exclusively to black US citizens.
There are white families in Africa that have been there longer than many slaves in the US, but if a white south African were to immigrate to the US they would be 'white' and not African American.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Everyone says that yet there is no evidence that this is the case.

Look at the example Coldwater cited of Yale university. A perfectly rational and reasonable email calling upon students to reflect and contemplate led to calls for resignations. The atlantic article does an excellent job of demonstrating the difference between how these two professors sought to respect students by engaging in respectful and thoughtful debate, whilst those students were calling for their jobs because the professors sought to debate.

It would be like you calling for me to be perma-banned because I have the temerity to question one of your posts, and then magnified to the point where not only would you want me banned from here, but you'd want me fired from the my job where I wrote this hypothetical response. Obviously the actions of a large number (Hundreds signed an open letter calling for the professors resignation according to the article) of students in one University can not be taken to be truly representative of all millenials, and of course some of the complaints by Yale students (if shown to be true, but apparently have been deemed groundless) are perfectly reasonable grounds for protest and calls for reform.

This isn't neccessarily about students being more or less sensitive than preceeding generations (and I think the jury is out on that right now), but rather the tactics employed to express their outrage. Calling for resignations for professors who simply question the prevailing narrative amongst students, for example.

There is this option called 'Ignore' if you're such a fan.

I prefer the option where I call out the tripe you post as the bullshit it is, but thanks for the reminder that such an option exists.

See, the way we did things back in the old days was you either got shot or you got your ass kicked for being stupid. They didn't have to make protests because back then you'd be less likely to say stupid shit again if you got your ass kicked.

So I suppose getting shot at was better than expressing outrage with your words? And before you say "oh this never happened in the UK that I know of" I know, but it happened here in the United States, it still happens. So if you think the times have changed you're wrong, they haven't. You're just looking at people using their voices more, but that doesn't mean times have changed at all. Not one bit has changed from the 50s until now, and the tactics used by others are very light nowadays by millennials as compared to older people who grew up under a different environment.

You have cited instances that, to me, simply look like some people got rubbed the wrong way with how the teachers were approaching the subject. That has nothing to do with "political correctness" but rather with the general flow of life: that you simply will find stupid people, and assholes in your life. Also, it might just be me, but there might be something else you're not being told about the story, as per the media likes to do. So I would take that as simply another incident of some assholes doing asshole things.

Also, you know I wouldn't call to be permabanned and whatnot, do you know why that is? Because I prefer to drag you through the mud with my words. I could call for you to be permabanned, I could tell you in TG "let's meet in Boston on January 19th at 3pm motherfucker", and I might get my way, but you have one advantage: I'm not the kind of person looking out for blood. I am not other people. You have to be aware of the fact that, while you can come to NSG and talk all kinds of bullshit, you can't do the same in the real world out there because your opinion can get you killed.

[The Lone Alliance]

What would your solution be? To prevent the students from calling for his resignation?
Sure the students are out of line, but what can you really do other than try to educate them, that won't violate what you are trying to protect?

Mail the people who signed the petition applications to the nearest pre-school.

[Keyboard Warriors]

All of his post is correct.

Nope, it isn't.

Funnily enough, the term PC is treated exactly like the term "feminism" on NSG

You mean as a term that should be open to criticism? Absolutely. Lets not patronise and mollycoddle either feminism or PC. Instead of whining about being criticised, have an argument that stands up to scrutiny.

Funny that you would say this, considering most of the time which "fucking political correctness" gets brought up is when Person X makes an argument, Person Y scrutinizes it and Person X starts bitching about how nobody agrees with them because everybody is too politically correct. In fact, the second part of your statement is fantastic advice; I'd be more than happy to tell people whining about political correctness to produce an argument which stands up to scrutiny.

a bogeyword which nobody wants to be associated with despite often believing (or claiming to believe) in the same collective set of values which the term refers too.

This is fallacious reasoning. Being x therefore y simply does not stand up to scrutiny.

You might as well insist that walking so fast that oftentimes neither of your feet are touching the ground doesn't mean inherently mean you're running. Pointless grandstanding to pander to your own irrational conceptions about a social term that's essentially wrong anyway. I don't know why you bother with it. Instead of contorting the meaning and usage of political correctness and feminism hard enough to make a gymnast wince, what's the big deal in admitting "hey, maybe this political correctness stuff isn't all that bad"?

[Earth c-137 (Ancient)]

political correctness = don't be an asshole.

Dunno what the OP is going on about

[Latlandia]

Really depends on the country. Maybe it`s gone a bit too far in the weatern countries. Nearly everywhere else- no. It exists but it hasn`t gotten too far.

[The Lone Alliance]

political correctness = don't be an asshole.

Dunno what the OP is going on about

False, you can be a politically correct asshole.

[Keyboard Warriors]

political correctness = don't be an asshole.

Dunno what the OP is going on about

False, you can be a politically correct asshole.

Yes, but if you're a politically correct asshole it means you're not a racist, homophobic, sexist asshole which, at the very least, is something. And before you say "b-b-but you can be those things AND be politically correct", no, you can't.

[Gauthier]

False, you can be a politically correct asshole.

Yes, but if you're a politically correct asshole it means you're not a racist, homophobic, sexist asshole which, at the very least, is something. And before you say "b-b-but you can be those things AND be politically correct", no, you can't.

Most people complaining about political correctness seem like they wish it was again socially acceptable to call someone a Nigger Faggot and demand that Bitches suck someone's dick.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Yes, but if you're a politically correct asshole it means you're not a racist, homophobic, sexist asshole which, at the very least, is something. And before you say "b-b-but you can be those things AND be politically correct", no, you can't.

Most people complaining about political correctness seem like they wish it was again socially acceptable to call someone a Nigger Faggot and demand that Bitches suck someone's dick.

So most people complaining about political correctness play on XBOX Live?

[Gauthier]

Most people complaining about political correctness seem like they wish it was again socially acceptable to call someone a Nigger Faggot and demand that Bitches suck someone's dick.

So most people complaining about political correctness play on XBOX Live?

Pretty much.

[Liriena]

Most people complaining about political correctness seem like they wish it was again socially acceptable to call someone a Nigger Faggot and demand that Bitches suck someone's dick.

So most people complaining about political correctness play on XBOX Live?

*shudder*

[The Lone Alliance]

See, the way we did things back in the old days was you either got shot or you got your ass kicked for being stupid. They didn't have to make protests because back then you'd be less likely to say stupid shit again if you got your ass kicked.

In the good old days all these protesters would have their ass kicked because they're the ones being stupid.

So I suppose getting shot at was better than expressing outrage with your words? And before you say "oh this never happened in the UK that I know of" I know, but it happened here in the United States, it still happens.

Yeah like that Black guy who shot those reporters on live TV under the claim that they oppressed him with 'micro aggression's when he worked there... when he was just a paranoid lunatic who saw racism in absolutely everything.

So if you think the times have changed you're wrong, they haven't. You're just looking at people using their voices more, but that doesn't mean times have changed at all. Not one bit has changed from the 50s until now, and the tactics used by others are very light nowadays by millennials as compared to older people who grew up under a different environment.

The older generation wouldn't protest because this situation would have never happened in the first place. People these days are addicted to being offended.

You have cited instances that, to me, simply look like some people got rubbed the wrong way with how the teachers were approaching the subject. That has nothing to do with "political correctness" but rather with the general flow of life: that you simply will find stupid people, and assholes in your life.

Except do you know why they got rubbed the wrong way?

The students wanted the professor to ban Halloween costumes that could be seen as "cultural appropriation" and the professor basically wrote an email saying we're supposed to be able to handle seeing things that offend us and that it's not their place to do that.

Let's also note that on NSG complaining "Cultural Appropriation" is seen as a stupid cause.

Also, it might just be me, but there might be something else you're not being told about the story, as per the media likes to do. So I would take that as simply another incident of some assholes doing asshole things.

See above, that's literally what happened. Though if you want another motive, basically right now, after a recent event of a bunch of protesters forcing a resignation, every college wanted to try it... so they ran around looking for reasons to protest no matter how trivial.

Also, you know I wouldn't call to be permabanned and whatnot, do you know why that is? Because I prefer to drag you through the mud with my words. I could call for you to be permabanned,

You'd be laughed out of moderation too...
and you're doing a poor job of mudslinging just saying.

Though if you hold that position towards people slinging mud back then I'll respect you for it. Because I attempt to hold that policy too. Some people on this board are hypocrites about it.

I could tell you in TG "let's meet in Boston on January 19th at 3pm motherfucker", and I might get my way, but you have one advantage: I'm not the kind of person looking out for blood. I am not other people.

Don't pretend to be an internet tough guy.

You have to be aware of the fact that, while you can come to NSG and talk all kinds of bullshit,

That applies to everyone. Including chronic shitposters.

you can't do the same in the real world out there because your opinion can get you killed.

I'm borderline suicidal, I don't give a fuck.

Yes, but if you're a politically correct asshole it means you're not a racist, homophobic, sexist asshole which, at the very least, is something. And before you say "b-b-but you can be those things AND be politically correct", no, you can't.

Micro Aggression theory says otherwise.

And even if you discount that theory as people looking for excuses to feel victimized there's also concern trolling.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

See, the way we did things back in the old days was you either got shot or you got your ass kicked for being stupid. They didn't have to make protests because back then you'd be less likely to say stupid shit again if you got your ass kicked.

In the good old days all these protesters would have their ass kicked because they're the ones being stupid.

So I suppose getting shot at was better than expressing outrage with your words? And before you say "oh this never happened in the UK that I know of" I know, but it happened here in the United States, it still happens.

Yeah like that Black guy who shot those reporters on live TV under the claim that they oppressed him with 'micro aggression's when he worked there... when he was just a paranoid lunatic who saw racism in absolutely everything.

So if you think the times have changed you're wrong, they haven't. You're just looking at people using their voices more, but that doesn't mean times have changed at all. Not one bit has changed from the 50s until now, and the tactics used by others are very light nowadays by millennials as compared to older people who grew up under a different environment.

The older generation wouldn't protest because this situation would have never happened in the first place. People these days are addicted to being offended.

You have cited instances that, to me, simply look like some people got rubbed the wrong way with how the teachers were approaching the subject. That has nothing to do with "political correctness" but rather with the general flow of life: that you simply will find stupid people, and assholes in your life.

Except do you know why they got rubbed the wrong way?

The students wanted the professor to ban Halloween costumes that could be seen as "cultural appropriation" and the professor basically wrote an email saying we're supposed to be able to handle seeing things that offend us and that it's not their place to do that.

Let's also note that on NSG complaining "Cultural Appropriation" is seen as a stupid cause.

Also, it might just be me, but there might be something else you're not being told about the story, as per the media likes to do. So I would take that as simply another incident of some assholes doing asshole things.

See above, that's literally what happened. Though if you want another motive, basically right now, after a recent event of a bunch of protesters forcing a resignation, every college wanted to try it... so they ran around looking for reasons to protest no matter how trivial.

Also, you know I wouldn't call to be permabanned and whatnot, do you know why that is? Because I prefer to drag you through the mud with my words. I could call for you to be permabanned,

You'd be laughed out of moderation too...
and you're doing a poor job of mudslinging just saying.

Though if you hold that position towards people slinging mud back then I'll respect you for it. Because I attempt to hold that policy too. Some people on this board are hypocrites about it.

I could tell you in TG "let's meet in Boston on January 19th at 3pm motherfucker", and I might get my way, but you have one advantage: I'm not the kind of person looking out for blood. I am not other people.

Don't pretend to be an internet tough guy.

You have to be aware of the fact that, while you can come to NSG and talk all kinds of bullshit,

That applies to everyone. Including chronic shitposters.

you can't do the same in the real world out there because your opinion can get you killed.

I'm borderline suicidal, I don't give a fuck.

Yes, but if you're a politically correct asshole it means you're not a racist, homophobic, sexist asshole which, at the very least, is something. And before you say "b-b-but you can be those things AND be politically correct", no, you can't.

Micro Aggression theory says otherwise.

And even if you discount that theory as people looking for excuses to feel victimized there's also concern trolling.

People back in the days also got offended, you know what changed? People use their words more often now since violence is seen as bad and evil and shit. You only think people are addicted these days because people are more vocal since violence is seen as bad. Before this it wasn't, so I don't know what the fuck are you talking about when you say "Oh people are easily offended these days". Give me a break, everyone gets offended, it just depends what they get offended and up in their shit about, but we have successfully transitioned from kicking each other's asses and shooting each other to using our words. So no, things haven't changed at all. You just think they have.

Also, no, I am not trying to say I am an Internet Tough Guy. I am saying that because I'm not an ITG I don't TG you going "let's go get together so I can kick your ass motherfucker", two different things. I don't have to prove you shit, if you think I'm an asshole I don't give a fuck, that's your right, just don't expect me to think that you're right. I mean, clearly, if you were replying to my actual posts instead of breakdowns of my posts you might have been able to notice that.

Nah, I am not trying to mudsling anyone with my posts right now in here. I am making a point. You think you are making a point, but in reality you're just puffing and huffing. I was about to not reply to you because you split the quotes, and I fucking hate that shit, but I am doing it out of common courtesy. I can hold my own with people talking shit, to be honest, but I do report people who skip some levels (because we are supposed to follow the rules regardless of what our argument has escalated to). If this was a less moderated forum then yea, we could get at each other and not worry about it. But there are rules.

[Earth c-137 (Ancient)]

Yes, but if you're a politically correct asshole it means you're not a racist, homophobic, sexist asshole which, at the very least, is something. And before you say "b-b-but you can be those things AND be politically correct", no, you can't.

Most people complaining about political correctness seem like they wish it was again socially acceptable to call someone a Nigger Faggot and demand that Bitches suck someone's dick.

I mean, clearly that really isn't the OPs intention, but I don't really think his/her reasoning behind what politically correct means is sound in any way.

[The Lone Alliance]

[1]People back in the days also got offended, you know what changed? People use their words more often now since violence is seen as bad and evil and shit. You only think people are addicted these days because people are more vocal since violence is seen as bad.

[2]Before this it wasn't, so I don't know what the fuck are you talking about when you say "Oh people are easily offended these days". Give me a break, everyone gets offended, it just depends what they get offended and up in their shit about, but we have successfully transitioned from kicking each other's asses and shooting each other to using our words. So no, things haven't changed at all. You just think they have.

[3]Also, no, I am not trying to say I am an Internet Tough Guy. I am saying that because I'm not an ITG I don't TG you going "let's go get together so I can kick your ass motherfucker", two different things. I don't have to prove you shit, if you think I'm an asshole I don't give a fuck, that's your right, just don't expect me to think that you're right.

[4]Nah, I am not trying to mudsling anyone with my posts right now in here. I am making a point. You think you are making a point, but in reality you're just puffing and huffing.

[5]I was about to not reply to you because you split the quotes, and I fucking hate that shit, but I am doing it out of common courtesy.

[6]I can hold my own with people talking shit, to be honest, but I do report people who skip some levels (because we are supposed to follow the rules regardless of what our argument has escalated to).

I didn't know you don't like splitting quotes.

[1]No there's also a third option towards being offended by something, something that people did far more historically than violence, and that is to ignore it. Which, again, is what the Professor told those students and is why they started demanding the resignation. It's like the idea of ignoring it no longer exists as an option to people.
[2]Historically most cases of being offended didn't end in a killing spree but by sucking it up. Of course these days that's considered "Oppression" but these days the majority of such things come from trolls deliberately looking for a reaction, and yet people these days can't help but feed them.*
[3]Alright I think I got you now then. And I think everyone's an asshole until proven otherwise, including myself, and if everyone is an asshole then it's a pointless insult.
[4] And I think your post was dodging the point the whole time.
[5]Is this is a little easier then?
[6]Better than some people who like dancing on the line
*Like Trump.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

[1]People back in the days also got offended, you know what changed? People use their words more often now since violence is seen as bad and evil and shit. You only think people are addicted these days because people are more vocal since violence is seen as bad.

[2]Before this it wasn't, so I don't know what the fuck are you talking about when you say "Oh people are easily offended these days". Give me a break, everyone gets offended, it just depends what they get offended and up in their shit about, but we have successfully transitioned from kicking each other's asses and shooting each other to using our words. So no, things haven't changed at all. You just think they have.

[3]Also, no, I am not trying to say I am an Internet Tough Guy. I am saying that because I'm not an ITG I don't TG you going "let's go get together so I can kick your ass motherfucker", two different things. I don't have to prove you shit, if you think I'm an asshole I don't give a fuck, that's your right, just don't expect me to think that you're right.

[4]Nah, I am not trying to mudsling anyone with my posts right now in here. I am making a point. You think you are making a point, but in reality you're just puffing and huffing.

[5]I was about to not reply to you because you split the quotes, and I fucking hate that shit, but I am doing it out of common courtesy.

[6]I can hold my own with people talking shit, to be honest, but I do report people who skip some levels (because we are supposed to follow the rules regardless of what our argument has escalated to).

I didn't know you don't like splitting quotes.

[1]No there's also a third option towards being offended by something, something that people did far more historically than violence, and that is to ignore it. Which, again, is what the Professor told those students and is why they started demanding the resignation. It's like the idea of ignoring it no longer exists as an option to people.
[2]Historically most cases of being offended didn't end in a killing spree but by sucking it up. Of course these days that's considered "Oppression" but these days the majority of such things come from trolls deliberately looking for a reaction, and yet people these days can't help but feed them.*
[3]Alright I think I got you now then. And I think everyone's an asshole until proven otherwise, including myself, and if everyone is an asshole then it's a pointless insult.
[4] And I think your post was dodging the point the whole time.
[5]Is this is a little easier then?
[6]Better than some people who like dancing on the line
*Like Trump.

1) Right, but violence towards an opinion has existed, and this has only become less and less violent and more and more vocal is the point. It has become more prominent because people are now using their voices to be heard, not their fists. Sure, there's still a majority of people (like me and you) who suck it up. That's not the only course of action however as people have noticed that when you say nothing people tend to assume you're okay with it. People calling you out for being an asshole is just the product of people realizing nothing is done by "sucking it up". Ignoring an issue doesn't solve the problem, it just lets it remain there. The professor could have used the chance to actually voice their opinion about it, disagreeing, and just let the students know that they'll just have to agree to disagree. Telling a student to suck it up, specially at college level, is a big no-no. In context, you go tell someone to "suck it up" when they feel offended, see what happens.

2) Actually, a lot of cases of people ending up offended didn't end up by sucking it up. They ended up in a bar fight. To be fair to your point though, people who are just looking for a reaction were less cautious in how they did it because they had their health at stake.

4) It wasn't, it was addressing his points.

5) Yes, this is easier to engage on since we can discuss the issue without having to break the quote.

6) Thanks, I try my best to be fair, given the fact I am even more of an abrasive prick in other forums.

[MERIZoC]

As a non-American I have such a love for the subtle racism of the PC movement.

Take the term 'African American', a term that refers exclusively to black US citizens.

What on earth does an old and established term for Americans with full or partial African descent have to do with PC, or for that matter, racism?

There are white families in Africa that have been there longer than many slaves in the US, but if a white south African were to immigrate to the US they would be 'white' and not African American.

Well, given that white South Africans don't have too much African ancestry, I'd say you're looking for things to complain about. Can't say I'm too surprised, but it's pretty disappointing.

[Ugatoo]

As a non-American I have such a love for the subtle racism of the PC movement.

Take the term 'African American', a term that refers exclusively to black US citizens.

What on earth does an old and established term for Americans with full or partial African descent have to do with PC, or for that matter, racism?

There are white families in Africa that have been there longer than many slaves in the US, but if a white south African were to immigrate to the US they would be 'white' and not African American.

Well, given that white South Africans don't have too much African ancestry, I'd say you're looking for things to complain about. Can't say I'm too surprised, but it's pretty disappointing.

So white south africans aren't african?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

What on earth does an old and established term for Americans with full or partial African descent have to do with PC, or for that matter, racism?

Well, given that white South Africans don't have too much African ancestry, I'd say you're looking for things to complain about. Can't say I'm too surprised, but it's pretty disappointing.

So white south africans aren't african?

They are ethnically South African, but their ancestry dates back to the European colonization.