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Posted: **Thu Nov 26, 2015 9:48 am**

Havenburgh wrote:
GreatestBanks wrote:Trump actually has pretty good policy ideas.
Communism is the last stage of society (according to Marx at least)
First, according to Marx, is primitivism/tribal societies, then capitalism, then socialism or social democracy, then communism.

Agreed. A society who uses capitalism is in its toddler years, socialism is the teen years then communism is the mature years. Communism is best impletmented in a society that is in its prime, when humans have fully reached its potential, when we have fully used technolagy, and eliminated crime, hunger, poverty, and greed. Then when we dont need a government anymore, it dissolves into a society where everyone is happily equal. That is Communism.

That's for a different forum.

Posted: **Thu Nov 26, 2015 9:48 am**

Havenburgh wrote:
GreatestBanks wrote:Trump actually has pretty good policy ideas.
Communism is the last stage of society (according to Marx at least)
First, according to Marx, is primitivism/tribal societies, then capitalism, then socialism or social democracy, then communism.

Agreed. A society who uses capitalism is in its toddler years, socialism is the teen years then communism is the mature years. Communism is best impletmented in a society that is in its prime, when humans have fully reached its potential, when we have fully used technolagy, and eliminated crime, hunger, poverty, and greed. Then when we dont need a government anymore, it dissolves into a society where everyone is happily equal. That is Communism.

sioo basically the reason why communism did not work... is because we were not ready?

Posted: **Thu Nov 26, 2015 9:48 am**

Havenburgh wrote:
GreatestBanks wrote:That's for another time.

"For another time"
So he will invade Mexico. Cuz acccording to him the whole population is rapists and druggies

According to him, the majority of the illegal immigrants Mexico is sending are criminals.* Stop misquoting.

Posted: **Thu Nov 26, 2015 9:49 am**

GreatestBanks wrote:
Havenburgh wrote:Agreed. A society who uses capitalism is in its toddler years, socialism is the teen years then communism is the mature years. Communism is best impletmented in a society that is in its prime, when humans have fully reached its potential, when we have fully used technolagy, and eliminated crime, hunger, poverty, and greed. Then when we dont need a government anymore, it dissolves into a society where everyone is happily equal. That is Communism.

That's for a different forum.

Yeah let's get back to talking about American Oligarchy

Posted: **Thu Nov 26, 2015 9:49 am**

Ketora wrote:
Escanthea wrote:What was the trigger for this? Usually you post an article to some recent event that you think symbolizes the finality of this political transition when you post a topic like this.

Yeah, I am a little too late,
The state of our government is now irreversible, we probably won't ever go back to democracy

We had the power before, we can do it again. Bernie Sanders is a nice start, if we keep electing people like him. A huge problem is the media. A HUGE PROBLEM

Posted: **Thu Nov 26, 2015 9:50 am**

Ketora wrote:
Havenburgh wrote:Agreed. A society who uses capitalism is in its toddler years, socialism is the teen years then communism is the mature years. Communism is best impletmented in a society that is in its prime, when humans have fully reached its potential, when we have fully used technolagy, and eliminated crime, hunger, poverty, and greed. Then when we dont need a government anymore, it dissolves into a society where everyone is happily equal. That is Communism.

sioo basically the reason why communism did not work... is because we were not ready?

No we are not even close.

Ketora wrote:
GreatestBanks wrote:That's for a different forum.

Yeah let's get back to talking about American Oligarchy

Agreed

Posted: **Thu Nov 26, 2015 9:50 am**

Havenburgh wrote:
Ketora wrote:Yeah, I am a little too late,
The state of our government is now irreversible, we probably won't ever go back to democracy

We had the power before, we can do it again. Bernie Sanders is a nice start, if we keep electing people like him. A huge problem is the media. A HUGE PROBLEM

Media is biased, no doubt about that.
I'm hoping for Trump to get elected, his combination of good tax policies+anti corruption policies will be good for the country, in my opinion at least.

Posted: **Thu Nov 26, 2015 9:53 am**

GreatestBanks wrote:
Havenburgh wrote:We had the power before, we can do it again. Bernie Sanders is a nice start, if we keep electing people like him. A huge problem is the media. A HUGE PROBLEM

Media is biased, no doubt about that.
I'm hoping for Trump to get elected, his combination of good tax policies+anti corruption policies will be good for the country, in my opinion at least.

Trump is extremely racist, and if he is elected it will be an embarassment. He knows nothing about politics and doesnt have the proper expierance. Just him running proves America to be a democracy. And he needs to get a filter for what he says sometimes. The only good thing he brings to the table is his passion.

Posted: **Thu Nov 26, 2015 9:54 am**

GreatestBanks wrote:
Havenburgh wrote:We had the power before, we can do it again. Bernie Sanders is a nice start, if we keep electing people like him. A huge problem is the media. A HUGE PROBLEM

Media is biased, no doubt about that.
I'm hoping for Trump to get elected, his combination of good tax policies+anti corruption policies will be good for the country, in my opinion at least.

what if the oligarchic media has actually been making him look bad this whole time!

Posted: **Thu Nov 26, 2015 9:55 am**

Havenburgh wrote:
GreatestBanks wrote:Media is biased, no doubt about that.
I'm hoping for Trump to get elected, his combination of good tax policies+anti corruption policies will be good for the country, in my opinion at least.

Trump is extremely racist, and if he is elected it will be an embarassment. He knows nothing about politics and doesnt have the proper expierance. Just him running proves America to be a democracy. And he needs to get a filter for what he says sometimes. The only good thing he brings to the table is his passion.

Sanders is a Washington Insider, he's been in Congress since the 80s and hasn't had a real job in his life. All his life he has been using taxpayer dollars to give himself a $174,000 a year income. His socialist policies will destroy the country.
Now, let us continue what the forum title is about, whether or not America is an ''oligarchy''

Posted: **Thu Nov 26, 2015 9:55 am**

Ketora wrote:
GreatestBanks wrote:Media is biased, no doubt about that.
I'm hoping for Trump to get elected, his combination of good tax policies+anti corruption policies will be good for the country, in my opinion at least.

what if the oligarchic media has actually been making him look bad this whole time!

Whenever the media tries to make Trump or Sanders look bad, they rise in the polls.

Posted: **Thu Nov 26, 2015 9:56 am**

Ketora wrote:
GreatestBanks wrote:Media is biased, no doubt about that.
I'm hoping for Trump to get elected, his combination of good tax policies+anti corruption policies will be good for the country, in my opinion at least.

what if the oligarchic media has actually been making him look bad this whole time!

Im sorry your thinking of Bernie Sanders. Case in point, half the people in the country wont vote for him because he is a socialist. But when you ask what it means they have no idea

Posted: **Thu Nov 26, 2015 9:56 am**

GreatestBanks wrote:
Ketora wrote:
what if the oligarchic media has actually been making him look bad this whole time!

Whenever the media tries to make Trump or Sanders look bad, they rise in the polls.

now I'am confused.

Also can we also talk about what the oligarchy has done to American food?

Posted: **Thu Nov 26, 2015 9:56 am**

Funny, I was under the impression that it always was an oligarchy....back in the 1790's only the Landed Gentry(technically Adult White Male Property owners) could vote. Some have even called the installment of the current US constitution a coup d'etat or conspiracy.
Other Links to check that out!
Was the Constitutional Convention a Coup?
An argument attempting to refute the charge of a coup
A Voluntarist charge of a Constitutional Coup in 1787

Posted: **Thu Nov 26, 2015 9:57 am**

Ketora wrote:So... America is an oligarchy now
...heh... what do you guys think about our new system of government...

Oligarchy is a form of government which means (at least by modern day definition)
The economic elite have far much more political power than the majority, who has little to no power.
When we vote it only chooses which oligarch will take a certain place, the majority of the time the oligarchs only care what the economic elite think and not of the majority.

I'am justing asking if we Americans are going to be okay.

It always was, and that is what the Constitution intended.

Posted: **Thu Nov 26, 2015 9:57 am**

Havenburgh wrote:
Ketora wrote:
what if the oligarchic media has actually been making him look bad this whole time!

Im sorry your thinking of Bernie Sanders. Case in point, half the people in the country wont vote for him because he is a socialist. But when you ask what it means they have no idea

They try and make both Trump and Sanders look bad tbh. (For instance, editing answers to questions, asking retarded questions, etc) But it never works, both of them rise in the polls

Posted: **Thu Nov 26, 2015 9:57 am**

GreatestBanks wrote:
Ketora wrote:
what if the oligarchic media has actually been making him look bad this whole time!

Whenever the media tries to make Trump or Sanders look bad, they rise in the polls.

Yea because the people had enough and are slightly smart. They think "oh the government hates them! So they must be good!"

Posted: **Thu Nov 26, 2015 9:58 am**

greed and death wrote:
Ketora wrote:So... America is an oligarchy now
...heh... what do you guys think about our new system of government...

Oligarchy is a form of government which means (at least by modern day definition)
The economic elite have far much more political power than the majority, who has little to no power.
When we vote it only chooses which oligarch will take a certain place, the majority of the time the oligarchs only care what the economic elite think and not of the majority.

I'am justing asking if we Americans are going to be okay.

It always was, and that is what the Constitution intended.

That's kinda true. Constitution was made by the elite of the time, for the elite and parts of the middle class of the time.

Posted: **Thu Nov 26, 2015 9:58 am**

greed and death wrote:
Ketora wrote:So... America is an oligarchy now
...heh... what do you guys think about our new system of government...

Oligarchy is a form of government which means (at least by modern day definition)
The economic elite have far much more political power than the majority, who has little to no power.
When we vote it only chooses which oligarch will take a certain place, the majority of the time the oligarchs only care what the economic elite think and not of the majority.

I'am justing asking if we Americans are going to be okay.

It always was, and that is what the Constitution intended.

That's kind of... evil

Posted: **Thu Nov 26, 2015 9:59 am**

Havenburgh wrote:
Ketora wrote:Yeah, I am a little too late,
The state of our government is now irreversible, we probably won't ever go back to democracy

We had the power before, we can do it again. Bernie Sanders is a nice start, if we keep electing people like him. A huge problem is the media. A HUGE PROBLEM

Remind me, how is Bernie Sanders related to the thread?

Furthermore, the vast majority of US media is going berserk over Sanders. They can't get enough of him.

Posted: **Thu Nov 26, 2015 9:59 am**

Ketora wrote:
GreatestBanks wrote:Whenever the media tries to make Trump or Sanders look bad, they rise in the polls.

now I'am confused.

Also can we also talk about what the oligarchy has done to American food?

I eat home-made food and for special occasions, go to a Manhattan steakhouse. MY FOOD IS GREATTT. (btw, I'm extremely underweight and effectively a twig)

Posted: **Thu Nov 26, 2015 9:59 am**

Ketora wrote:
GreatestBanks wrote:Whenever the media tries to make Trump or Sanders look bad, they rise in the polls.

now I'am confused.

Also can we also talk about what the oligarchy has done to American food?

It's tastier. I don't know about you, but I like eating my bacon with twinkies.

Diabetes is for my future self to worry about.

Posted: **Thu Nov 26, 2015 9:59 am**

Arguably, it always has been. Almost the entirety of the Founding Fathers were independently wealthy and very well-connected. That's why the President of the United States (and originally the Senate) is elected by an Electoral College rather than by direct democracy: because the enlightened elite wanted to ensure it was only the enlightened elite took office.

Posted: **Thu Nov 26, 2015 9:59 am**

Liberty and Linguistics wrote:
Havenburgh wrote:We had the power before, we can do it again. Bernie Sanders is a nice start, if we keep electing people like him. A huge problem is the media. A HUGE PROBLEM

Remind me, how is Bernie Sanders related to the thread?

Furthermore, the vast majority of US media is going berserk over Sanders. They can't get enough of him.

Yes, please, back to oligarchy as our topic

Posted: **Thu Nov 26, 2015 10:00 am**

New system?
America's been an oligarchy for a long, long time.